The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 169 - Blu-ray Forum

NLScavenger · 03-13-2019, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Huh. The UK BD has better compression, but is brighter. FUNi retains the correct brightness, but the encoding clearly isn't as good. I guess they used the exact same settings as usual but let the bitrate go way higher (34.147 mbps). In this case, I'd prefer the UK BD, as the brightness thing doesn't stand out unless side by side (though the increased amount of banding does, though the UK compressionist has skirted around that.)

Yeah. IMO AL messed up by not releasing a trilogy set. Not gonna buy 3 LE's when I can get a much cheaper trilogy set.

I guess AL will use the Funi master for the remaining movies.

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And as usual Funimation has replaced the Japanese credits in the opening:

JP opening

Funimation opening

At least they tried.

professorwho · 03-13-2019, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

At least they tried.

I thought it was kinda lazy, but oh well...

Also, I ended up replicating a few of your shots of Heaven's Feel with the Dynit BD. They aren't frame perfect, but it's close enough, I guess.

Aniplex

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Dynit

Aniplex

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Dynit

Aniplex

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Dynit

The banding in the Aniplex release is also in the Dynit release. mp3dom said he couldn't de-band everything, and this is clear. Still, it matches Aniplex, so no points lost. If he'd like, could you (mp3dom) mention any bits where the debanding is most obvious? If you can remember off hand.

It's basically the same as Aniplex but with some debanded bits. Overall, it's worth picking up due to the matched JP BD timing.

Footlong Shoe · 03-13-2019, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Funimation opening
JIBUN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO00000000000000000 00000000ooooooooooo - YouTube

Is there a little too much bass in the sound mixing or is this just the way the movie is supposed to be? I thought my speakers were set up weird when I watched the Blu-ray but this video's making me think otherwise. I'm particularly not used to the opening having this much bass, even when I listen to the actual song on iTunes.

professorwho · 03-13-2019, 10:37 PM

One more thing, I re-ripped the film as an MKV this time, and it showed the bitrate as higher than when as an M2TS file. So, I altered the original post and will change the database to reflect it. Very weird...

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NLScavenger · 03-13-2019, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Footlong Shoe

Is there a little too much bass in the sound mixing or is this just the way the movie is supposed to be? I thought my speakers were set up weird when I watched the Blu-ray but this video's making me think otherwise. I'm particularly not used to the opening having this much bass, even when I listen to the actual song on iTunes.

I think it's a deliberate mixing decision.

Found a higher quality Youtube vid of JP opening and the bass also has a prominent presence

The Japanese 2.0 mix in the Funimation TV series set doesn't have the bass boost. Haven't checked the 5.1 mix yet, but it's late now.

NLScavenger · 03-13-2019, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

One more thing, I re-ripped the film as an MKV this time, and it showed the bitrate as higher than when as an M2TS file. So, I altered the original post and will change the database to reflect it. Very weird...

[Show spoiler]

You still got the previous graph?

professorwho · 03-13-2019, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

You still got the previous graph?

Yup.

[Show spoiler]

professorwho · 03-13-2019, 11:13 PM

Never mind, I noticed why. I'll revert it back.

mp3dom · 03-13-2019, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

If he'd like, could you (mp3dom) mention any bits where the debanding is most obvious? If you can remember off hand.
It's basically the same as Aniplex but with some debanded bits. Overall, it's worth picking up due to the matched JP BD timing.

About 100 cuts were touched, and compression efficiency was improved.
One of the hardest scene is at ~18:56 with the red flashing light (not completely fixed because there are also lots of details into the sky and the banding is "temporal" which makes it the hardest to fix).
Some remarkable differences are at ~22:13 (classroom door opening with sunset), ~25:19, 30:01, 1:16:30 (generally lots of cuts into the Lancer vs True Assassin scene), 1:21:33 (If I remember correctly, this should have also better compression efficiency), 1:28:28 (red strings of the Shadow are lowpass filtered on JP, not on IT), 1:28:33, 1:45:01 and so on...
As I said, there are about 100 cuts fixed/enhanced... not all involve the whole frame. Most of them involve only a part of it (even small) because "keeping the details" takes the priority.

The third shot doesn't contain banding, the second one contains it a bit, but I've decided to not touch it due to the wall pattern that would got lost. Other cuts with the walls were fixed or enhanced a bit without removing details.

professorwho · 03-14-2019, 12:03 AM

Thank you very much! I'll look for them when I re-watch the film later this evening.

Footlong Shoe · 03-14-2019, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

The Japanese 2.0 mix in the Funimation TV series set doesn't have the bass boost. Haven't checked the 5.1 mix yet, but it's late now.

I'm used to listening to the 2.0 mix, so I checked the 5.1 mix just now. The bass still wasn't as heavy as in the movie. Weird change but it's not something that bothers me that much as long as that's how it's intended to be.

Ajc228 · 03-14-2019, 02:00 AM

Can anyone attest to the quality of the Funimation bluray release of Casshern: Sins? I’m sure it’s not great because it’s Funimation but it might also be one of those early digipaint shows.

Ccharmanderk · 03-14-2019, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ajc228

Can anyone attest to the quality of the Funimation bluray release of Casshern: Sins? I’m sure it’s not great because it’s Funimation but it might also be one of those early digipaint shows.

I have the S.A.V.E. reissue, and it seemed pretty solid from what I recall. Can't bring it out to check now since its in storage, though. I think I recall an odd shot in an early episode having a random spike of banding, though.

Sins is also not an early digipaint production, beginning broadcast in late 2008. It aired around the time HD became the norm for anime production.

BlaizeV · 03-14-2019, 01:27 PM

I would like to add the Shin Tetsujin 28 Blu Ray from Discotek to my collection later this year. Just wondering how nice the Blu Ray is? Does anyone have it here?

Ajc228 · 03-14-2019, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ccharmanderk

I have the S.A.V.E. reissue, and it seemed pretty solid from what I recall. Can't bring it out to check now since its in storage, though. I think I recall an odd shot in an early episode having a random spike of banding, though.

Sins is also not an early digipaint production, beginning broadcast in late 2008. It aired around the time HD became the norm for anime production.

Banding was my main concern. Visually it’s a really dark show so I was worried it didn’t get a good encode. Thank you though.

Robbl · 03-14-2019, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

I thought it was kinda lazy, but oh well...

Also, I ended up replicating a few of your shots of Heaven's Feel with the Dynit BD. They aren't frame perfect, but it's close enough, I guess.

The banding in the Aniplex release is also in the Dynit release. mp3dom said he couldn't de-band everything, and this is clear. Still, it matches Aniplex, so no points lost. If he'd like, could you (mp3dom) mention any bits where the debanding is most obvious? If you can remember off hand.

It's basically the same as Aniplex but with some debanded bits. Overall, it's worth picking up due to the matched JP BD timing.

For the love of god, use slowpics for comparisons.

professorwho · 03-14-2019, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbl

For the love of god, use slowpics for comparisons.

For the love of god, don’t repeat the same comment each time.

professorwho · 03-15-2019, 02:20 AM

I saw Fate/Heaven’s Feel II in the theater and while it was great, the technical presentation was kinda distracting. Now, I get that banding can be in the source, and Part I had a lot too, from what I heard of the theatrical run, but having only seen the second film in theaters, man it was distracting. Like, there’s a ton of it. A lot. In particular, an early fight scene with some bright effects has it in spades, and a few others, which I won’t point out because of spoilers. Now, I’m sure mp3dom will fix as much as he can without sacrificing detail, but if Aniplex doesn’t do any for their own BD, some bits will be unwatchable (there’s a couple shots where it’s FUNi Re:Zero levels of bad, but that’s only like 2 or 3 in total). Just a heads up.

Footlong Shoe · 03-15-2019, 02:52 AM

I didn't personally notice a lot of banding, but I think the picture was a little darker than it was supposed to be in my theater.

NLScavenger · 03-15-2019, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

I saw Fate/Heaven’s Feel II in the theater and while it was great, the technical presentation was kinda distracting. Now, I get that banding can be in the source, and Part I had a lot too, from what I heard of the theatrical run, but having only seen the second film in theaters, man it was distracting. Like, there’s a ton of it. A lot. In particular, an early fight scene with some bright effects has it in spades, and a few others, which I won’t point out because of spoilers. Now, I’m sure mp3dom will fix as much as he can without sacrificing detail, but if Aniplex doesn’t do any for their own BD, some bits will be unwatchable (there’s a couple shots where it’s FUNi Re:Zero levels of bad, but that’s only like 2 or 3 in total). Just a heads up.

Fathom Events was involved, so maybe it's an issue with the deliverable (mostly streamed via satellite, but sometimes dcp). Or maybe it's an issue with the theater equipment or the film itself.

The home video version won't be the same as the theatrical version. HF1 received animation fixes for its home video release.

03-13-2019, 10:37 PM	#3364
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	One more thing, I re-ripped the film as an MKV this time, and it showed the bitrate as higher than when as an M2TS file. So, I altered the original post and will change the database to reflect it. Very weird... [Show spoiler]

03-13-2019, 11:13 PM	#3368
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Never mind, I noticed why. I'll revert it back.

03-14-2019, 12:03 AM	#3370
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Thank you very much! I'll look for them when I re-watch the film later this evening.

03-14-2019, 02:00 AM	#3372
Ajc228 Senior Member Member since:Mar 2017 Location:Mars	Can anyone attest to the quality of the Funimation bluray release of Casshern: Sins? I’m sure it’s not great because it’s Funimation but it might also be one of those early digipaint shows.

03-14-2019, 01:27 PM	#3374
BlaizeV Active Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2017 Location:Adrift in Blighty 4K collection:26 Blu-ray collection:1689 DVD collection:962 Trading Score:3	I would like to add the Shin Tetsujin 28 Blu Ray from Discotek to my collection later this year. Just wondering how nice the Blu Ray is? Does anyone have it here?

03-15-2019, 02:20 AM	#3378
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	I saw Fate/Heaven’s Feel II in the theater and while it was great, the technical presentation was kinda distracting. Now, I get that banding can be in the source, and Part I had a lot too, from what I heard of the theatrical run, but having only seen the second film in theaters, man it was distracting. Like, there’s a ton of it. A lot. In particular, an early fight scene with some bright effects has it in spades, and a few others, which I won’t point out because of spoilers. Now, I’m sure mp3dom will fix as much as he can without sacrificing detail, but if Aniplex doesn’t do any for their own BD, some bits will be unwatchable (there’s a couple shots where it’s FUNi Re:Zero levels of bad, but that’s only like 2 or 3 in total). Just a heads up.

03-15-2019, 02:52 AM	#3379
Footlong Shoe Senior Member Top contributor Member since:May 2017 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:191 Blu-ray collection:1096 DVD collection:239 Trading Score:1	I didn't personally notice a lot of banding, but I think the picture was a little darker than it was supposed to be in my theater.

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