The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 136 - Blu-ray Forum

Dailyan · 12-13-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouki

And a lot of people are either using TV speakers or, groan, a sound bar.

Quadrophonic sound for life:

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Girls With Guns · 12-13-2018, 11:40 PM

Awesome, dewd! Hey man, I still own me a Quadraphonic receiver, from way back in '74, man...

FeelsBDMan · 12-14-2018, 09:26 AM

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...5957/picture:0

Just for curiosity's sake I compared the Code Geass movie by Anime Limited UK to the Funimation release of R1, since the movie is 90% recycled TV scenes.

Initial impressions are the Funimation one looks like it has the correct gamma as the movie looks very washed out. Personal hypothesis is that the new scenes they drew for the movie uses different lighting and maybe they tinkered with the gamma or brightness but the Funimation looks significantly better and retains more detail. The new scenes are gorgeous though and I hope one day they remake the original with the new style/lighting/animation.

Movie clocks in at 29.9GB which seems pretty decent.

Naiera · 12-14-2018, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gouki

And a lot of people are either using TV speakers or, groan, a sound bar.

I'd rather use a soundbar than TV speakers though

chronoclast · 12-14-2018, 04:53 PM

Someone posted screenshots of Xabungle on Fandom Post and it looks like Maiden Japan were indeed given poorer quality masters than the R2 DVDs.

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professorwho · 12-14-2018, 04:57 PM

Big OOF

So, Sunrise really hates Maiden Japan, it seems...

Gouki · 12-14-2018, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

I'd rather use a soundbar than TV speakers though

That's like saying I'd rather get hit by a car than mauled by a donkey. Both are not great options.

Also

Glory to SDBD!

chronoclast · 12-14-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Big OOF

So, Sunrise really hates Maiden Japan, it seems...

I wonder what's going on there? Maiden Japan and Sentai both seem to have issues with Sunrise.

You'd think if they should hate anyone, it would be Funi with how poorly they've treated some of their titles like Bebop.

professorwho · 12-14-2018, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chronoclast

You'd think if they should hate anyone, it would be Funi with how poorly they've treated some of their titles like Bebop.

I get why they’re slow- they have an insanely huge back-catalog, but I just don’t get why they’re giving Sentai and Maiden Japan the short end of the stick, either. FUNi destroyed their beautiful Bebop remaster (they literally didn’t destroy it, but they destroyed their own PQ), and while they did a good job with Escaflowne, they haven’t done much with their back catalog, nor have they done a great job.

professorwho · 12-14-2018, 06:14 PM

I asked Justin about Xabungle, and said 2 things.

1. They are analog masters. (Maybe Laserdisc?)
2.

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"Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence." Someone likely didn't know there were two sets of masters and sent the wrong ones, Sentai didn't buy the R2J to check. I'd bet money that's what happened.

Source

And he said that licensor relations pretty much never, ever effect PQ.

Gouki · 12-14-2018, 06:26 PM

Or they're not paying the big bucks for the good transfers, or a number of other things may have happened. We really don't know what happened (and likely will never know), and it could very well be Japan keeping the good stuff for themselves. But this is the new age of companies saying "Eh, good enough" and releasing SDBD out into the wild, either not bothering with the BD rights (Ideon), or just pushing out SD. It's not unheard of Murican companies making HD remasters (bad or good) If they can release freaking Baldios on BD, why not Godmars?

Why?

Money.

I just don't see pointing fingers when we really don't know what the circumstances are. I'm too old to believe that these companies have our best interests in mind. (Ideon)

And let's not forget that most of these companies are trying to put out a product for the least amount of money possible.

Gouki · 12-14-2018, 06:29 PM

I find it very interesting he thinks Bebop is fine.

professorwho · 12-14-2018, 06:38 PM

It very well could be. But, as you said, we’ll never know.

arboryhill · 12-14-2018, 06:49 PM

Unfortunate about Xabungle.

The biggest problem with Xabungle and Ideon could also possibly be that in Japan were both released in Japan on video by Victor Entertainment not Sunrise's video division Emotion/Bandai Visual.
And simply just got sent the wrong/old masters or Sentai didn't ask you got better?

Xabungle Japanese DVDs although they look pretty good I don't think they were even telecine remasters.

Sunrise isn't perfect themselves a lot of their shows were released as old analog,laserdisc, betamax whatever masters in Japan on DVD.

Gundam ZZ,G,W,X,0080,0083 were all put out on DVD with old masters.
Boxsets costing $200-$300 and for some series it was 3 boxsets.

Later W and 0083 got telecine remasters.

V Gundam DVD boxset which cost $800 had worse video quality than the original Laserdiscs.

All the Yuusha Brave series was released on DVD with old analog masters.

And Dunbine and L-Gaim both had old analog master dvds and they cost a ton too.

Votoms TV series did get a telecine remaster in Japan perhaps everyone should ask Maiden Japan aka Sentai if they got those masters?

Although the OVA Mellowlink and Shining Heresy masters were supposedly destroyed in a flood or fire. So Laserdisc quality is as good as they will ever have.

Gouki · 12-14-2018, 07:04 PM

And a lot of fans over here do not understand the Japanese home video model, which has not changed since the LD days. Aniplex of America adopted said model, and just stroll over to just about any AOA review section at trs to see the disconnect.

Like shown above, a lot of TV series get split up into multiple sets costing hundreds of dollars, while the Murican model is basically everything for $60. I'm guessing the budget for theses releases is not comparable.

bsend · 12-14-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Source

Hanlon's Razor

Ccharmanderk · 12-15-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by arboryhill

All the Yuusha Brave series was released on DVD with old analog masters.

As well, the only Brave series to have a proper Blu-ray remaster is GaoGaiGar and its sequel anime. If you wanted to watch an older Brave series (say, Exkaiser or Might Gaine), you have to make due with the older analog masters.

jsevakis · 12-18-2018, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouki

My issue with this is if it is a narrative, or you have something from him saying "We were told by our Japanese overlords that this must be in 16:9, and 4:3 must not also be included or our families will be kidnapped and forced to watch dubbed anime." All I've seen him post is that some producer said widescreen is how it was meant to be seen. (In theaters? Then sure.) Then he doubles down and says that the "Composition and blocking was set up for the extra to be cropped" Lol, no dude (Justin). I mean, if he came out and said "This is the only way we were allowed to release this.", fine, I'd have way less of an issue with it.

Dude, I DO lurk here occasionally. No need to be so caustic.

The original producer of Robot Carnival, who is the owner of the film and THE authority on the film (because he MADE it) told us widescreen. The R2 Japanese DVD from 2001, the only home video release since Streamline's 1991 transfer, is also in widescreen (and is even letterboxed 4x3). Discotek gave him money to make an HD transfer. He brought it to Imagica. Imagica did a new 2K scan with color correction and restoration (probably some automated dust/scratch removal or something -- this is all quite standard due to film fading) under his supervision. Imagica gave us a widescreen 1080p ProRes HQ 4:2:2 master, which is what made it onto the disc. While film scanners do scan the entire negative, the cropping was done at restoration stage. No other finished HD version of the film exists.

Ccharmanderk · 12-18-2018, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jsevakis

Dude, I DO lurk here occasionally. No need to be so caustic.

The original producer of Robot Carnival, who is the owner of the film and THE authority on the film (because he MADE it) told us widescreen. The R2 Japanese DVD from 2001, the only home video release since Streamline's 1991 transfer, is also in widescreen (and is even letterboxed 4x3). Discotek gave him money to make an HD transfer. He brought it to Imagica. Imagica did a new 2K scan with color correction and restoration (probably some automated dust/scratch removal or something -- this is all quite standard due to film fading) under his supervision. Imagica gave us a widescreen 1080p ProRes HQ 4:2:2 master, which is what made it onto the disc. While film scanners do scan the entire negative, the cropping was done at restoration stage. No other finished HD version of the film exists.

Well dang, that's a lot of info I never figured we'd get. Much appreciated. Always nice seeing people working in the industry willing to talk and share info on the behind-the-scenes stuff.

Gouki · 12-18-2018, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsevakis

Dude, I DO lurk here occasionally. No need to be so caustic.

The original producer of Robot Carnival, who is the owner of the film and THE authority on the film (because he MADE it) told us widescreen. The R2 Japanese DVD from 2001, the only home video release since Streamline's 1991 transfer, is also in widescreen (and is even letterboxed 4x3). Discotek gave him money to make an HD transfer. He brought it to Imagica. Imagica did a new 2K scan with color correction and restoration (probably some automated dust/scratch removal or something -- this is all quite standard due to film fading) under his supervision. Imagica gave us a widescreen 1080p ProRes HQ 4:2:2 master, which is what made it onto the disc. While film scanners do scan the entire negative, the cropping was done at restoration stage. No other finished HD version of the film exists.

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Originally Posted by Gouki View Post
My issue with this is if it is a narrative, or you have something from him saying "We were told by our Japanese overlords that this must be in 16:9, and 4:3 must not also be included or our families will be kidnapped and forced to watch dubbed anime." All I've seen him post is that some producer said widescreen is how it was meant to be seen. (In theaters? Then sure.) Then he doubles down and says that the "Composition and blocking was set up for the extra to be cropped" Lol, no dude (Justin). I mean, if he came out and said "This is the only way we were allowed to release this.", fine, I'd have way less of an issue with it.

Well, like I said in the above quote, if the reason given was "This is the only way we were allowed to release this.", then fine, you were forced to do it. It's still 4:3 content released as cropped 16:9, but that's the way it is, and it's extremely unlikely we get a corrected release.

My main issue was the comment on how composition and blocking was set for the extra to be cropped. This sounds technically fine unless you look at the original release/cels:

I may be off by a few frames.

I get it, you were forced to release it wrong, not your fault. It's just a shame this keeps happening.

12-13-2018, 11:40 PM	#2702
Girls With Guns Blu-ray Baron Member since:May 2014 Location:Amish Farm Country, PA Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray collection:469 DVD collection:146 Trading Score:26	Awesome, dewd! Hey man, I still own me a Quadraphonic receiver, from way back in '74, man... Last edited by Girls With Guns; 12-13-2018 at 11:47 PM.

12-14-2018, 06:49 PM	#2714
arboryhill Member Member since:Feb 2016	Unfortunate about Xabungle. The biggest problem with Xabungle and Ideon could also possibly be that in Japan were both released in Japan on video by Victor Entertainment not Sunrise's video division Emotion/Bandai Visual. And simply just got sent the wrong/old masters or Sentai didn't ask you got better? Xabungle Japanese DVDs although they look pretty good I don't think they were even telecine remasters. Sunrise isn't perfect themselves a lot of their shows were released as old analog,laserdisc, betamax whatever masters in Japan on DVD. Gundam ZZ,G,W,X,0080,0083 were all put out on DVD with old masters. Boxsets costing $200-$300 and for some series it was 3 boxsets. Later W and 0083 got telecine remasters. V Gundam DVD boxset which cost $800 had worse video quality than the original Laserdiscs. All the Yuusha Brave series was released on DVD with old analog masters. And Dunbine and L-Gaim both had old analog master dvds and they cost a ton too. Votoms TV series did get a telecine remaster in Japan perhaps everyone should ask Maiden Japan aka Sentai if they got those masters? Although the OVA Mellowlink and Shining Heresy masters were supposedly destroyed in a flood or fire. So Laserdisc quality is as good as they will ever have. Last edited by arboryhill; 12-14-2018 at 06:58 PM.

12-14-2018, 09:26 AM	#2703
FeelsBDMan Member Member since:Feb 2017	http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...5957/picture:0 Just for curiosity's sake I compared the Code Geass movie by Anime Limited UK to the Funimation release of R1, since the movie is 90% recycled TV scenes. Initial impressions are the Funimation one looks like it has the correct gamma as the movie looks very washed out. Personal hypothesis is that the new scenes they drew for the movie uses different lighting and maybe they tinkered with the gamma or brightness but the Funimation looks significantly better and retains more detail. The new scenes are gorgeous though and I hope one day they remake the original with the new style/lighting/animation. Movie clocks in at 29.9GB which seems pretty decent.

12-14-2018, 04:57 PM	#2706
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Big OOF So, Sunrise really hates Maiden Japan, it seems...

12-14-2018, 06:26 PM	#2711
Gouki Special Member Member since:Apr 2010 Trading Score:5	Or they're not paying the big bucks for the good transfers, or a number of other things may have happened. We really don't know what happened (and likely will never know), and it could very well be Japan keeping the good stuff for themselves. But this is the new age of companies saying "Eh, good enough" and releasing SDBD out into the wild, either not bothering with the BD rights (Ideon), or just pushing out SD. It's not unheard of Murican companies making HD remasters (bad or good) If they can release freaking Baldios on BD, why not Godmars? Why? Money. I just don't see pointing fingers when we really don't know what the circumstances are. I'm too old to believe that these companies have our best interests in mind. (Ideon) And let's not forget that most of these companies are trying to put out a product for the least amount of money possible.

12-14-2018, 06:29 PM	#2712
Gouki Special Member Member since:Apr 2010 Trading Score:5	I find it very interesting he thinks Bebop is fine.

12-14-2018, 06:38 PM	#2713
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	It very well could be. But, as you said, we’ll never know.

12-14-2018, 07:04 PM	#2715
Gouki Special Member Member since:Apr 2010 Trading Score:5	And a lot of fans over here do not understand the Japanese home video model, which has not changed since the LD days. Aniplex of America adopted said model, and just stroll over to just about any AOA review section at trs to see the disconnect. Like shown above, a lot of TV series get split up into multiple sets costing hundreds of dollars, while the Murican model is basically everything for $60. I'm guessing the budget for theses releases is not comparable.

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