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Old 05-18-2020, 03:01 PM   #4841
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Do you have any more information on this? I have this in my collection and I would like to make sure I have the updated disc. Thanks!
yeah when bought this at bestbuy last year you'll see this, try rightstuff for good chance of the disc with proper subs

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Old 05-18-2020, 03:21 PM   #4842
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[Show spoiler]yeah when bought this at bestbuy last year you'll see this, try rightstuff for good chance of the disc with proper subs

Thanks for that. Weirdly enough my copy does not have a sticker but the barcode number is the same. Does that mean I have the corrected version? Are there any identifiers on the disc itself that determine if it's the newer release?
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Old 05-18-2020, 03:38 PM   #4843
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Thanks for that. Weirdly enough my copy does not have a sticker but the barcode number is the same. Does that mean I have the corrected version? Are there any identifiers on the disc itself that determine if it's the newer release?
sadly not. you'll have check if the subs match Japanese audio, note Jōnouchi Katsuya says damn a few times if it's proper subs
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Old 05-19-2020, 02:21 AM   #4844
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I've started watching Maiden Japan's BD of The Good Witch of the West and it's video quality is poor. The discs are 1080i but they won't deinterlace correctly as during most pans and movement there is a weird stuttering/ghosting effect. Not as bad as their botched SD-BDs but still messed up.

I'm not sure if the show was produced in SD or a low resolution but it's very soft and lacking detail. Aliasing and banding are prevalent too.

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Old 05-19-2020, 05:23 AM   #4845
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Yes. The Japanese releases are better encoded, plus some of them have the original audio mixes that are NOT present on the Nozomi/Rightstuf releases. Those are:

The Movie Trilogy (of the original series)
0083 Stardust Memory
08th MS Team
I'm beginning to wonder if I should just sell the Nozomi copies of those three that I currently have on the way and opt for the JP Library releases.

How much better looking/sounding are the JP Library editions compared to Nozomi's?
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Old 05-19-2020, 06:27 AM   #4846
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I wonder if the "Libraries" release of 0083 fixes the macroblocking issue?
https://fandompost.vbulletin.net/for...box#post581365

Kinda doubt it, considering Bandai said it was a master issue and not an encoding one.

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Old 05-19-2020, 06:37 AM   #4847
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^
Yeah, I was also wondering about that. That shot looked even poorer on the Nozomi BD because of the compression.

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I'm beginning to wonder if I should just sell the Nozomi copies of those three that I currently have on the way and opt for the JP Library releases.

How much better looking/sounding are the JP Library editions compared to Nozomi's?
Can't speak for Nozomi's picture quality of the movie trilogy and 08th MS Team since I don't have them, but I found the quality of the video compression in 0083 to be a bit mediocre. Compression should be much better on the Library Edition because of Bandai's higher video bitrates.

The Nozomi 0083 BD JP 2.0 track is a downmix of the 5.1 re-recorded version. The 5.1 re-recorded version uses very cheap sounding SFX. The Library edition has both the original 2.0 and 5.1 re-recorded version.

Nozomi's movie trilogy only has the 5.1ch track, all dialogue was redubbed and SFX are different (and not in a good way). JP Library only has the original mono track which I prefer over the 5.1ch.

I don't know if Nozomi's 08th MS Team has the original 2.0 Dolby Surround track, could also be a downmix of the 5.1 track.
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Old 05-19-2020, 03:20 PM   #4848
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Appreciate the response. I'll consider selling off my Nozomi 0083 and MS Team blu rays when they arrive then.

What about War in the Pocket?
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Old 05-19-2020, 07:14 PM   #4849
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Sentai (Maiden Japan) once fixed 2 OAV Votoms - OP? I have these artifacts on the media and I wonder if this is a faulty copy or it has never been repaired.

Like this:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-co...rison/DGKYWNNX
"Thank you for contacting us! I will be happy to address your inquiry. We are dependent upon the master copies that we obtain from the original licensors. As this is an older title, we do not have the ability to enhance picture quality based on the copies that we received. We will be sure to forward your feedback to our friends over at Maiden Japan, Thank you for your time and support. Have a great day!"
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Old 05-19-2020, 11:51 PM   #4850
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These Gundam Library releases with English subs seem promising and not too insanely expensive. I kind of wish all JP releases were like this.
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Old 05-20-2020, 01:15 AM   #4851
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I don't know if Nozomi's 08th MS Team has the original 2.0 Dolby Surround track, could also be a downmix of the 5.1 track.
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What about War in the Pocket?
I don't know anything about these mixes or what's what, but both 08th MS Team and 0080 sound to me like they have the same lines/sound effects on the 2.0/5.1 tracks. The difference being that on 08th the 5.1 mix is a little fuller-sounding, while on 0080 it's the opposite. There the 2.0 track sounds great, while the 5.1 mix sounds awfully hollow, distant and anemic.
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Old 05-20-2020, 01:44 AM   #4852
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I don't know anything about these mixes or what's what, but both 08th MS Team and 0080 sound to me like they have the same lines/sound effects on the 2.0/5.1 tracks. The difference being that on 08th the 5.1 mix is a little fuller-sounding, while on 0080 it's the opposite. There the 2.0 track sounds great, while the 5.1 mix sounds awfully hollow, distant and anemic.
Probably because 0080 never had a 5.1 track in Japan, so they either used the old one from the R1 DVDs or cheaply made a new one specifically for the US.
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Old 05-20-2020, 02:10 AM   #4853
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Probably because 0080 never had a 5.1 track in Japan, so they either used the old one from the R1 DVDs or cheaply made a new one specifically for the US.
That was my suspicion. Really a waste of effort as it's quite inferior to the 2.0 track.

5.1 has always been an iffy thing on this kind of stuff, and I feel sad for people who automatically assume it must be better because it's got those magic numbers. Personally I learned my lesson early in the DVD days: never ever trust 5.1 upmixes done stateside, and always compare against the 2.0 if available. Still bitter Funimation dropped the original 2.0 track for Samurai Champloo not once but twice for the BDs.
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The site's review of Promare from Shout/GKids is up.

The screencaps look pretty good. I see some artifacting in the screencaps, but it could just be due to JPEG compression;

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Seems like a solid release.
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Anyone have the Media Info for Promare US BluRay?
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Old 05-21-2020, 12:05 PM   #4856
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I have a 4K UHD friendly drive now.

Some test shots taken with MPC-HC+madvr (madvr set to BT.709 with gamma pure power curve 2.2, HDR->SDR 200 nits, BDs resized to 2160p with Jinc)

HK UHD - HK BD - JP BD - NL BD


HK UHD - HK BD - JP BD - NL BD


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Here you go - JP BD and JP UHD-BD. Same madVR settings, BD upscaled via gimp 2.8.

HK and JP appear to be not identical, but having said that, even with the same settings, I'd still be careful - there are just so many variables with this stuff. Colour wise the slight difference remains no matter what I do though, so I guess the difference is real. The JP BD isn't very good compression wise btw. - noticed some pixelation when I watched it back then.

1. BD upscaled | UHD 100 nits | 200 nits | 422 nits

2. BD upscaled | UHD 200 nits (said 222 nits, so one is good enough)


Here are the original 2 1080p BD caps just for demonstration purposes:


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The site's review of Promare from Shout/GKids is up.

The screencaps look pretty good. I see some artifacting in the screencaps, but it could just be due to JPEG compression;

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Seems like a solid release.
Do you think the Anime Limited release is going to have the same disc as the US? I’m hoping Gkids did the authoring and encoding and they shared it with them.
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Urusei Yatsura: Beautiful Dreamer (1984)
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1080p MPEG-4 AVC HD Native
1.74:1 Aspect Ratio
29.78 mbps
Japanese LPCM 2.0 Restored Dual Mono (48kHz, 16-bit)
Japanese LPCM 2.0 Unrestored Dual Mono (48kHz, 16-bit)
Japanese DTS-HD MA 5.1 (48kHz, 16-bit)
English LPCM 2.0 Dual Mono (48kHz, 16-bit)
Mamoru Oshii Commentary LPCM 2.0 (48kHz, 16-bit)

As has become the norm, I have taken a ton of screencaps. 130 in total, actually. They're from the full film, so don't look at everything unless you've seen the film or don't mind spoilers. The gallery is below:

Full screenshot gallery

First, the simple stuff. It is in both Japanese and English, has quite a few audio options, yellow subs, and has a very high bitrate encode with no compression issues. However, just saying that doesn't tell the full story.

Toho released Beautiful Dreamer on BD in Japan back in 2015, so you'd hope that a new scan and restoration was performed to give this masterpiece the release it deserves... but they didn't. This is an old scan, as evidenced by ghosting (as in, you can see parts of a previous frame in the next frame). When NLScavenger posted the stats on the disc when it came out, he hadn't seen the film, so only posted two screenshots that showed off its quality and ghosting. Having seen the disc in motion, sadly the ghosting is more severe than I expected... when it happens. The ghosting isn't a constant issue, as it only occasionally pops ip. That said, it's not always noticeable- the example of Ataru's hair ghosting in the car ride with Mendou is almost impossible to spot in motion, while the master shot of Tomobiki High School has some rather ugly ghosting, as a student yelling to the crowd moves on one of the pillars of the gates and jumps down. Now, the ghosting doesn't ruin the presentation- and unlike banding or macroblocking, it CAN be noticed by many non-videophiles just watching casually- but it is annoying when it does show up.



Ignoring the ghosting, how does it look? For an old telecine done in the early 2000s (Toho's DVD release is from 2002, and it uses the same master) it looks pretty damn good. Not perfect by any means, but considering the use of an old scan, I can't imagine it looking any better (besides a new restoration). Grain is very much present with no egregious DNR (which is the positive of using an older scan untouched, as compared to a Q-Tec full on smear fest), but the level varies scene by scene. There is great detail, and colors seem to be natural. Some edge enhancement is present, but only in certain shots. There is print damage, but it's fine by me, though I'm sure some people won't be a fan. And as expected of a Discotek release, compression is top notch, with a very high bitrate and no issues in motion (ghosting aside). Hell, even going frame by frame trying to find macroblocking, I couldn't find any. The compression is basically perfect (there may be some blocking, but I didn't see any, and you can't see it in motion) with beautifully rendered grain. Justin proves yet again why he's one of the best in the business.






On the aspect ratio- yes, it is in widescreen. 1.74:1 to be exact (I found out how many pixels were left black on either side of the frame and did simple math to determine the AR). As a certain forum member has pointed out countless times, the film has additional information when presented in 1.33:1 due to being 4:3 safe. Would it have been ideal to have both 4:3 and 16:9? Absolutely. But, Beautiful Dreamer, like Oshii's other films, has some of the best cinematography in all of anime, with striking compositions and filmmaking techniques rarely seen at all in animation, of which are greatly enhanced in widescreen due to the wider image. I remember that certain user only using a frame of Sakura-sensei on her bike to show off the difference. I mention that as, if one wasn't aware that it was 4:3 safe, you couldn't tell. The framing is superb, taking full advantage of the wider frame, and if it were a big deal like that user implied it to be, then there would be an obvious crop in the image, which I personally fail to see.

(Some of the best shots in the spoiler. I put it as a spoiler, as it really is one, and you should see the film to experience these moments)

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Now, the audio is the more interesting aspect, as there are quite a few options. I'll mainly be discussing the two Japanese mono tracks, being a purist who prefers the original audio language and mix.

It's rare to see both a restored and unrestored track of the exact same audio mix on a disc, and even rarer for anime, so how do they compare? The unrestored track wins hands down. That may be a shock to those not familiar with audio restoration for movies, but quite often, a lot of filtering (like noise reduction) is applied to the audio mix in hopes to remove flaws, which is good in theory, but reality is that the filtering has been egregiously applied, removing detail and dynamic range in the original audio mix. Not only that, but volume levels have been altered as well, or the filtering has lessened the intensity of certain cues. A good example is when Ataru and Mendou go on a drive into town in Chapter 4. As Ataru realizes the oddity of the situation, the music grows louder and more violent until a truck passes them. On the unrestored Japanese mono track, the music builds slowly and the payoff is great, while on the restored mono track, the buildup seems to have been lessened and the volume of the music is lower than in the unrestored track. The music is supposed to be overpowering, yet here it isn't. Here's a comparison in the dynamic range between them for this scene;



Another scene early on which suffers is the conversation between Sakura-sensei and Onsen-Mark in the cafe with a piano piece. In the unrestored mono, the music sounds as if it is being played live before you, and is of a similar volume to the dialogue, however, in the restored mono, it has been lessened and is very hard to hear. In addition, the dialogue, while sounding "cleaner," lacks the crunch of the unrestored track. I'm sure most people when testing the two tracks will prefer the restored track due to the cleaner sound, which is fair, but to my untrained ears, there is less dynamic range in addition to several mixing changes with regards to volume levels, which makes me favor the unrestored track. There is a slight hiss on the unrestored track, which is certainly noticeable when swapping tracks back and forth to compare, but within a few seconds, you get used to it, and doesn't become a distraction. The cafe scene dynamic range comparison is here;




The English dub actually has the best dynamic range of all the tracks, and it easily the best sounding in terms of clarity. Due to being dubbed in the 90s, the volume level changes weren't made, and there is less hissing than the unrestored JP mono. However, the dubbing is really bad, with awful acting. That said, as someone who watched Yu-Gi-Oh as a kid, it made for a good laugh as both Ataru and Mendou are voiced by the actor who played Joey Wheeler in the 4Kids dub of the series (Yu-Gi-Oh). The dub is a fun watch, but only as a secondary option. Credit should be given to Brady and TwistyGadget.com (his website, I assume?) for the dub audio restoration. It sounds fantastic.

I don't have a surround sound setup, but I seriously doubt the Japanese 5.1 track takes good advantage of the extra channels. It sounds nearly identical to the restored mono.

So to rate the video and audio:

Video: 7.5/10 (Near perfect presentation of an older master)
Restored JP Mono: 5/10
Unrestored JP Mono: 8/10
JP 5.1: 5/10
English dub Mono: 9/10

The translation seems to be based on the older DVD by CPM from what I can tell, with some changes. That's fine, as it is very good with no major issues. Subtitles are yellow for dialogue, with text translations being white, as per usual with Discotek (which I like, as it makes it easier for people I know with vision issues to read them).

Beautiful Dreamer is a must own Blu-ray. The picture quality I feel is excellent, the unrestored JP mono track is superb, Oshii's commentary alone is worth the purchase due to its quality, and also it's a damn good movie. Plus, buying it and the other Urusei Yatsura movies down the road shows support for the franchise, and increases the chances of Discotek licensing the TV series for BD (they may have already, but I have no clue).
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Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory OVA - Nozomi / Anime Limited UK BD

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The compression leaves much to be desired, to say the least.

The worst shot I've come across so far is this one from episode 12, which also happens to be the shot with the corrupted frames:

Nozomi BD


2016 JP BD (screenshot from Schmullus)


2006 HD Remastered DVD (screenshot from Schmullus)



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Episode #01

Code:
Disc Title: Gundam 0083 BD1
Disc Label: GUNDAM0083BD1
Disc Size: 49,952,748,105 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00001.MPLS
Size: 6,857,459,712 bytes
Length: 0:26:48.565
Total Bitrate: 34.10 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 19600 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  4608 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  4608 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Subtitle: English / 52.287 kbps
Subtitle: English / 5.195 kbps


Episode #02

Code:
Disc Title: Gundam 0083 BD1
Disc Label: GUNDAM0083BD1
Disc Size: 49,952,748,105 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00002.MPLS
Size: 6,196,199,424 bytes
Length: 0:27:15.258
Total Bitrate: 30.31 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 15972 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  4608 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  4608 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Subtitle: English / 45.907 kbps
Subtitle: English / 6.138 kbps


Episode #12

Code:
Disc Title: Gundam 0083 BD2
Disc Label: GUNDAM0083BD2
Disc Size: 49,546,906,820 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00005.MPLS
Size: 7,509,491,712 bytes
Length: 0:27:55.340
Total Bitrate: 35.86 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 21299 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  4608 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz /  4608 kbps / 16-bit
Subtitle: English / 6.471 kbps
Subtitle: English / 33.945 kbps


The Japanese PCM 2.0 is a downmix of the 5.1ch 2006 redub and not the original 1990 version.

Comparison original 1990 and 2006 redub (spoiler alert)
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I know bitrate means jack if the settings are good, but here I legit think that a higher video bitrate by placing it on more discs would've helped compression. I mean, their releases with more space dedicated to each episode have WAY better compression than that, so I think that they may have been relying too much on bitrate with their general settings.

Honestly, that's pretty fugly. Combine it with not including the original JP audio mix, and it's an easy pass for me.
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