The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 26 - Blu-ray Forum

sammy033 · 02-10-2016, 10:21 PM

Also have to consider eyesight. My eyes are not as good as they used to be and at a typical distance on my 40" tv I wouldnt be able to spot minor differences. Color banding does bug me tho and its the easiest for me to spot. Could be worse I suppose like cable/sat tv.

vincentric · 02-10-2016, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mangaranga

Looked at a JP BDrip and compared it with Funi's BD. Unfortunately I think you're going to have to direct your complaints towards Warner Japan in this case. The awful banding and that horrendous shimmering are both present in the source evidently. Can't comment on compression issues since they're both heavily compressed in comparison, but I imagine most, if not all the issues stem from the JP BD encode. I'm not defending Funi in any way considering Eva looked like shit, but it appears to be a bit like Sentai's Chuunibyou IMO - they did what they could with a bad source.

Speaking of Sentai. Couple of pages back I noted that the text for the OP/ED text credits of K-On! looked like shit, something which I put down to being a side effect of using HDCAM masters, but every single Sentai release I've looked at authored by their new guy suffers from the issue. Seems a bit strange that we can get a competent picture as a whole, but compression around text falls apart completely.

Had a feeling in the back of my mind that was the case - Funi usually does not provide that much data - 8eps at 45gb is mostly unheard of from them. Screw Warner JP then.

Speaking of text, that's where I noticed most of the edge sharpening in Railgun - some signs, titles, etc. have a weird looking halo surrounding them which is a telltale artifact of artificial sharpening. I noticed it around some objects too such as windmills and houses but to a lesser degree.

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Originally Posted by Naiera

It's been established time and time again that reviewers, in general, don't know shit about video quality

+9000

Not to get off topic too much but I've seen many of the latest BD releases such as Sicario, and Last Witch Hunter to name a few. While both exhibit pretty nice looking PQ overall, the reviews that I've read here and elsewhere all fail to mention some of the cons that I noticed. Sicario has some nasty and noticeable compression blocking going on in a few of its night time scenes. And Last Witch Hunter has some very ugly banding in a few of its fight scenes. Am planning to pick up the UHD disc for both and am curious to see if the problems carry over to that version.

BigOnAnime · 02-10-2016, 10:58 PM

Wait, Hollywood manages to screw up Blu-rays of recently released movies in this day and age? And banding in live-action, that's something I haven't heard of too much. Care to show an example? I currently don't have much of a movie collection (Hoping to fix that eventually as I do watch lots of movies). And huh, both of those you mentioned are Lionsgate.

As for what my eyes can spot, I'm generally pretty good at spotting banding, artifacting, dot crawl, rainbows, sometimes aliasing (depends on how severe), macroblocking, and sometimes posterization, though I'm able to stomach some of it due to having watched streaming anime for so long (And sometimes can't spot things due to not paying enough attention to it while watching), though some of these issues can be absolute suffering (Exhibits A, B, and C). Compression artifacts, halos, and ringing are things I'm not too good at spotting.

pikagreg · 02-10-2016, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

Wait, Hollywood manages to screw up Blu-rays of recently released movies in this day and age?

I remember people saying some current WB movies had terrible menus similar to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. No idea about AV quality though.

BigOnAnime · 02-10-2016, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pikagreg

I remember people saying some current WB movies had terrible menus similar to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. No idea about AV quality though.

Yeah (And Mad Max: Fury Road got hit, as well as Edge of Tomorrow, the cheap bastards

), but those are menus. Though I wish studios here gave more of a damn about the presentation. I want at least good menus, disc art (Universal, you're the WORST with this), and inside art, sadly only a few seem to care (It seems only Fox, Sony, and Lionsgate still do disc art).

vincentric · 02-10-2016, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

Wait, Hollywood manages to screw up Blu-rays of recently released movies in this day and age? And banding in live-action, that's something I haven't heard of too much. Care to show an example? I currently don't have much of a movie collection (Hoping to fix that eventually as I do watch lots of movies). And huh, both of those you mentioned are Lionsgate.

As for what my eyes can spot, I'm generally pretty good at spotting banding, artifacting, dot crawl, rainbows, sometimes aliasing (depends on how severe), macroblocking, and sometimes posterization, though I'm able to stomach some of it due to having watched streaming anime for so long (And sometimes can't spot things due to not paying enough attention to it while watching), though some of these issues can be absolute suffering (Exhibits A, B, and C). Compression artifacts, halos, and ringing are things I'm not too good at spotting.

Yep, mostly from Lionsgate as of late (have seen video anomalies in other studio releases too but LG is the worst).

I haven't ripped the BD for Last Witch Hunter yet so no screencaps of the banding but I can describe it. During the bar fight, around the time it catches fire, you can see some really ugly banding. I don't remember the exact timestamp though.

Sicario - look at the top middle half of the screen, and along the left hand edge as well, it's bathed in compression blocking -

The worst of the absolute worst has to go to Mokingjay 1 though. The movie runs for two hours and was only given around 16 GB of data for its video. Just terrible. Compression blocking is a major issue and can be seen everywhere. Posterization is also an issue and banding makes an appearance several times, as well. Here are a few examples of the most noticeable instances of the banding -

BigOnAnime · 02-11-2016, 12:00 AM

What the....? They couldn't treat even Mockingjay right? Lionsgate isn't exactly a super big studio like say Warner Bros. or Universal, but they can't treat their biggest franchise, Hunger Games right? Did they get at least Catching Fire right, the biggest in the franchise by far?

Also huh, I'm able to spot the compression blocking way easier here, guess it's easier for me to spot in live-action as opposed to animation.

vincentric · 02-11-2016, 12:30 AM

Catching Fire fares better - higher bitrate and less banding and blocking but... the picture is still on the poor side. It still contains banding, and it is still data starved at almost two and a half hours in length, they only gave the video around 22 GB. Not enough and it shows, there are a lot of compressed looking moments. Here's a quick look at some of the banding and blocking -

Mangaranga · 02-12-2016, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

Now we have more reason for someone to finally pick at it. Someone just let me know that someone made a comment that supposedly these BD's are a MPEG2 encode, as in, a DVD codec IIRC. This was a comment someone made on this Facebook post from Media Blasters.

I asked someone on another forum who owns the release and they state their PS4 lists the video codec as MPEG-2... Looks like we were too quick to give MB the benefit of the doubt. Still, it begs the question. If you can't even encode using AVC, why bother using two BD50s - especially when you're a company in their position?

Ccharmanderk · 02-12-2016, 11:57 PM

Since it got released, can I get some screencaps of the Pokémon Movies 1-3 steelbook? I want to get it for The Power of One and Mystery of the Unown, but the Pokémon movies have never had good US masters and I need to know if they've been updated to the Japanese restorations or not (you can tell if Mewtwo Strikes Back is restored because aside from much better video, Machamp doesn't come out of his Pokéball twice and Squirtle's Bubble attack is CG).

svenge · 02-13-2016, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

What the....? They couldn't treat even Mockingjay right? Lionsgate isn't exactly a super big studio like say Warner Bros. or Universal, but they can't treat their biggest franchise, Hunger Games right? Did they get at least Catching Fire right, the biggest in the franchise by far?

The consensus (at least according to Caps-a-Holic) is that Lionsgate's release of "Catching Fire" was OK. Not great, but there aren't any alternatives that are significantly better for that film.

As for Mockingjay Pt. 1, fortunately the Japanese release from Sony is much better than Lionsgate's in terms of banding. Sony is going to re-release a single-disc discounted version of it on March 23rd for ¥1500 (as the initial JP releases had two and three BDs, with the third disc being more Japan-centric), so the most cost-effective thing to do is keep the US release for the sake of bonus features and get this JP version for the PQ.

Naiera · 02-13-2016, 02:06 PM

Below are the stats for UK GITS: Innocence. Doesn't look like I can skip the Japanese release. Yes, I know that the first one of those had MPEG-2

[Show spoiler]

Naiera · 02-13-2016, 02:16 PM

Zvezda

[Show spoiler]

kk1 · 02-13-2016, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

Zvezda

[Show spoiler]

So basically DVD quality on a blu-ray and the language is Javanese?

StefaanD · 02-13-2016, 10:27 PM

Well that's Kazé 'quality', not much of a surprise for me.

Naiera · 02-13-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kk1

So basically DVD quality on a blu-ray and the language is Javanese?

I'd still watch it if I could make the blinkies go away. The show seems great.

Nostalgic Twilight · 02-14-2016, 12:19 AM

Does anyone know if the JP Blu-rays of Higurashi's first season are 1080i? The only reason that I ask is because the back cover of Sentai's release lists the video as 1080p, yet my player states it's interlaced.

Sylontack · 02-14-2016, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostalgic Twilight

Does anyone know if the JP Blu-rays of Higurashi's first season are 1080i? The only reason that I ask is because the back cover of Sentai's release lists the video as 1080p, yet my player states it's interlaced.

Pretty sure it was 1080i. The upcoming anniversary SD Blu-Ray is 480i too.

BigOnAnime · 02-14-2016, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

Zvezda

[Show spoiler]

The hell is with it saying it's exactly 30fps? Isn't the show 24fps (Not 100% exact) like 99.9% of anime these days?

Naiera · 02-14-2016, 08:18 AM

That's the sound. Dunno why it says that. The video is 23.976.

02-10-2016, 10:21 PM	#501
sammy033 Active Member Member since:Oct 2015	Also have to consider eyesight. My eyes are not as good as they used to be and at a typical distance on my 40" tv I wouldnt be able to spot minor differences. Color banding does bug me tho and its the easiest for me to spot. Could be worse I suppose like cable/sat tv.

02-10-2016, 10:58 PM	#503
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	Wait, Hollywood manages to screw up Blu-rays of recently released movies in this day and age? And banding in live-action, that's something I haven't heard of too much. Care to show an example? I currently don't have much of a movie collection (Hoping to fix that eventually as I do watch lots of movies). And huh, both of those you mentioned are Lionsgate. As for what my eyes can spot, I'm generally pretty good at spotting banding, artifacting, dot crawl, rainbows, sometimes aliasing (depends on how severe), macroblocking, and sometimes posterization, though I'm able to stomach some of it due to having watched streaming anime for so long (And sometimes can't spot things due to not paying enough attention to it while watching), though some of these issues can be absolute suffering (Exhibits A, B, and C). Compression artifacts, halos, and ringing are things I'm not too good at spotting.

02-11-2016, 12:00 AM	#507
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	What the....? They couldn't treat even Mockingjay right? Lionsgate isn't exactly a super big studio like say Warner Bros. or Universal, but they can't treat their biggest franchise, Hunger Games right? Did they get at least Catching Fire right, the biggest in the franchise by far? Also huh, I'm able to spot the compression blocking way easier here, guess it's easier for me to spot in live-action as opposed to animation.

02-11-2016, 12:30 AM	#508
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Catching Fire fares better - higher bitrate and less banding and blocking but... the picture is still on the poor side. It still contains banding, and it is still data starved at almost two and a half hours in length, they only gave the video around 22 GB. Not enough and it shows, there are a lot of compressed looking moments. Here's a quick look at some of the banding and blocking -

02-12-2016, 11:57 PM	#510
Ccharmanderk Active Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2015	Since it got released, can I get some screencaps of the Pokémon Movies 1-3 steelbook? I want to get it for The Power of One and Mystery of the Unown, but the Pokémon movies have never had good US masters and I need to know if they've been updated to the Japanese restorations or not (you can tell if Mewtwo Strikes Back is restored because aside from much better video, Machamp doesn't come out of his Pokéball twice and Squirtle's Bubble attack is CG).

02-13-2016, 02:06 PM	#512
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	Below are the stats for UK GITS: Innocence. Doesn't look like I can skip the Japanese release. Yes, I know that the first one of those had MPEG-2 [Show spoiler]

02-13-2016, 02:16 PM	#513
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	Zvezda [Show spoiler]

02-13-2016, 10:27 PM	#515
StefaanD Senior Member Top contributor Member since:May 2010 4K collection:95 Blu-ray collection:5451 DVD collection:577 Blu-ray reviews:1	Well that's Kazé 'quality', not much of a surprise for me.

02-14-2016, 12:19 AM	#517
Nostalgic Twilight Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2015 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:436 DVD collection:390 Trading Score:20	Does anyone know if the JP Blu-rays of Higurashi's first season are 1080i? The only reason that I ask is because the back cover of Sentai's release lists the video as 1080p, yet my player states it's interlaced.

02-14-2016, 08:18 AM	#520
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	That's the sound. Dunno why it says that. The video is 23.976.

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