The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread

[NLScavenger]

Originally Posted by Footlong Shoe

I take this back. I'm watching it again and the interlacing is sticking out a lot. Going to do screencaps/bitrate soon.

I don't want to sound pushy, but can you please split 10 to 20 seconds of video (without audio) and PM it? I'm kinda curious in how it looks in motion.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

I don't want to sound pushy, but can you please split 10 to 20 seconds of video (without audio) and PM it? I'm kinda curious in how it looks in motion.

Ditto. (If you don't mind)

[NLScavenger]

Ripping UK disc 1 (eps #1-#8) now. Can provide stats, screenshots and short footage (per request)

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Ripping UK disc 1 (eps #1-#8) now. Can provide stats, screenshots and short footage (per request)

I meant of the US release, but thanks.

[NLScavenger]

Originally Posted by professorwho

I meant of the US release, but thanks.

What I meant was that I can provide UK BD footage to Footlong Shoe, if desired.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

What I meant was that I can provide UK BD footage to Footlong Shoe, if desired.

Ah. I thought my message was mis-interpreted due to not quoting the original post.

[Footlong Shoe]

The Tatami Galaxy - Funimation

I took equivalent screencaps for each one NLScavenger took for his post, but for some I adjusted slightly to show the interlacing.

Screenshots - Funimation (Episode 1)


Audio
Japanese: Dolby TrueHD Audio 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1375 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps)
(listed as English in the disc)

Subtitles
English (Locked)

Other Info
Credits are left untranslated, as well as the lyrics of the opening and ending songs. Discs are split by Episodes 1-9 and 10-11.

Bitrate Viewer (Episode 1)


BDinfo

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     TatamiGalaxy_D1
Disc Size:      48,735,385,600 bytes
Protection:     AACS(v68)
BDInfo:         0.7.5.5 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 11.0.5.0)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00009.MPLS  
Length:                 0:22:51.970 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   5,365,549,056 bytes
Total Bitrate:          31.29 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        27791 kbps          1080i / 29.970 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1375 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1375 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         77.284 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00014.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:22:51.970     5,365,549,056   31,286 kbps     

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:03:19.999     27,554 kbps     47,023 kbps     0:02:07.494     40,488 kbps     0:02:07.494     37,328 kbps     0:02:09.496     114,926 bytes   591,801 bytes   0:02:07.393     
2               0:03:19.999     0:01:29.923     36,529 kbps     42,979 kbps     0:03:43.823     39,552 kbps     0:04:00.773     38,926 kbps     0:04:03.409     152,358 bytes   569,605 bytes   0:04:28.868     
3               0:04:49.922     0:04:33.439     26,104 kbps     41,657 kbps     0:06:18.611     35,670 kbps     0:06:19.746     32,619 kbps     0:06:20.813     108,876 bytes   581,435 bytes   0:08:25.071     
4               0:09:23.362     0:11:57.717     26,578 kbps     45,308 kbps     0:12:25.277     38,063 kbps     0:13:11.023     36,732 kbps     0:14:49.321     110,855 bytes   604,737 bytes   0:11:09.769     
5               0:21:21.079     0:01:30.890     34,296 kbps     53,417 kbps     0:22:34.453     39,630 kbps     0:22:34.453     38,032 kbps     0:22:34.453     143,045 bytes   574,293 bytes   0:22:17.269     

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00014.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     1371.94                 27790.7                 4,765,883,231   25,945,862      
00014.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            TrueHD          eng (English)           1371.97                 1375.47                 235,888,632     1,878,557       
00014.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1371.94                 77.284                  13,253,563      75,153

I'll see what I can do to get a video clip to you two, as well.

[professorwho]

Huh. It's weird. Some shots look nearly identical, while others show that the FUNi release had some DNR applied, and some show poor compression on the grain. The interlacing is bad, though. It really has no reason to be interlaced at all.

[professorwho]

Watched the clip Shoe sent and wow the interlacing is terrible. This really really needed to have a progressive encode.

[professorwho]

Probably not. I never heard of any issues with their previous release.

[NLScavenger]

I checked the footage and the reason why we're seeing the interlacing here is because the screenshots were taken without inverse telecine (IVTC). If you watch the FUNi BD on a good Blu-ray player or a PC media player that can do IVTC, then it should remove the 2:3 pulldown.

Still, that doesn't excuse Funi or anything. They were willing to IVTC Cowboy Bebop (and ruin the 30p & 60i footage), but not willing to IVTC this. Jeez.

[Gumi]

Dang another show I got to import

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by cfx

IMO it is ...

But it isn't. I'm not advocating that 24Hz material should ever be released at 1080i60, but 1080i in itself isn't automatically horrible.

[Mangaranga]

Seems a bit of a strange choice to go with 1080i for it. Considering how long they've sat on the show and the low sales numbers they're probably predicting, I wonder if they used some old HDTV masters they still have from when it aired or something.

[BigOnAnime]

They likely only acquired home video rights recently, so I still wonder what happened here. It wasn't standard practice in 2010 for home video rights to be bundled with streaming, they had to be acquired separately.

[kevers7290]

Are the Australian and UK releases of Durarara x2 the same? I know very little about the region B releases aside from hearing something about missing extras and borked audio.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by kevers7290

Are the Australian and UK releases of Durarara x2 the same? I know very little about the region B releases aside from hearing something about missing extras and borked audio.

The UK release of Part 1 of X2 is different and better, as it’s a Justin Sevakis encode. Then Anime Limited decided to cheapen out and use the AU releases which have lossy audio at a lower bitrate than even their DVDs.

Also, they’re missing the OVA episodes.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Naiera

I haven't as much as glanced at the bitrate, let alone ripped anything, but I'd like to add that Sakura Quest from FUNimation looks really good to me. I don't know if the gamma is in order, but it seems like it is. The whole thing just looks right. Great release for a pretty great show.

I then got to the last disc, and it started doing FUNi things

I don't know if it's both banding and mosquito noise from poor encoding, but it's definitely banding, doing some shit I've never seen before. There were two instances in episode 23 of banding the likes of which I'd never seen before, with one being particularly bizarre.

Overall, it's still a good-looking release, and three weird eps is, after all, just three eps, but FUNi gonna FUNi

[ChilledOctopusOnLava]

I wonder when 2160p anime shows start airing or be put on bluray for home media purposes.... I remember seeing a copy of some TV show completely in a 2160p 16:9 box....and thought wow, this is new...well at least 4K UHD bluray isn't going home anytime soon....you know with streaming services now kicking in trying to contend against home media physical releases....

[BigOnAnime]

Originally Posted by ChilledOctopusOnLava

I wonder when 2160p anime shows start airing or be put on bluray for home media purposes.... I remember seeing a copy of some TV show completely in a 2160p 16:9 box....and thought wow, this is new...well at least 4K UHD bluray isn't going home anytime soon....you know with streaming services now kicking in trying to contend against home media physical releases....

Most anime still aren't even being animated at 1080P, they're animated at least in 720P then upscaled to 1080P. I don't see the industry really adopting 4K UHD very much given how hectic the production process is (episodes being delivered to TV stations mere hours before airing (this happened with Kill la Kill's final episode)-that's how tight deadlines get) and declining sales in Japan. Blu-ray releases for anime didn't even start to become common until around 2010 or so, though some stuff was available before that, as early as 2006.
http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_d...num_sid=484563

At this point in time, there's like only 10-20 or so anime that have 4K releases in Japan (and they're like all movies/OVAs IIRC), and North America is only finally getting its first, the Space Adventure Cobra movie (a cel-animated production), in November.

Originally Posted by professorwho

The UK release of Part 1 of X2 is different and better, as it’s a Justin Sevakis encode. Then Anime Limited decided to cheapen out and use the AU releases which have lossy audio at a lower bitrate than even their DVDs.

Also, they’re missing the OVA episodes.

Just to note, IIRC, this was a restriction from Aniplex Japan. Only Aniplex USA is allowed to have those OVAs, no one else in any English-speaking area.