The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 197 - Blu-ray Forum

professorwho · 05-30-2019, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan Jones

Thanks for pointing that out regarding the filtering, as I didn't quite notice. By the way, what do you mean by recomposite an anime?

Have the original scanned genga fully coloured and as files on a PC and export at a higher resolution. It's basically taking the original files and exporting at a higher resolution.

Obviously the older digipaint shows would have the genga scanned at higher than 480p (around 720p I'd guess), but there's a limitation- at what resolution was it scanned?

For example, JC Staff scans their stuff at 144dpi (1600x900p) and composites at 1504x846p. Really weird.

Source:

In fact, everyone should go watch that. Very informative video!

professorwho · 05-30-2019, 07:09 PM

It's awesome seeing them use a PVM for colour reference!

kk1 · 05-30-2019, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

The Haruhi upscale is not good. The R2J DVD is superior, except for the opening.

http://comp.judging.it/index.php?ser...isonid=1080p-1

It's not? I thought I remember everyone saying how great the Haruhi Blu-ray is...

Logan Jones · 05-30-2019, 07:46 PM

Ah! I get it now. I've actually seen that video before. Furthermore, that PVM is rad. Thanks for the info.

If I may ask, what digital anime that you know of were recomposited for a blu-ray release?

professorwho · 05-30-2019, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan Jones

If I may ask, what digital anime that you know of were recomposited for a blu-ray release?

Gurren Lagann
Working! (Season 1)
Elfen Lied
Manabi Straight

and that's all I can remember.

BigOnAnime · 05-30-2019, 09:10 PM

Kannagi: Shrine Maidens is another. Frustrating that Aniplex USA won't ever give us those Blu-rays, Bandai's DVDs have some bad banding during dark scenes.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...0#post11377230

professorwho · 05-30-2019, 09:40 PM

Sadly, Kannagi uses the DVD version of Episode 2 because the bastard director Yamakan was pissed it was mostly animated on 1s(!) while his Episode 1 wasn't. Plus, it had actual lip-sync, unlike 97% of all TV anime.

Don't believe me?

TV:

DVD/BD:

Source

Logan Jones · 05-30-2019, 10:16 PM

Wow. Thanks for the info. If I was to produce an anime, I would hold on to the original digital files for dear life and export those to whatever resolution needed.

Furthermore, there comes a point when the exported video file takes up more hard disk space than the original files do, so saving the original files is important to me.

PissedOffPeoN · 05-30-2019, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

There are some exceptions:
Your Name
Mary and the Witch's Flower
Gundam Char's Counterattack
Cundam F91
Gundam Thunderbolt

And that's about it...

If i were to buy your name 4k as my first 4k title would it be worth it even though i got the Japanese blu ray edition.

Gorgon · 05-30-2019, 10:44 PM

Thanks PW for the link to the Youtube episode of "How Anime Is Made"!
I watched it all and was very impressed.

Pretty amazing they have so many hands involved now.
Heh, and most of their desks look like mine did! (busy, aka cluttered...

)

kk1 · 05-31-2019, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Sadly, Kannagi uses the DVD version of Episode 2 because the bastard director Yamakan was pissed it was mostly animated on 1s(!) while his Episode 1 wasn't. Plus, it had actual lip-sync, unlike 97% of all TV anime.

So where do you get the TV version?

professorwho · 05-31-2019, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kk1

So where do you get the TV version?

Never had an official release, so you'd have to track down some fansubs. I can't go any further, as that would be against forum policy, but just Google it and maybe you'll find something.

Ccharmanderk · 05-31-2019, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kk1

It's not? I thought I remember everyone saying how great the Haruhi Blu-ray is...

My understanding is that the US Blu-ray has better compression than the JP Blu-ray, which may be where this confusion originates. Season one is a pretty standard QTEC upscale, though maybe slightly better than some of their worst efforts, but season two is native HD and looks great.

Naiera · 05-31-2019, 11:10 AM

It's not IMPRESSIVE, but I've seen far, far worse.

The US release also has the brightness issue, which the Japanese one obviously doesn't. It's not too expensive used.

NLScavenger · 05-31-2019, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

It's not IMPRESSIVE, but I've seen far, far worse.

The US release also has the brightness issue, which the Japanese one obviously doesn't. It's not too expensive used.

Nah

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Originally Posted by Mangaranga

To add to this - I was going to do a video comparison for Haruhi, but honestly after comparing episodes 5 and 8 (SD upscale and HD native respectively) there really is very little point. The two look pretty identical for the most part. The only thing I noted that's of any interest was a few frames in the native 1080p opening sequence of episode 5, as the Japanese BD exibits compression issues for a few frames which are not present in Funimation's release as seen here. The only real difference between the two releases is the inclusion of a signs track and 5.1 dub track on Funi's release.

I'm not going to create screenshotcomparisons for these, but I've posted my caps for the US BD and JP BD respectively on imgur.

kk1 · 05-31-2019, 11:49 AM

Hmmm so which version of the DVD of Haruhi is that? Should be pretty cheap to pick up used now, were the old US DVDs much worse?

NLScavenger · 05-31-2019, 02:45 PM

I dunno about the US DVDs, but you can find a complete set of the original Limited Edition R2J DVDs for 1500 - 2500 yen on Mandarake.

Kyonai.de has a comparison between the JP, US, US (LE broadcast order) and German DVDs. Click on the screenshots to see the comparison
https://www.kyoani.de/414/bildqualit...ffentlichungen

The US DVDs compare favorably to the JP DVD, but some parts show more artifacting on the US DVD. JP DVD appears to have been filtered somewhat in some parts, perhaps to make compression easier. JP DVD also has lossless audio.

The one thing that I don't like about the US DVDs are the fugly subtitles (screenshots from Crunchyroll forum)

kk1 · 05-31-2019, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

I dunno about the US DVDs, but you can find a complete set of the original Limited Edition R2J DVDs for 1500 - 2500 yen on Mandarake.

Is that the one with the best quality from your original post? It lists 3 different DVDs but didn't say which was which.

NLScavenger · 05-31-2019, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kk1

Is that the one with the best quality from your original post? It lists 3 different DVDs but didn't say which was which.

The original link DVD screenshots are all from the same DVD, but the uploader made three different versions of the DVD screenshots: original DVD resolution, upscaled, upscaled and filtered.

Nostalgic Twilight · 05-31-2019, 09:57 PM

I received Sentai's BDs of Negima! and Negima!? today and decided to take a look at them.

First up is Negima! All I can say about this is even considering all the issues with Funi's DVD, the upscale on Sentai's BD sure isn't very pretty.

Bitrate analysis for episode one:

Screenshot comparisons: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/803/
(I captured the wrong frames for shots 2 and 4. My bad.)

Backup gallery: https://imgur.com/a/z0dQq1F

Next up is Negima!? My reaction: why did I even bother? lol

Bitrate analysis for episode one:

Screenshot comparisons: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/811/

Backup gallery: https://imgur.com/a/xGod3IE

05-30-2019, 07:09 PM	#3922
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	It's awesome seeing them use a PVM for colour reference!

05-30-2019, 07:46 PM	#3924
Logan Jones Member Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:9 Blu-ray collection:131	Ah! I get it now. I've actually seen that video before. Furthermore, that PVM is rad. Thanks for the info. If I may ask, what digital anime that you know of were recomposited for a blu-ray release?

05-30-2019, 09:10 PM	#3926
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	Kannagi: Shrine Maidens is another. Frustrating that Aniplex USA won't ever give us those Blu-rays, Bandai's DVDs have some bad banding during dark scenes. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...0#post11377230

05-30-2019, 09:40 PM	#3927
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Sadly, Kannagi uses the DVD version of Episode 2 because the bastard director Yamakan was pissed it was mostly animated on 1s(!) while his Episode 1 wasn't. Plus, it had actual lip-sync, unlike 97% of all TV anime. Don't believe me? TV: DVD/BD: Source

05-30-2019, 10:16 PM	#3928
Logan Jones Member Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:9 Blu-ray collection:131	Wow. Thanks for the info. If I was to produce an anime, I would hold on to the original digital files for dear life and export those to whatever resolution needed. Furthermore, there comes a point when the exported video file takes up more hard disk space than the original files do, so saving the original files is important to me.

05-30-2019, 10:44 PM	#3930
Gorgon Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2015 Location:Great White North Trading Score:32	Thanks PW for the link to the Youtube episode of "How Anime Is Made"! I watched it all and was very impressed. Pretty amazing they have so many hands involved now. Heh, and most of their desks look like mine did! (busy, aka cluttered... )

05-31-2019, 11:10 AM	#3934
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	It's not IMPRESSIVE, but I've seen far, far worse. The US release also has the brightness issue, which the Japanese one obviously doesn't. It's not too expensive used.

05-31-2019, 11:49 AM	#3936
kk1 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2015 Blu-ray collection:610	Hmmm so which version of the DVD of Haruhi is that? Should be pretty cheap to pick up used now, were the old US DVDs much worse?

05-31-2019, 02:45 PM	#3937
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:831 Trading Score:9	I dunno about the US DVDs, but you can find a complete set of the original Limited Edition R2J DVDs for 1500 - 2500 yen on Mandarake. Kyonai.de has a comparison between the JP, US, US (LE broadcast order) and German DVDs. Click on the screenshots to see the comparison https://www.kyoani.de/414/bildqualit...ffentlichungen The US DVDs compare favorably to the JP DVD, but some parts show more artifacting on the US DVD. JP DVD appears to have been filtered somewhat in some parts, perhaps to make compression easier. JP DVD also has lossless audio. The one thing that I don't like about the US DVDs are the fugly subtitles (screenshots from Crunchyroll forum)

05-31-2019, 09:57 PM	#3940
Nostalgic Twilight Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2015 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:436 DVD collection:390 Trading Score:20	I received Sentai's BDs of Negima! and Negima!? today and decided to take a look at them. First up is Negima! All I can say about this is even considering all the issues with Funi's DVD, the upscale on Sentai's BD sure isn't very pretty. Bitrate analysis for episode one: Screenshot comparisons: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/803/ (I captured the wrong frames for shots 2 and 4. My bad.) Backup gallery: https://imgur.com/a/z0dQq1F Next up is Negima!? My reaction: why did I even bother? lol Bitrate analysis for episode one: Screenshot comparisons: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/811/ Backup gallery: https://imgur.com/a/xGod3IE

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