The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by chilledoctopusonlava

i wonder when 2160p anime shows start airing or be put on bluray for home media purposes...

lol

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by ChilledOctopusOnLava

I wonder when 2160p anime shows start airing or be put on bluray for home media purposes.... I remember seeing a copy of some TV show completely in a 2160p 16:9 box....and thought wow, this is new...well at least 4K UHD bluray isn't going home anytime soon....you know with streaming services now kicking in trying to contend against home media physical releases....

lol, you clearly don’t understand how anime is produced...

[DTG75]

Netflix is making a 4K anime though.

[The Collector FX]

Originally Posted by DTG75

Netflix is making a 4K anime though.

I'm not videophile, or have any expertise on how anime is made in today's market considering the bulk of animation studios don't use traditional animation cels anymore (atleast in general) but based on what anime I've seen in 1080p HD format - is there REALLY a purpose to having it 4K? Is there details/fidelity to be gained in 4K vs 1080p?

To my knowledge, no anime today has HDR and 1080p generally does a great job of reproducing the sharpness/quality of anime that was produced with cel sheets. I'm referring to pre late 2000's anime of course.

Personally, 4K anime seems pointless to me as a consumer both from a viewing standpoint and a price point.

The only circumstance I deem 4K anime necessary is if I'm watching an anime on theatre sized screen (300 inches +) where more pixels means less loss of detail to accommodate the massive screen size.

[One-Eye]

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

At this point in time, there's like only 10-20 or so anime that have 4K releases in Japan (and they're like all movies/OVAs IIRC), and North America is only finally getting its first, the Space Adventure Cobra movie (a cel-animated production), in November.

Does the Gundam Thunderbolt 4K import count as the first 4K anime in NA? Or does it being an import disqualify it?

Originally Posted by The Collector FX

To my knowledge, no anime today has HDR...[snip]

I think IIRC that the Gundam Thunderbolt December Sky 4K had HDR.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by One-Eye

Does the Gundam Thunderbolt 4K import count as the first 4K anime in NA?

It wasn't animated at UHD or 4K.

[Mangaranga]

Originally Posted by The Collector FX

I'm not videophile, or have any expertise on how anime is made in today's market considering the bulk of animation studios don't use traditional animation cels anymore (atleast in general) but based on what anime I've seen in 1080p HD format - is there REALLY a purpose to having it 4K? Is there details/fidelity to be gained in 4K vs 1080p?

Seeing as I have neither a 4k TV or anything that supports HDR, I used to very much be of the opinion that buying anything that's not natively above 1080p on UHD is a waste of time. However, having recently upgraded to a UHD drive in my PC with a 1440p display, the thing I noticed immediately (besides the better colours thanks to Mad VR's tonemapping) is just how much better the HEVC encoder is over AVC. For reference I was watching the Japanese Spiderman Into the Spider-Verse UHD, and despite being an upscale, the amount of additional detail on display and much better compression made for something akin to a BD vs DVD comparison at times. If you've seen the movie, the last act of the film and the credits are a fantastic example of this due to all the fast movement and distorted effects going on in the background. The BD falls apart whilst the UHD sails through it.

TLDR; In short, yes, there is due to more modern encoders - but it depends how much of a videophile you are.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by Naiera

It wasn't animated at UHD or 4K.

You mean composited. Unless it was 100% digitally drawn (which is not the case at all in Japan, with few, few exceptions), then it can’t be “animated” at any resolution.

It was composited at 900p because the director wanted to do a 4K release, so the staff did at at a higher resolution than most TV anime.

And, I wouldn’t say it’s the first American anime UHD- that goes to Space Adventure Cobra.

[professorwho]

I’m watching Robot Carnival via Amazon Prime and you know how Gouki lives to b*tch about how it’s “cropped” and stuff? After seeing this widescreen presentation, it’s incredibly obvious it was meant to be seen in 1.85:1 mostly (though the segment “Cloud” is in 1.33:1 due to the framing chosen by its director). I only noticed 2 shots which stood out as being cropped, and even then, if I hadn’t known it was animated partially for 4:3 as well, I couldn’t tell.

[brendaa]

I watched Evangelion recently, and as it is old enough, I haven't even noticed the quality

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Questions about Slayers (1995 series + OVAs and movies) on BD. I was doing digging on Selecta Vision titles and saw they released the Slayers TV series with allegedly horrendous upscales sporting jerky frame rates. I also saw tidbits about a Japanese BD box with the Series+Movies+OVAs, and allegedly the series are also bad upscales while the movies+OVAs are 2k masters from 35mm elements.

There are conflicting reports on weather Selecta's BDs are the same upscaled masters as on the JP BD Box, or the masters Selecta got were SD and did the upscaling themselves with bad frame rate? Info and screen comparisons would help.

Forgive me if this inquiry got previously mentioned by someone else in the massive 219 pages of this thread.

And BTW, I own Discotek's Robot Carnival BD (which is a seriously underrated fantastic release from them). As for the WS debate that someone keeps mentioning, RC was made by some of the TMS Entertainment crew (who worked on Akira) for production company A.P.P.P.. However, unlike most of TMS's theatrical output and Akira, Robot Carnival was animated at 1.37 as most anime and TV productions were but positioned and protected for theatrical exhibition ratios of 1.75 or thereabouts.

[ChilledOctopusOnLava]

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

Most anime still aren't even being animated at 1080P, they're animated at least in 720P then upscaled to 1080P.

Oh snap, them false advertisements! Well maybe partial, as upscaled 1080p is still technically considered 1080p, just not *true* 1080p quality... Why don't they just save themselves some space and just rip them at 720p at their native resolution sizes? I would feel kinda guilty for releasing upscales if I were producing a show that only recorded at say 480p and then advertise it as "1080p on bluray, get it now while it lasts!" after upscaling it to that resolution size...

I guess no one makes 1280x720 monitors do they? And LCDs only look great if the show is played at the monitor's native resolution size....but then what if you have a weird monitor that's not the show's native resolution size? Yeah............then that either upscales even further or downscales if you got something smaller....and just have black bars on the sides or top and bottom....

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

I don't see the industry really adopting 4K UHD very much given how hectic the production process is (episodes being delivered to TV stations mere hours before airing (this happened with Kill la Kill's final episode)-that's how tight deadlines get) and declining sales in Japan.

Whoa....ok I guess they barely have any time to fiddle and squish all the visual bugs and the likes to commodate 2160p resolution size...for those with those types of monitors at the ready....

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

At this point in time, there's like only 10-20 or so anime that have 4K releases in Japan (and they're like all movies/OVAs IIRC), and North America is only finally getting its first, the Space Adventure Cobra movie (a cel-animated production), in November.

Well that's a start I guess...

Originally Posted by professorwho

lol, you clearly don’t understand how anime is produced...

I thought it would be the same as making a movie non-anime tv show here....?

Originally Posted by cfx

Or how home media vs. streaming is doing, marketplace-wise, given this comment:

Okay...perhaps you would like to enlighten me on this then?

Originally Posted by DTG75

Netflix is making a 4K anime though.

The seven deadly sins better be one of those! hahaha

Originally Posted by The Collector FX

I'm not videophile, or have any expertise on how anime is made in today's market considering the bulk of animation studios don't use traditional animation cels anymore (atleast in general) but based on what anime I've seen in 1080p HD format - is there REALLY a purpose to having it 4K? Is there details/fidelity to be gained in 4K vs 1080p?

Well, if basing the quality of life improvements from a typical 4K UHD release in the west, we have HDR, HDR10, DolbyVision, Deep colour support (10-bit, 12-bit, 16-bit colour bit-depth - which means less banding which is a good thing if you're highly perceptible to it and since anime is usually colourful, this actually matters...), REC 2020 (over REC 601 or 709), 60 frames per second (fps) - I remember this being one of the improvements over 1080p blurays but no movie or even show that I know of, are released at 60fps(Or it might have been some false article I read...which might explain none has adopted this change yet...), Dolby Atmos, and DTS:X.

Originally Posted by The Collector FX

The only circumstance I deem 4K anime necessary is if I'm watching an anime on theatre sized screen (300 inches +) where more pixels means less loss of detail to accommodate the massive screen size.

So then it would benefit cinemas since they usually have big massive ass screens.....? Or rich people with their massive ass mansion with a dedicated theatre room for this kind of setup....

[professorwho]

Dude. You might want to do some research on your own first as a way to educate yourself on anime production. Everything I ever learned is out there publicly- you just need to know what to look for and where.

Anime will NEVER be 2160p native in this current industry. Unless it fully changes, unless it’s an older film getting remastered (which doesn’t count, as it’s older) there won’t be any 4K native anime.

[ChilledOctopusOnLava]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Dude. You might want to do some research on your own first as a way to educate yourself on anime production. Everything I ever learned is out there publicly- you just need to know what to look for and where.

What if I want the expertise of someone who already knows their stuff to explain it to me easier and quicker than me having to spend weeks on my own and possibly getting lost on the way?

[jd213]

Resolution isn't even worth getting all that hung up about, really. Well drawn sakuga tends to stand out even if it's low rez.

I'd much rather the studios pay artists to make something that's well drawn/animated instead of wasting money in compositing every single shot in 4K.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by ChilledOctopusOnLava

What if I want the expertise of someone who already knows their stuff to explain it to me easier and quicker than me having to spend weeks on my own and possibly getting lost on the way?

I didn't think there was a way to ClownPost harder than I've seen on this forum but I've just been proven wrong

[jsevakis]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ans...-07-06/.103696

[Dailyan]

After more than a year of waiting:
Gunsmith Cats Blu Ray caps


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[professorwho]

Audio specs, please?

And is it a BD-25? It sure seems like one with that bitrate.

[NLScavenger]

Ehm... The compression ain't so hot in some shots.