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Old 03-18-2019, 10:21 PM   #3401
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Thanks for the FMP IV info.

Almost done with the first FMP and I love it, think I'll go ahead and order the next 3 sets (especially that special edition for FMP IV).
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Old 03-18-2019, 10:38 PM   #3402
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I noticed the Japanese credits in screenshot #2. That's unusual for a Funimation release. Did they keep the Japanese credits for all episodes?
I can only speak for episode 1, but at least that far, yes.

Generally they leave them alone if it is a unique opening and then they will randomly English-ify them for episodes where the op/ed are the same throughout. I will watch more tomorrow and report back.
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Thanks for the FMP IV info.

Almost done with the first FMP and I love it, think I'll go ahead and order the next 3 sets (especially that special edition for FMP IV).
There is some disappointment in the op/ed of TSR. Improperly encoded at 30 fps but was done in 24. Or the reverse of that. Pisses me off when I watch which is how I remember it. So maddening.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:06 PM   #3404
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I went ahead and took a look at the main Tenchi Muyo OVA episodes as well. The Funimation release has incorrect colors/brightness, but the compression seems better here than on Lodoss.

Shots 1 and 2
Shot 3 (NSFW: Boobs)

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So the one I was interested in beyond FMP is Darling in the Franxx. And... I have to say the results are frighteningly similar to FMP IV... FUNi got their "stuff" together and put out something amazing.

The US BD follows the unfortunately typical 9/3 split here. I need to double check FMP. I think it was a different split, which might explain part of why it is so much more amazing then Darling...

The part you all love, the comparison shots between JP and US BDs. I had high hopes with what they did with FMP. Apparently whoever did it has more love for FMP than they do Darling.

Image 5 really says it all. Look at Zero Two's horn in the US version vs the JP version. Hooray for the JP release here.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/132371

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I am glad I have the Japanese BDs. In motion, hard to see any issues on the FUNi release but knowing there are issues is enough in some ways. It's not TERRIBLE but not amazing either.

I can maybe do one for 2202 tomorrow as well if there is interest. I have the JP BDs on that one as well.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:29 PM   #3406
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Well, with Franxx, at least they used all the disc space (unlike some of their releases which leave 15+ GB unused)...
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I just don't understand how they can't get it right.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:56 AM   #3408
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9/3 can be fine though can't it? I mean SNAFU S1 and S2 are 9/3 splits and seems universally to be accepted as being excellent PQ-wise. Shirobako did the same for the Part II and even 12 episodes a disc for Part I to me and looked better then 95% of stuff. Feel like it's all on the encoder.
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9/3 can be fine though can't it? I mean SNAFU S1 and S2 are 9/3 splits and seems universally to be accepted as being excellent PQ-wise. Shirobako did the same for the Part II and even 12 episodes a disc for Part I to me and looked better then 95% of stuff. Feel like it's all on the encoder.
Well, that's Sentai. And yes, that's exactly true. SNAFU is a flawless encode, but it's all on the compressionist as you say. I mean, I'd be okay with mp3dom or Justin Sevakis doing 13 episodes per disc simply due to their talent.

FUNi just can't seem to get any decent ones often.
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9/3 can be fine though can't it? I mean SNAFU S1 and S2 are 9/3 splits and seems universally to be accepted as being excellent PQ-wise. Shirobako did the same for the Part II and even 12 episodes a disc for Part I to me and looked better then 95% of stuff. Feel like it's all on the encoder.
Sentai generally does very good compression work, even on 12 episode discs like you mentioned.

Funi has the tools to produce top-notch discs. They should have no problem doing 9/3 splits so it's really on the skill level of the people working on the discs. It's also on the higher ups in the company who don't care enough to bring different people in that can produce better work as this has been an ongoing problem for years.
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Old 03-19-2019, 02:26 AM   #3411
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We all know 9/3 can be fine. I am guessing we could find something where it has high bit rates and it sucks.

I get that people are fallible but it takes a certain lack of care to churn out so many discs and not give a...lick of fudge... that some customers are vocally opposed to what a company defecates onto the market.


Funimation has been terrible. For years. From poorly encoded DVDs using terrible multiple angles, to BDs with compression issues, terrible color (I cry watching Spice and Wolf S1... Then they got better for S2 and keep S1 looking terrible), and a myriad of others issues. While Sentai and Discotek pooh in their direction, running circles around them at every corner.

I just wish someone could make them care.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:19 PM   #3412
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>Spice & Wolf S1

Want to know the really bad thing? FUNimation didn't have to upscale it in the first place, an HD-native master existed, they just couldn't be bothered to try and get it.
https://fandompost.vbulletin.net/for...ge4#post114274
(See post above linked for context, note that Sensuifu's images don't work anymore because they were on ImageShack)

And then on S2, they got HD masters but they screwed up the audio.
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>Spice & Wolf S1

Want to know the really bad thing? FUNimation didn't have to upscale it in the first place, an HD-native master existed, they just couldn't be bothered to try and get it.
At this point, really, nothing surprises me. I sometimes wonder if they are lazy or malicious. We know their laziness is malicious. OK, maybe they don't do it maliciously but they certainly don't care.

S&W S1 was so bad, I just went and ordered the Japanese BD set sight unseen. I knew there was no way it could look as bad or worse than the FUNi set and guess what... I was right. Such a horrible treatment of such a good show. I would write what I really want to say but my post would be deleted.

They've gotten better but better, what, 10ish years of them being in the Anime on BD game at near full speed and they are acceptable still (think they hit the "acceptable" target in '14 or '15) but have not improved or improved so little as to be imperceptible. And they just.don't.care.

Nothing no one here hasn't likely already posted or felt though.
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I noticed the Japanese credits in screenshot #2. That's unusual for a Funimation release. Did they keep the Japanese credits for all episodes?
Well the answer is no, no they did not. The decision seems to be that if the credits are built into the show and not the standard opening/ending, FUNi has left it alone. One exception is I believe it was eps 5 or 6. The ending animation in the broadcast was replaced with the opening animation... so FUNi laid the English ENDING paged credits on top of that ending... opening... thing. If that makes sense.

The regular opening animation has proper English translations. The ending credits, as is normal for FUNimation, ensures the English language production credits appear before everything else and they are all in English with English translations of the staff.

Title cards in the opening of episodes are Japanese, not the transforming craziness ADV went with originally on their releases. Though it helps it is called Full Metal Panic with a katakana under card I guess, and Invisible Victory is the proper Japanese name as well.

Episode titles for the first 3 episodes are Japanese. I didn't check the last 3 on the disc but I assume they follow the trend.

Also in Japanese, unless it was originally in English (WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE as an example), are the upcoming episode previews. I mean, these are all just black with text on them anyway so... yay? I am definitely glad they left the presentation alone, it is just that the presentation is... ho hum at best.

Interesting fact for those still reading. The .5 episodes, the episodes I assume they made because production was slow (I make an assumption this is why we got so many .5s for such a short series)... they are in HD. They are ALSO on the related disc, so 4.5 is on disc 1, etc.

HD is NOT the way they are presented on the original Japanese releases. The Japanese releases are bonus DVDs so they are in SD on the Japanese release. US BD wins here, hands down. AND the op/ed are in JAPANESE on these .5 ep, so the original op/ed are intact. At least on 4.5 episode. I will check the others later today.

Also in HD, though I don't know it really means much, are the location scouting and other related videos. On the Japanese releases, they were also on the DVDs as extra, so SD. I say it doesn't mean much because they aren't the highest DV quality to begin with. But still nice to use a better codec, higher bit rates and "HD."

One thing I find... interesting. Not sure how many people are aware but there is an English language version of the opening song and also an English version of the closing. Both the JP and EN versions are performed by Yamada Tamaru.

Some or all probably knew that.

What I was finding interesting is that FUNi had the ability to, I assume, replace the Japanese op/ed song in the English dub with JUST this version of the track. They have, in fact, NOT replaced the properly set versions of the song and only used English where I believe it was also used in the original JP versions of the show. This also follows the Crunchyroll soundtrack/JP language version. No idea what FUNi did with the streaming dub and I don't care enough to try to find out.

FMP is one of those series I want in pristine quality and as hard as it is to type it up, FUNi actually hit the target with this release.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:53 PM   #3416
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Which release did you order because there was a release for S1 and S2 that has rather interesting differences.https://fandompost.vbulletin.net/for...box#post302959
I have the complete box. this one.

Please don't tell me there is a problem with this set. I will not be pleased to have to search out another copy of this show. I watched it on JP BD and it looked fine so... I'm hoping. Hesitantly going to look at the links now...

Looking at the images, which set is which? I am hoping the right side is the complete box... Cause man if I have to track this down again... lol
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Tiger & Bunny – VIZ Media BD

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Not a bad a release, but iirc it's brighter than the JP BD and it doesn't have the color matrix problem that plague many VIZ Media BDs.

Bitrate viewer report episode #1

AVG: 25004 kbps | MAX: 49649 kbps

Bitrate viewer report episode #4

AVG: 24999 kbps | MAX: 47095 kbps

Bitrate viewer report episode #7

AVG: 25000 kbps | MAX: 46580 kbps


BDInfo report
[Show spoiler]
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Tiger and Bunny Episodes 1 - 7
Disc Label:     TIGER_AND_BUNNY_01_07
Disc Size:      40,042,509,315 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BDInfo:         0.7.5.2

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00014.MPLS
Length:                 2:49:59.272 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   38,553,802,752 bytes
Total Bitrate:          30.24 Mbps

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MPEG-4 AVC Video        24996 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

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DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1714 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz /  1714 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        1699 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz /  1699 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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Presentation Graphics           English         34.195 kbps


I forgot how dumb the ending song lyrics are:
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:47 PM   #3418
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I definitely don't know enough to say whether 480p content can be done on BD (guessing not based on what you said and the digging I did). It is possible 480i was delivered to Maiden but shouldn't they be able to deal with it and get a good picture from it? I mean, they were ADV and ADV managed it OK by the end of their DVD era. But maybe it is the master fault.

To see what is up, I busted out 2 other SD on BD releases I had to compare.

Great Mazinger (don't judge me lol ) by the venerable Discotek (and likely Justin-ified), looks amazing. I know the show was remastered for DVD back in the day in Japan like VOTOMS. It is NOT encoded at 24 fps but 30 fps. If Discotek didn't drop it in 24 fps, I guess you could be right. But it looks AMAZING. No frame errors at all.

I then dropped in Xabungle. This looks like pockmarked and cratered...butt... on many levels, mainly starting with it having never been properly remastered for any release in Japan, so what Maiden got is dirty as heck, blurry as heck, and has what I will say is Edge Enhancement to add insult to injury. But the cleanliness of the master is not the issue here. What is at issue is that it also suffers similar issues to what VOTOMS does. Lots of frame issues in this. I think it being really blurry and dirty helps mask some of it, but a frame by frame assessment tells me it suffers like VOTOMS.

The only reason in VOTOMS case I think they borked the encode is for two reasons. The Japanese DVD, which used the same master I believe, doesn't suffer these issues and is 30 fps encoded. The other reason is I have 2 other releases that I question what Sentai has done with it. Xabungle is one. But I am also one of the suckers that bought LotGH which I know was 1080i in Japan. It's 1080p here in the US and it suffers similar frame issues at times but not to this extent.

My conclusion, based on the small selection, is that Maiden Japan/Sentai simply don't know how to deal with interlaced content on BD. They do amazing work on HD content though. Amazing.

I wish Justin could teach classes to Sentai/Maiden/FUNimation.
Any chance they will fix this? I am guessing no... bummer. I hope they don't screw up the Votoms OVA release...
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Any chance they will fix this? I am guessing no... bummer. I hope they don't screw up the Votoms OVA release...
Did you really have to quote that whole post?
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Any chance they will fix this? I am guessing no... bummer. I hope they don't screw up the Votoms OVA release...
They'll probably fix their encoding pipeline for future releases, but I don't think they'll replace the titles out now.
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