The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 163 - Blu-ray Forum

professorwho · 03-01-2019, 07:18 PM

I also bought LOTGH, but in its case, the JP masters are 30i because the sh*tty re-animated scenes are 30i, and they encoded it all at 30i for some reason- all of it, the Japanese source, that is.

Sentai and Maiden JP can do good work in a progressive source, but interlaced? Yeah. They could use some help.

slerch666 · 03-01-2019, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

I also bought LOTGH, but in its case, the JP masters are 30i because the sh*tty re-animated scenes are 30i, and they encoded it all at 30i for some reason- all of it, the Japanese source, that is.

Sentai and Maiden JP can do good work in a progressive source, but interlaced? Yeah. They could use some help.

Yeah, I was aware of the 30i source on LotGH as I have 2 of the Japanese releases. The difference being they don't have built-in frame errors like the Sentai release or I missed it on my frame by frame look.

STILL, I am glad to have it and that it received an actual English language release. Even without the name cards for locations and people.

And the answer I got back from Maiden/Sentai is basically "this is as good as it gets." We'll never know if it is a source issue or Sentai/Maiden. Given the other evidence, I lean towards Sentai/Maiden.

NLScavenger · 03-01-2019, 07:30 PM

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time - Manga UK / Selecta Vision BD

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Bitrate viewer report:

AVG: 20998 kbps | MAX: 48061 kbps

BDInfo report:

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Cowboy Bebop - Dybex BD vs Funimation BD

Watched every episode. The PQ is fantastic. Sympathy for the Devil & Black Dog Serenade, imo the worst looking episodes on the Funi BD, looked excellent on the Dybex BD. I could finally sit back and relax instead of having to press pause each time the Funi BD ruined my suspension of disbelief.

My only nitpick is this mistake in the end credits of every episode:

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For those who haven't figured out the mistake:

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chronoclast · 03-01-2019, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by slerch666

I just want to follow up on VOTOMS.

They encoded the video... at 30 fps. The original, as others here have stated given the age of the series, should be 100% 24 fps.

The errors are actually more widescpread than I had initially thought and on viewing, you can see stair stepping in some of the lines because of how badly they botched this. It's bad. Sad part is, in terms of color and clarity, this is the best it has ever looked. But I almost certainly want to go back to the composite master CPM release to avoid the 24 to 30 fps errors.

Funny thing is, you know the Sentai white credit/black background credit crawl? It suffers the exact same issue and looks completely terrible on the SD on BD VOTOMS release.

I will email them again. Not sure how they could botch this so badly.

The credit scroll having the same issue suggests to me that it's likely an encode problem.

I'm wondering if this could be an incorrect flagging issue. I assume 480i on BD is the same as DVD where it has flags that tells the de-interlacer whether the material is field or frame. I recall some Geneon DVDs years ago were encoded with incorrect flags which would cause similar ghosting and aliasing.

Did Maiden Japan use AVC or MPEG-2 for Votoms?

Clark Kent · 03-01-2019, 09:41 PM

Solid effort by Shout for Liz and the Blue Bird. I believe Pony Canyon did the Japanese BD.

Lossy screenshots:

http://doblu.com/2019/03/01/liz-and-...lu-ray-review/

professorwho · 03-01-2019, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Solid effort by Shout for Liz and the Blue Bird. I believe Pony Canyon did the Japanese BD.

Lossy screenshots:

http://doblu.com/2019/03/01/liz-and-...lu-ray-review/

Yes. Pony Canyon did the JP BD, which averages 29.84 mbps. That’s low for a JP BD because for some reason PonyCan decided to make all the commentary tracks lossless DTS instead of lossy. Audio is LPCM 5.1 at 24-bit, which still allows for a very high Bitrate, but with the lossless commentaries, it’s lower than normal. Still, the Japanese encode is very good with artifacts being nearly non-existent.

Though I have to say, I am disappointed Shout didn’t use a BD-50. I don’t have the stats, but if they’re good enough- and with better quality screen caps- then it may be a good alternative to the JP BD.

BoscoTheMan82 · 03-01-2019, 11:12 PM

Looked at Xabungle which has the same issues and its not a flagging issue, its completely an encoding issue. They tried to encode it at 30i and failed, Discotek SD Blu-ray's are encoded at 24p and use 3:2 pulldown.

Hek_qwerr · 03-02-2019, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

The Girl Who Leapt Through Time - Manga UK / Selecta Vision BD

Screenshots

Bitrate viewer report:

AVG: 20998 kbps | MAX: 48061 kbps

BDInfo report:

[Show spoiler]

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Watched every episode. The PQ is fantastic. Sympathy for the Devil & Black Dog Serenade, imo the worst looking episodes on the Funi BD, looked excellent on the Dybex BD. I could finally sit back and relax instead of having to press pause each time the Funi BD ruined my suspension of disbelief.

My only nitpick is this mistake in the end credits of every episode:

[Show spoiler]

For those who haven't figured out the mistake:

[Show spoiler]

did you also cringe when you noticed both releases are missing about 30 seconds of the begining of episode 5?

professorwho · 03-02-2019, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hek_qwerr

did you also cringe when you noticed both releases are missing about 30 seconds of the begining of episode 5?

It’s not a big issue. The footage lost wasn’t that important. You seem to be making a big deal out of it lately- I’d get over it. It’s not a huge loss.

svenge · 03-02-2019, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

My only nitpick is this mistake in the end credits of every episode:

[Show spoiler]

For those who haven't figured out the mistake:

[Show spoiler]

There's a second mistake: how Edward's name is written. You don't add "st", "nd", "rd", or "th" to roman numerals that indicate generations. It should be written as "Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV" (with "IV" being pronounced "the fourth" when spoken).

This is in line with the original Japanese "エドワード・ウォン・ハウ・ペペル・チブルスキー4世", with "4世" (pronounced "yonsei") representing the generation.

chronoclast · 03-02-2019, 02:13 AM

Does anyone here have any of the other SD-BDs from Sentai/Maiden Japan that have been released so far; Kino's Journey, Hataraki-Man, Human Crossing, Princess Resurrection, or Rocket Girls?

I'm just wanting to know if the encoding problems of Votoms and Xabungle extend to their other SD-BDs.

NLScavenger · 03-02-2019, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hek_qwerr

did you also cringe when you noticed both releases are missing about 30 seconds of the begining of episode 5?

I totally forgot that there was an establishing shot at the beginning.

I'm not a fan of revisionism and I would preferably watch the original version most of the time, but I can't say that I'm bothered by any of the changes in the Cowboy Bebop Remix version.

None of the changes stick out like a sore thumb to me, unlike the Star Wars SE or any surround remix with anachronistic foley work.

dannphou · 03-02-2019, 12:04 PM

Anyone know the specs of the Code Geass Movie Trilogy that was recently just released?

NLScavenger · 03-02-2019, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dannphou

Anyone know the specs of the Code Geass Movie Trilogy that was recently just released?

The steelbook is on its way, but it may still take a week or 2 before it arrives here. I'll post screenshots and specs if no one has posted them by then.

pikagreg · 03-02-2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dannphou

Anyone know the specs of the Code Geass Movie Trilogy that was recently just released?

I am going through mine right now and will post some stuff in a bit.

pikagreg · 03-02-2019, 03:23 PM

Disc Title: CodeGeass_Movie1
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 0 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps) (The Audio and subs are labaled as English but are in Japanese)

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slerch666 · 03-03-2019, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chronoclast

did maiden japan use avc or mpeg-2 for votoms?

avc

slerch666 · 03-03-2019, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chronoclast

Does anyone here have any of the other SD-BDs from Sentai/Maiden Japan that have been released so far; Kino's Journey, Hataraki-Man, Human Crossing, Princess Resurrection, or Rocket Girls?

I'm just wanting to know if the encoding problems of Votoms and Xabungle extend to their other SD-BDs.

I have Human Crossing. I will look into it tomorrow. Based on their SD "capability" on display in Xabungle and VOTOMS, I will say it is likely just as borked.

ANYONE else willing to hit up Sentai's Tech Support? I don't think I can get them to change anything single-handedly.

chronoclast · 03-03-2019, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slerch666

I have Human Crossing. I will look into it tomorrow. Based on their SD "capability" on display in Xabungle and VOTOMS, I will say it is likely just as borked.

ANYONE else willing to hit up Sentai's Tech Support? I don't think I can get them to change anything single-handedly.

Thank you. I'll send an email to them after you post about Human Crossing that way there's more evidence if that one is also messed up or not.

Naiera · 03-03-2019, 08:03 PM

In case some of y'all saw my now-deleted post from earlier and thought it was weird; slerch666 and I are old friends, and I was just razzing him

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pikagreg Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2014 Location:Southern California Trading Score:13	Disc Title: CodeGeass_Movie1 Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 0 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps) (The Audio and subs are labaled as English but are in Japanese) Screenshots [Show spoiler] [Show spoiler] [Show spoiler] [Show spoiler] [Show spoiler] [Show spoiler] [Show spoiler]

03-01-2019, 07:18 PM	#3241
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	I also bought LOTGH, but in its case, the JP masters are 30i because the sh*tty re-animated scenes are 30i, and they encoded it all at 30i for some reason- all of it, the Japanese source, that is. Sentai and Maiden JP can do good work in a progressive source, but interlaced? Yeah. They could use some help.

03-01-2019, 09:41 PM	#3245
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	Solid effort by Shout for Liz and the Blue Bird. I believe Pony Canyon did the Japanese BD. Lossy screenshots: http://doblu.com/2019/03/01/liz-and-...lu-ray-review/

03-01-2019, 11:12 PM	#3247
BoscoTheMan82 Active Member Member since:Feb 2019 Location:North Dakota Blu-ray collection:655 DVD collection:464 Trading Score:1	Looked at Xabungle which has the same issues and its not a flagging issue, its completely an encoding issue. They tried to encode it at 30i and failed, Discotek SD Blu-ray's are encoded at 24p and use 3:2 pulldown.

03-02-2019, 02:13 AM	#3251
chronoclast Special Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Trading Score:1	Does anyone here have any of the other SD-BDs from Sentai/Maiden Japan that have been released so far; Kino's Journey, Hataraki-Man, Human Crossing, Princess Resurrection, or Rocket Girls? I'm just wanting to know if the encoding problems of Votoms and Xabungle extend to their other SD-BDs.

03-02-2019, 12:04 PM	#3253
dannphou Active Member Member since:Feb 2015 Location:Rochester NY Trading Score:48	Anyone know the specs of the Code Geass Movie Trilogy that was recently just released?

03-03-2019, 08:03 PM	#3260
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	In case some of y'all saw my now-deleted post from earlier and thought it was weird; slerch666 and I are old friends, and I was just razzing him

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