The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 308 - Blu-ray Forum

kk1 · 08-11-2021, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

Just upscaling footage should not produce these artifacts. The error likely comes from blending 60i footage to 24p (assuming that's the actual frame rate).
Distributors needs to understand that it is daijobu to use interlaced footage on a blu-ray.

Also I don't understand why any company would stick to any MPEG-2 encoders past 2015. x264 is now widely renowed with blu-ray compatibility. You can be like Madman Ent., just throw the raw japanese master at it and it should look passable. I suppose they do it because they rely on some MPEG-2 only compatible old software...

It always boggles my mind people on internet forums know this but actual businesses who should don't.

Spoofer · 08-11-2021, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevers7290

Media Blasters continues to prove that they should not be in the business of releasing anime on physical media (or still be in business at all for that matter).

In a world that is ever-changing and increasingly uncertain, I've grown to develop some perverse nostalgic appreciation for the fact that I can always count on Media Blasters to bungle their releases with predictable consistency, for over two decades now.

Ccharmanderk · 08-12-2021, 07:01 PM

Does Media Blasters have any releases they've done in the last few years that are actually any good? The only release I have from them on Blu-ray is season one of Ika Musume, which is a pretty good set but that was right before they downsized their operations.

professorwho · 08-13-2021, 11:14 PM

Future Boy Conan: 2011 Japanese Blu-ray vs 2021 Italian Blu-ray
(Bandai Visual, Japan; Dynit, Italy)

Code:

https://slow.pics/c/t5Woz6da

Caps taken by a friend who shared this with me. The JP BD is the older restoration, while the IT BD is the new 4K restoration. Very interesting differences in framing, and more importantly, colour grading. The newer restoration has quite a bit of DNR as is the norm now, but still has good detail levels, and isn't totally scrubbed away. Both were sourced from scans of the 35mm Original Camera Negative.

Unfortunately, the Dynit BD appears to have replaced the Japanese text with Italian (I thought Dynit stopped doing that long ago...), so hopefully the GKids BD can preserve the original telop.

I was also told that the 16:9 cropped version in the IT BD box set uses the older 2011 restoration instead, so that is worth mentioning if one is considering Dynit's release.

Ccharmanderk · 08-14-2021, 12:39 AM

If this is what the upcoming GKids release is going to look like, I think I'll be happy with it. Not a fan of DNR, but it seems to at least be tastefully done, and the color grading is a bit brighter and seems a but less murky than the earlier remaster.

Spoofer · 08-14-2021, 01:44 AM

DNR is the work of the devil. Yeah, it's not as bad as it could be, but it looks nothing like it should.

SpazeBlue · 08-14-2021, 02:05 AM

Not seeing much detail loss (if there's any) in the new version, but I still prefer the look of the older one.

Ccharmanderk · 08-14-2021, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpazeBlue

Not seeing much detail loss (if there's any) in the new version, but I still prefer the look of the older one.

Yeah, given the option I'd go for the older remaster in a heartbeat, but I don't think the new one is nearly as awful as it had the capacity to be.

Kyle15 · 08-14-2021, 04:55 AM

That DNR job is pretty groady. Not the worst, but it's a big nope from me! They need to quit touching that stuff and leave it well alone. Yuck!

SpaceDandy · 08-14-2021, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Unfortunately, the Dynit BD appears to have replaced the Japanese text with Italian (I thought Dynit stopped doing that long ago...), so hopefully the GKids BD can preserve the original telop

I think mp3dom said it was just dependant of the project and its popularity. Future Boy Conan being huge in Italy, they went all out on it. I don't see why people mind with those telops that matches, or closely, the Japanese one. It's not Funimation's.

Too bad the first HD master has this red tint.

Ccharmanderk · 08-15-2021, 06:27 AM

Looking through those screens again, there is one other problem I see aside from the DNR that I'm not a fan of.

Looking at the wall in the background of screenshot #6 (https://slow.pics/c/OtHU6AQD), there's some evident black crush in the new remaster. The contrast seems to have been boosted in the process of regrading the image, and the result pushed the dark areas down to where some detail is lost.

NLScavenger · 08-15-2021, 07:07 AM

The blacks are blacker on the newer remaster, but there's detail present in the blacks if you check in an image editor.

mp3dom · 08-17-2021, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

I think mp3dom said it was just dependant of the project and its popularity. Future Boy Conan being huge in Italy, they went all out on it.

We had to put credits for some ancient italian stuff like italian song et all.
Btw, yes, it depends on each project. Most of the times we leave it as is, with the original telops, but sometimes there are other needs.

BigOnAnime · 08-19-2021, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Funimation UK

Unfortunately, our release of K-ON! Complete Collection Blu-ray Limited Edition has playback issues across certain discs. As such, please contact the retailer that you purchased this from to arrange a return. We will update on re-issue plans as soon as we can.

https://twitter.com/funimationUK/sta...95746335350784

Quote:

The Anime UK News website previously reported buyers' comments that the video image on the K-ON! release flickers at specific points during playback. According to Anime UK News, this issue has been seen on the following players: LG 4K Player, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X.

Additionally, Anime UK News reports that for other Blu-ray players, "Rather than displaying the corrupted frames, instead it slows down, speeds up, or skips the frame entirely for a split second before resuming the scene normally (the audio remains unaffected)." Anime UK News reports that this issue has been seen on the Panasonic 4K Player, the Panasonic Blu-ray Player, the Sony 4K Player and the Samsung Blu-ray Player.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...lu-ray/.176405

NormanicGrav · 08-20-2021, 06:10 PM

If you think the flickering is the only fault, well there's more.

TL;DR The UK Blu-ray release was a trainwreck from the start.

Naiera · 08-21-2021, 01:39 AM

That gif in your post is simply legendary.

Yami · 08-21-2021, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Future Boy Conan: 2011 Japanese Blu-ray vs 2021 Italian Blu-ray
(Bandai Visual, Japan; Dynit, Italy)

Code:

https://slow.pics/c/t5Woz6da

Caps taken by a friend who shared this with me. The JP BD is the older restoration, while the IT BD is the new 4K restoration. Very interesting differences in framing, and more importantly, colour grading. The newer restoration has quite a bit of DNR as is the norm now, but still has good detail levels, and isn't totally scrubbed away. Both were sourced from scans of the 35mm Original Camera Negative.

Thanks for that, Prof. I think it looks excellent - as you say, the detail is preserved despite some DNR and there is still some grain there, better resolved as would be expected from the 4K resolution the new restoration was performed at.

SpaceDandy · 08-22-2021, 05:07 PM

In This Corner of the World / Kono sekai no katasumi ni (France - ESC Editions)
Authoring: Uncredited, probably ESC in-house.
Full movie gallery (No spoiler)

Bitrate (Avg 23.41, max 47.96 Mbps)
MediaInfo:

[Show spoiler]

Code:

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Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:Chapter 01
00:12:02.240                             : en:Chapter 02
00:21:50.080                             : en:Chapter 03
00:31:56.560                             : en:Chapter 04
00:40:04.640                             : en:Chapter 05
00:49:11.640                             : en:Chapter 06
00:55:51.920                             : en:Chapter 07
01:06:08.400                             : en:Chapter 08
01:11:58.560                             : en:Chapter 09
01:22:23.400                             : en:Chapter 10
01:33:17.160                             : en:Chapter 11
01:54:01.680                             : en:Chapter 12

>Change framerate to PAL then encode the progressive footage as MBAFF and flag it as interlaced so that it complies with blu-ray specs

The movie has numerous on-screen text with the many timeskips. This release hardsubs those texts. Those are alright. However, they hardsubbed the subtitles for the main theme and the opening credits. The chosen font & color generates a lot of artifacts. There's some banding at places as well.
I won't go over the issues that comes from flagging the video as interlaced. You can see it in the captures I did of the credits, with the font loosing consistency.

pikagreg · 08-23-2021, 03:44 PM

Was there ever a release for the extended version of In This Corner of the World?

SpaceDandy · 08-23-2021, 04:52 PM

Only in Japan. There has been no indication so far that the extended version will be released elsewhere in any form. Since the title is distributed by Manga UK around the world, you would have to ask them.

08-13-2021, 11:14 PM	#6144
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Future Boy Conan: 2011 Japanese Blu-ray vs 2021 Italian Blu-ray (Bandai Visual, Japan; Dynit, Italy) Code: https://slow.pics/c/t5Woz6da Caps taken by a friend who shared this with me. The JP BD is the older restoration, while the IT BD is the new 4K restoration. Very interesting differences in framing, and more importantly, colour grading. The newer restoration has quite a bit of DNR as is the norm now, but still has good detail levels, and isn't totally scrubbed away. Both were sourced from scans of the 35mm Original Camera Negative. Unfortunately, the Dynit BD appears to have replaced the Japanese text with Italian (I thought Dynit stopped doing that long ago...), so hopefully the GKids BD can preserve the original telop. I was also told that the 16:9 cropped version in the IT BD box set uses the older 2011 restoration instead, so that is worth mentioning if one is considering Dynit's release.

08-12-2021, 07:01 PM	#6143
Ccharmanderk Active Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2015	Does Media Blasters have any releases they've done in the last few years that are actually any good? The only release I have from them on Blu-ray is season one of Ika Musume, which is a pretty good set but that was right before they downsized their operations.

08-14-2021, 12:39 AM	#6145
Ccharmanderk Active Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2015	If this is what the upcoming GKids release is going to look like, I think I'll be happy with it. Not a fan of DNR, but it seems to at least be tastefully done, and the color grading is a bit brighter and seems a but less murky than the earlier remaster.

08-14-2021, 01:44 AM	#6146
Spoofer Active Member Member since:Jan 2011	DNR is the work of the devil. Yeah, it's not as bad as it could be, but it looks nothing like it should.

08-14-2021, 02:05 AM	#6147
SpazeBlue Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Feb 2019 Location:Idahoe 4K collection:117 Blu-ray collection:211 Blu-ray reviews:2	Not seeing much detail loss (if there's any) in the new version, but I still prefer the look of the older one.

08-14-2021, 04:55 AM	#6149
Kyle15 Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jan 2011 Location:Alabama 4K collection:151 Blu-ray collection:393 DVD collection:8 Trading Score:5	That DNR job is pretty groady. Not the worst, but it's a big nope from me! They need to quit touching that stuff and leave it well alone. Yuck!

08-15-2021, 06:27 AM	#6151
Ccharmanderk Active Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2015	Looking through those screens again, there is one other problem I see aside from the DNR that I'm not a fan of. Looking at the wall in the background of screenshot #6 (https://slow.pics/c/OtHU6AQD), there's some evident black crush in the new remaster. The contrast seems to have been boosted in the process of regrading the image, and the result pushed the dark areas down to where some detail is lost.

08-15-2021, 07:07 AM	#6152
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:831 Trading Score:9	The blacks are blacker on the newer remaster, but there's detail present in the blacks if you check in an image editor.

08-20-2021, 06:10 PM	#6155
NormanicGrav Power Member Top contributor Member since:Jul 2015 Location:England, United Kingdom 4K collection:194 Blu-ray collection:2186	If you think the flickering is the only fault, well there's more. TL;DR The UK Blu-ray release was a trainwreck from the start.

08-21-2021, 01:39 AM	#6156
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	That gif in your post is simply legendary.

08-23-2021, 03:44 PM	#6159
pikagreg Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2014 Location:Southern California Trading Score:13	Was there ever a release for the extended version of In This Corner of the World?

08-23-2021, 04:52 PM	#6160
SpaceDandy Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2018	Only in Japan. There has been no indication so far that the extended version will be released elsewhere in any form. Since the title is distributed by Manga UK around the world, you would have to ask them.

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