The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 24 - Blu-ray Forum

Naiera · 01-24-2016, 02:49 PM

I'd be happy to supply stats for the domestic US release if someone with at least one of the OVAs and a Blu-ray drive can do the same.

svenge · 01-24-2016, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naiera

I'd be happy to supply stats for the domestic US release if someone with at least one of the OVAs and a Blu-ray drive can do the same.

Found BDInfo scans for the JP releases, but sadly not the US ones.

Arise Episode 1
AVC @ 33762 kbps, JP Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit @ 3562 kbps + LCPM 2.0 24-bit @ 2304 kbps, JP/EN/CH subs

Arise Episode 2
AVC @ 30027 kbps, JP Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit @ 3776 kbps + LPCM 2.0 24-bit @ 2304 kbps, JP/EN/CH subs

Arise Episode 3
AVC @ 30699 kbps, JP Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit @ 3592 kbps + LPCM 2.0 24-bit @ 2304 kbps, JP/EN/CH subs

Arise Episode 4
AVC @ 30155 kbps, JP Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit @ 3692 kbps + LPCM 2.0 24-bit @ 2304 kbps, JP/EN/CH subs

Pyrophoric Cult
AVC @ 30505 kbps, JP Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit @ 3301 kbps + LPCM 2.0 24-bit @ 2304 kbps, JP/EN/CH subs

Ghost in the Shell: The New Movie
AVC @ 33947 kbps, JP Dolby TrueHD 5.1 24-bit @ 3229 kbps + LPCM 2.0 24-bit @ 2304 kbps, JP/EN/CH subs

Naiera · 01-25-2016, 02:04 AM

Episode 1 below.

[Show spoiler]

The audio is obviously not the same, as there is no 2.0 track to be found.

Naiera · 01-25-2016, 02:45 AM

And I didn't rip the lossless audio tracks this time either

EDIT: Updated.

ApocalypseKnight · 01-25-2016, 01:37 PM

Thanks guys!

It's indeed really damn close.

vincentric · 02-03-2016, 02:42 PM

Checked out Battle Girls. Saw some slight to moderate banding and blocking here and there in the usual suspect areas (fast moving frames, dimly lit scenes, night sky, etc.), but was surprised to see it looking good for the most part. I kept expecting to see the pq turn to shit at any given moment but it held together nicely. Even fight scenes I nitpicked one frame at a time held up well to scrutiny.

First 13 screencaps are from ep1, the rest from ep9 -

The eps each have around 4.2, 4.3 GB of data -

Around 3.8 gb for the video and 500 mb for the audio.

I'll try capturing some Eva 3.33 stats and screens up next.

Mangaranga · 02-03-2016, 06:54 PM

Repost due to Imgur being shit. Apologies!

BDinfo scan for Eva 3.33 attached.

You'd be excused for thinking Funimation are using the Japanese master this time around, but unfortunately that's not the case.

SeaFox · 02-03-2016, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangaranga

Repost due to Imgur being shit. Apologies!

BDinfo scan for Eva 3.33 attached.

You'd be excused for thinking Funimation are using the Japanese master this time around, but unfortunately that's not the case.

GwG pointed out that you can add www. to the front of the address and imgur works:

Edit: nevermind, I guess it doesn't

svenge · 02-03-2016, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangaranga

Repost due to Imgur being shit. Apologies!

BDinfo scan for Eva 3.33 attached.

You'd be excused for thinking Funimation are using the Japanese master this time around, but unfortunately that's not the case.

The banding is rather disappointing, as such I'm reconsidering whether or not to get the US release at all. My copy of the HK release has everything that the US version has (extras, booklet, etc) except for an English dub, and to mis-quote William S. Sessions: "Winners Don't Use Dubs".

Anyhow, here's a comparison of the specs for reference:

Japanese release
Video: AVC @ 39440 kbps
JP audio: LPCM 5.1 @ 4608 kbps (16-bit) / LPCM 2.0 @ 1536 kbps (16-bit)

US release
Video: AVC @ 31978 kbps
JP audio: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 @ 1675 kbps (16-bit)
EN audio: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 @ 2368 kbps (16-bit)

Girls With Guns · 02-03-2016, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaFox

GwG pointed out that you can add www. to the front of the address and imgur works:

Edit: nevermind, I guess it doesn't

Hey well, it was working yesterday by doing that - now I can only open it by right-clicking and selecting "open image in a new tab" and then adding the www. before the i.imgur.com... stupid image site.

BigOnAnime · 02-03-2016, 10:56 PM

Well while it won't embed, you can still copy and paste the Imgur URL, and it should show on Imgur itself.

And ah the banding, yep, that's the kind of banding I saw when watching it.

vincentric · 02-04-2016, 01:01 AM

Yep, as you dudes are already aware, the banding in funi's eva 3.33 looks pretty terribad, it occurs often and can be seen during normal viewing. Compression blocking looks fugly too, it can also be seen under normal viewing as it crawls around making matters worse. Won't bother with too many screenies here -

Despite having a lower video bitrate than its JP counterpart, Funi did give it a respectable amount of data nonetheless, 27.5 GB -

It breaks down to around 21 GB for the video and 6 GB for the audio.

That video data amount isn't too bad at all for 97 minutes, I've seen 2 hour Hollywood blockbusters receive less data than that. Which makes the compression issues in Funi's release all the more disappointing.

BigOnAnime · 02-04-2016, 01:21 AM

It also suffered from compression artifacts? Huh, didn't notice, but then again, the TV in my room is unfortunately only 32 inches and I sit a good distance away... The banding could be worse and more distracting though *Cough*Psycho-Pass, Black Lagoon, SE Lain*Cough*. Still wonder how it managed to turn out this way. They had how long to work on it? But then again, they also botched the Japanese credits which goes down on my FUNi Fails list, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

(May I finally get a bigger and better TV when I eventually have my own place At least I have a 5.1 surround sound system.)

vincentric · 02-04-2016, 02:18 AM

Yeah I think am just really sensitive to it. I can see the compression (made even worse by crawling) almost as bad as the banding in every other scene. Am viewing on a 40'' screen sitting around 8-10 feet away.

Here are just a few examples of it.

I can see a lot of crawling compression on the green wall and on misato's burgundy jacket -

I can see the crawling compression all over the screen in this one, the banding is also pretty bad -

I agree the banding isn't as bad as the titles you mentioned but I think it comes very close. I haven't explored the audio quality that much but as far as the video quality is concerned, this one is a major fail in many ways. Two year delay and we still get crappy video, thanks funi.

Mangaranga · 02-05-2016, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vincentric

Yeah I think am just really sensitive to it. I can see the compression (made even worse by crawling) almost as bad as the banding in every other scene. Am viewing on a 40'' screen sitting around 8-10 feet away.

Here are just a few examples of it.

Comparison shots with the JP BD. I can provide comparisons for the other screenshots if you have timestamps for them.

I was also planning to rewatch the BD using the JP BD materials and the dub from Funi's release, but it appears that the JP BD is 24fps whilst Funi's is 23.976. I did wonder why it would randomly desync after a while :/

vincentric · 02-06-2016, 12:28 AM

Wow, look at that difference. The banding and the compression artifacts have been greatly reduced, if not eliminated altogether, in the jp shots. Thanks for that, mangaranga, and for shame funi, for shame.

Here are timestamps for the other screenies - 1:05:14, 57:59, 58:03.

Let me know if there are any other scenes/screenshots that you would like me to match for more comparisons.

Naiera · 02-06-2016, 01:47 AM

I can't MakeMKV either of the Zvezda discs, so I'll just describe the issue.

Solids tend to pulsate. Backgrounds such as the night sky in the first episodes are the worst, with the entire screen sometimes just blinking like crazy. It's completely nuts. I don't remember seeing the issue this bad before, and definitely not on a Kazé disc.

The episodes are split 7/6, but the discs are 15 and 14 gigs, respectively

Sylontack · 02-06-2016, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naiera

I can't MakeMKV either of the Zvezda discs, so I'll just describe the issue.

Solids tend to pulsate. Backgrounds such as the night sky in the first episodes are the worst, with the entire screen sometimes just blinking like crazy. It's completely nuts. I don't remember seeing the issue this bad before, and definitely not on a Kazé disc.

The episodes are split 7/6, but the discs are 15 and 14 gigs, respectively

Kaze are such a joke Madman won't even use their discs anymore, we've missed out on some big shows on BD as a result.

Naiera · 02-06-2016, 12:22 PM

Plz help me get rid of these errors

[Show spoiler]

I was trying to open the first Terror in Resonance Blu-ray. It's nearly 45 gigs for 8 eps

vincentric · 02-06-2016, 02:35 PM

It looks like you have an outdated version of aacs and Terror in Resonance is refusing to open.

Have you installed MakeMKV 1.9.9 yet? That supports the latest version of aacs and should solve the errors. If you already have 1.9.9 installed with those errors then am not sure what else to recommend.

01-25-2016, 02:04 AM	#463
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	Episode 1 below. [Show spoiler] The audio is obviously not the same, as there is no 2.0 track to be found. Last edited by Naiera; 01-25-2016 at 11:18 AM.

01-25-2016, 02:45 AM	#464
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	And I didn't rip the lossless audio tracks this time either EDIT: Updated. Last edited by Naiera; 01-25-2016 at 11:19 AM.

02-04-2016, 01:21 AM	#473
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	It also suffered from compression artifacts? Huh, didn't notice, but then again, the TV in my room is unfortunately only 32 inches and I sit a good distance away... The banding could be worse and more distracting though CoughPsycho-Pass, Black Lagoon, SE LainCough. Still wonder how it managed to turn out this way. They had how long to work on it? But then again, they also botched the Japanese credits which goes down on my FUNi Fails list, so I shouldn't be too surprised. (May I finally get a bigger and better TV when I eventually have my own place At least I have a 5.1 surround sound system.) Last edited by BigOnAnime; 02-04-2016 at 01:34 AM.

01-24-2016, 02:49 PM	#461
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	I'd be happy to supply stats for the domestic US release if someone with at least one of the OVAs and a Blu-ray drive can do the same.

01-25-2016, 01:37 PM	#465
ApocalypseKnight Active Member Top contributor Member since:Nov 2010 Trading Score:2	Thanks guys! It's indeed really damn close.

02-03-2016, 02:42 PM	#466
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Checked out Battle Girls. Saw some slight to moderate banding and blocking here and there in the usual suspect areas (fast moving frames, dimly lit scenes, night sky, etc.), but was surprised to see it looking good for the most part. I kept expecting to see the pq turn to shit at any given moment but it held together nicely. Even fight scenes I nitpicked one frame at a time held up well to scrutiny. First 13 screencaps are from ep1, the rest from ep9 - The eps each have around 4.2, 4.3 GB of data - Around 3.8 gb for the video and 500 mb for the audio. I'll try capturing some Eva 3.33 stats and screens up next.

02-03-2016, 10:56 PM	#471
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	Well while it won't embed, you can still copy and paste the Imgur URL, and it should show on Imgur itself. And ah the banding, yep, that's the kind of banding I saw when watching it.

02-04-2016, 01:01 AM	#472
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Yep, as you dudes are already aware, the banding in funi's eva 3.33 looks pretty terribad, it occurs often and can be seen during normal viewing. Compression blocking looks fugly too, it can also be seen under normal viewing as it crawls around making matters worse. Won't bother with too many screenies here - Despite having a lower video bitrate than its JP counterpart, Funi did give it a respectable amount of data nonetheless, 27.5 GB - It breaks down to around 21 GB for the video and 6 GB for the audio. That video data amount isn't too bad at all for 97 minutes, I've seen 2 hour Hollywood blockbusters receive less data than that. Which makes the compression issues in Funi's release all the more disappointing.

02-04-2016, 02:18 AM	#474
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Yeah I think am just really sensitive to it. I can see the compression (made even worse by crawling) almost as bad as the banding in every other scene. Am viewing on a 40'' screen sitting around 8-10 feet away. Here are just a few examples of it. I can see a lot of crawling compression on the green wall and on misato's burgundy jacket - I can see the crawling compression all over the screen in this one, the banding is also pretty bad - I agree the banding isn't as bad as the titles you mentioned but I think it comes very close. I haven't explored the audio quality that much but as far as the video quality is concerned, this one is a major fail in many ways. Two year delay and we still get crappy video, thanks funi.

02-06-2016, 12:28 AM	#476
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Wow, look at that difference. The banding and the compression artifacts have been greatly reduced, if not eliminated altogether, in the jp shots. Thanks for that, mangaranga, and for shame funi, for shame. Here are timestamps for the other screenies - 1:05:14, 57:59, 58:03. Let me know if there are any other scenes/screenshots that you would like me to match for more comparisons.

02-06-2016, 01:47 AM	#477
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	I can't MakeMKV either of the Zvezda discs, so I'll just describe the issue. Solids tend to pulsate. Backgrounds such as the night sky in the first episodes are the worst, with the entire screen sometimes just blinking like crazy. It's completely nuts. I don't remember seeing the issue this bad before, and definitely not on a Kazé disc. The episodes are split 7/6, but the discs are 15 and 14 gigs, respectively

02-06-2016, 12:22 PM	#479
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	Plz help me get rid of these errors [Show spoiler] I was trying to open the first Terror in Resonance Blu-ray. It's nearly 45 gigs for 8 eps

02-06-2016, 02:35 PM	#480
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	It looks like you have an outdated version of aacs and Terror in Resonance is refusing to open. Have you installed MakeMKV 1.9.9 yet? That supports the latest version of aacs and should solve the errors. If you already have 1.9.9 installed with those errors then am not sure what else to recommend.

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