The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 237 - Blu-ray Forum

NLScavenger · 03-10-2020, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland - Koch Media BD (Germany)

Japanese cut (95 min)

Hemdale Pictures cut (84 min)

TC Entertainment BD (Japan)

Additional comparison: TC Entertainment, Koch Media (Japanese), Koch Media (Hemdale)

Audio: Japanese & English PCM 2.0 16-bit

Mangaranga · 03-10-2020, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BoscoTheMan82

Sound Euphonium Season 2 Episode 1

Interesting. It appears to more or less match the Japanese BD. Shame nothing else they released was like this.

NLScavenger · 03-10-2020, 11:25 PM

Code Geass: Lelouch of the Re;surrection - Funimation BD

I'll post screenshots tomorrow, but for now here are the stats

Code:

Disc Title: CodeGeass_Resurrection
Disc Label: CodeGeass_Resurrection
Disc Size: 41,498,551,048 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00008.MPLS
Size: 35,370,024,960 bytes
Length: 1:52:53.767
Total Bitrate: 41.77 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 33999 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1561 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -31dB)
Audio: Japanese / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1638 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -31dB)
Subtitle: English / 48.320 kbps
Subtitle: English / 1.229 kbps

This time the credits are in Japanese and the English credits are in a separate video.

NLScavenger · 03-11-2020, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Code Geass: Lelouch of the Re;surrection - Funimation BD

I'll post screenshots tomorrow, but for now here are the stats

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NLScavenger · 03-19-2020, 10:10 PM

Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1

The picture quality of the Level sets is overrated. They're better than anything before (and after lol), but they have their problems. I'm very well aware of the inherent graininess and contrast problems (i.e. black crush) in the multi-gen film elements, but most people ignore the fact that the compression is ass. In some shots, the darker shots in particular, it's as if I'm staring at Lego® bricks.

Also, the film was scanned with a then (2011) outdated SDC 2000 Spirit DataCine from 1996. A scan with a modern film scanner and better compression would likely yield better results.

SDC 2000 Spirit DataCine

BDInfo disc 1

Code:

Disc Title: Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1 Disc 1
Disc Label: DRAGON BALL Z L1 P1 D1
Disc Size: 49,822,736,670 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 49,474,289,664 bytes
Length: 3:38:11.578
Total Bitrate: 30.23 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 22289 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1404 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -25dB)
Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   811 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   192 kbps / DN -25dB)
Audio: Japanese / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 1.0 / 48 kHz /   444 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 1.0 / 48 kHz /    96 kbps / DN -25dB)
Subtitle: English / 24.833 kbps
Subtitle: English / 1.617 kbps

BDInfo disc 2

Code:

Disc Title: Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1 Disc 2
Disc Label: DRAGON BALL Z L1 P1 D2
Disc Size: 48,272,708,419 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 44,389,816,320 bytes
Length: 3:13:58.043
Total Bitrate: 30.51 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 22604 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1414 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -25dB)
Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   839 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   192 kbps / DN -19dB)
Audio: Japanese / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 1.0 / 48 kHz /   445 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 1.0 / 48 kHz /    96 kbps / DN -24dB)
Subtitle: English / 18.833 kbps
Subtitle: English / 1.654 kbps

Episode 5

professorwho · 03-19-2020, 10:21 PM

That cap with Piccolo... that's some Studio Canal HDR10 encoding type sh*t there.

Dailyan · 03-19-2020, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

The picture quality of the Level sets is overrated. They're better than anything before (and after lol), but they have their problems. I'm very well aware of the inherent graininess and contrast problems (i.e. black crush) in the multi-gen film elements, but most people ignore the fact that the compression is ass. In some shots, the darker shots in particular, it's as if I'm staring at Lego® bricks.

Yikes, those caps look StudioCanal-level bad (their remastered "The Graduate" was one of the worst "studio" discs I owned with it's Lego-Vision).

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Also, the film was scanned with a then (2011) outdated SDC 2000 Spirit DataCine from 1996. A scan with a modern film scanner and better compression would likely yield better results.

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Originally Posted by professorwho

That cap with Piccolo... that's some Studio Canal HDR10 encoding type sh*t there.

More like in general.

professorwho · 03-19-2020, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dailyan

More like in general.

They seem to have gotten better recently with 1080p discs, but still are a good distance away from "good."

Mangaranga · 03-19-2020, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Dragon Ball Z Level 1.1

The picture quality of the Level sets is overrated. They're better than anything before (and after lol), but they have their problems. I'm very well aware of the inherent graininess and contrast problems (i.e. black crush) in the multi-gen film elements, but most people ignore the fact that the compression is ass. In some shots, the darker shots in particular, it's as if I'm staring at Lego® bricks.

Wow, it looks like something they'd put out nowadays. It's almost like they haven't changed or improved their approach to encoding over the last decade.
Gotta give the other players credit at least (Sentai/Viz/MediaOCD), seeing as they've made visible changes to their encoders at least once in the same time frame.

Logan Jones · 03-19-2020, 11:04 PM

Wow... So is this the best that the original DBZ series has ever looked? Even with the crummy compression?

NLScavenger · 03-19-2020, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan Jones

Wow... So is this the best that the original DBZ series has ever looked? Even with the crummy compression?

Depending how you look at it. DBOX probably doesn't have the awful compression artifacts, but it's lower res and zero effort was put in the color correction.

Logan Jones · 03-19-2020, 11:49 PM

Well, I like the grain, and the colors look okay... I was just wondering if there were any Japanese Blu-rays or other obscure releases that looked better.

MrSniper1401 · 03-20-2020, 03:20 PM

Has anyone got the Attack on Titan Season 3 Part 2 blu-ray and can comment on the video quality? Someone on the shingeki no kyojin reddit seems to be suggesting that funimation used the tv masters for the BD as opposed to the blu-ray masters

Mangaranga · 03-22-2020, 05:00 PM

Honey and Clover Season 1

Had a quick look through episode one of this release, and I must say it's a very pleasing upscale. There's some odd frames where you can see that the image hasn't been de-interlaced properly/at all (see #7) but I get the impression that they're pretty rare as I only noticed one minor and one major example of this (excluding the ED). Needless to say it's a massive upgrade over the Q-TEC upscaled JP BD. Not entirely sure whether said BD was a 1080i30 or 1080p24 release, but the only rip I could find for comparison was 720p24 with with major interlacing artifact issues. Here's a downscaled still for comparison anyway.

Naiera · 03-22-2020, 05:48 PM

I hope I get my copy this upcoming week, in spite of the coronavirus

jala12 · 03-22-2020, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSniper1401

Has anyone got the Attack on Titan Season 3 Part 2 blu-ray and can comment on the video quality? Someone on the shingeki no kyojin reddit seems to be suggesting that funimation used the tv masters for the BD as opposed to the blu-ray masters

According to other users in that thread, this is false.

Naiera · 03-23-2020, 02:34 AM

NLScavenger · 03-26-2020, 12:19 AM

Expelled from Paradise - Anime Limited UK/FR BD

Anime Limited BD

Aniplex of America BD - Blu-ray.com review

BDInfo

Code:

Disc Title: EXPELLED FROM PARADISE
Disc Label: EXPELLED FROM PARADISE
Disc Size: 31,641,167,532 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 23,418,126,336 bytes
Length: 1:43:53.268
Total Bitrate: 30.06 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 16054 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  3981 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   896 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: French / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  3993 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   896 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  3936 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   896 kbps / 24-bit)
Subtitle: French / 40.304 kbps
Subtitle: French / 0.472 kbps
Subtitle: English / 44.552 kbps

lol, the extras have a higher video bitrate

Making of

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Size: 7,364,118,528 bytes
Length: 0:30:02.967
Total Bitrate: 32.68 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 29171 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1714 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Subtitle: French / 64.314 kbps
Subtitle: English / 59.770 kbps

Trailers

Code:

Size: 460,892,160 bytes
Length: 0:02:13.800
Total Bitrate: 27.56 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 23902 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  2204 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)

professorwho · 03-26-2020, 12:42 AM

Pathetic. There's no reason the film should have such a low bitrate, even if the encoding settings are well optimized, and for the extras to be higher bitrate (and I bet the making of is just talking heads) as well as have lossless audio? That's just flat out stupid.

NLScavenger · 03-26-2020, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by professorwho

Pathetic. There's no reason the film should have such a low bitrate, even if the encoding settings are well optimized, and for the extras to be higher bitrate (and I bet the making of is just talking heads) as well as have lossless audio? That's just flat out stupid.

The ample leftover space on the disc is such a waste. Could have bumped up the video bitrate without disc space or buffer problems.

PQ is not bad though.

03-22-2020, 05:00 PM	#4734
Mangaranga Senior Member Member since:Oct 2014	Honey and Clover Season 1 Had a quick look through episode one of this release, and I must say it's a very pleasing upscale. There's some odd frames where you can see that the image hasn't been de-interlaced properly/at all (see #7) but I get the impression that they're pretty rare as I only noticed one minor and one major example of this (excluding the ED). Needless to say it's a massive upgrade over the Q-TEC upscaled JP BD. Not entirely sure whether said BD was a 1080i30 or 1080p24 release, but the only rip I could find for comparison was 720p24 with with major interlacing artifact issues. Here's a downscaled still for comparison anyway. Last edited by Mangaranga; 03-22-2020 at 05:25 PM.

03-19-2020, 10:21 PM	#4726
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	That cap with Piccolo... that's some Studio Canal HDR10 encoding type sh*t there.

03-19-2020, 11:04 PM	#4730
Logan Jones Member Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:9 Blu-ray collection:131	Wow... So is this the best that the original DBZ series has ever looked? Even with the crummy compression?

03-19-2020, 11:49 PM	#4732
Logan Jones Member Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:9 Blu-ray collection:131	Well, I like the grain, and the colors look okay... I was just wondering if there were any Japanese Blu-rays or other obscure releases that looked better.

03-20-2020, 03:20 PM	#4733
MrSniper1401 Member Member since:Apr 2011	Has anyone got the Attack on Titan Season 3 Part 2 blu-ray and can comment on the video quality? Someone on the shingeki no kyojin reddit seems to be suggesting that funimation used the tv masters for the BD as opposed to the blu-ray masters

03-22-2020, 05:48 PM	#4735
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	I hope I get my copy this upcoming week, in spite of the coronavirus

03-23-2020, 02:34 AM	#4737
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25

03-26-2020, 12:42 AM	#4739
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Pathetic. There's no reason the film should have such a low bitrate, even if the encoding settings are well optimized, and for the extras to be higher bitrate (and I bet the making of is just talking heads) as well as have lossless audio? That's just flat out stupid.

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