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sammy033 · 04-15-2016, 06:19 PM

To have checks that matter I would assume whatever disc they get would have to be ripped so it could be analyzed. Otherwise there would be no point. Which of course is a legal gray area in the US so long as its only used for personal 'backup' purposes. Certainly not legal at all for commercial purposes.

SeaFox · 04-15-2016, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammy033

To have checks that matter I would assume whatever disc they get would have to be ripped so it could be analyzed. Otherwise there would be no point. Which of course is a legal gray area in the US so long as its only used for personal 'backup' purposes. Certainly not legal at all for commercial purposes.

If we can sit here with screenshot comparison sites and see the differences I'm pretty sure we can do something without ripping the disc.

sammy033 · 04-15-2016, 07:29 PM

True we can. At least for naked eye tests. However would that be acceptable for commercial work using web distributed images where there is no guarantee there hasnt been color tweaking already? And usually lossy jpegs of an already lossy source?

Q: How did you do all the color checks?
A:I used screenshots I got off the internet.

SeaFox · 04-15-2016, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammy033

True we can. At least for naked eye tests. However would that be acceptable for commercial work using web distributed images where there is no guarantee there hasnt been color tweaking already?

Gee, I dunno. Since not making any comparisons at all seems to be acceptable for commercial work now. Do you think they would accept naked eye tests?

I'll more accurately rewrite your second part:

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Q: How did you do all the color checks?
A:I used screenshots I took of key scenes in the Japanese release, and compared them to sample encodes I did.

It's funny you mentioned sourcing stuff from the Internet, because I might have said "heck you can get fan rip encodings from the Internet", except (besides that not being kosher legally) that wouldn't be a real sample from the Japanese disc -- because the high-quality ripper have been known to fix things wrong with the Japanese release.

vincentric · 04-16-2016, 12:39 PM

As per BOA's request (and anyone else interested), nitpicked Kaze's Code Geass.

The Good - most if not all the daytime scenes, of which there are plenty, look good. Even darker and fast moving action scenes, where banding and blocking are most visible, look good -

The Bad - there are still noticeable banding and blocking, ranging from slight to moderate, that occur more frequently than I would have liked -

The Fugly - there are instances of severe blocking and banding along with some heavy aliasing, but these moments occur less frequently -

The picture has its share of flaws but I was expecting a lot worse. The good outweighs the bad, and the moments of fugly occur even less. I've, we've, seen worse output from Funi and Sentai.

Here are some stats. The 25 eps are split 13-12 across two discs. Each episode averages 2.9 GB of data -

2.4 GB for the video and 500 MB for the audio.

I'll try to get some DVD comparisons up on Monday or Tuesday.

Mangaranga · 04-16-2016, 05:29 PM

I was copied in on a post on twitter asking about the quality of Anime Limited's (AL from here on) release of Kill La Kill here in the UK. Being the crazy man I am, I own both the US and UK releases, so I've done some comparisons for the first episode.

First of all, let's get the differences and the bad stuff out of the way. Aniplex's BD features two 24bit PCM audio tracks at a constant 2.3mbps whereas AL's disc has 16bit JP/24bit English DTS HD MA tracks. AL's Episode 1 suffers from a mono Japanese language track, exactly the same issue that plagued almost every episode on their Gurren Lagann release. This is only the case for the first episode this time around however as it does not seem to crop up again in the later episodes/sets. The only other mark against AL's release is the fact that the sign subtitles for disc 1 (episodes 1 - 4) are hardsubbed and cannot be removed. (AoA for comparison). Data wise, both releases are spread across five dual layer discs. Aniplex's files weigh in at their standard size of 7gb+ whereas AL's encodes are ~6.1gb each.

With that out of the way, let's move onto the screenshot comparisons.

I'm sure other people with better knowledge may dig a bit deeper than myself, but for the most part Anime Limited's release holds up pretty well in my eyes. Kill La Kill has some sort of grain filter applied to it, and it's evident that some of this has been smoothed out during encoding causing an ever so slightly softer image in places. There's no issues with difference in brightness/contrast like the UK releases of Fate/Zero and Sword Art Online II (Both of which were authored by Madman in Australia whereas this was done in the UK), however I did notice in a few fast moving scenes near the end of the episode that some of the red line art looks both sharper and more vibrant compared to Aniplex's release (See screenshots 7 & 8). Both releases have quite noisy video and AL's understandably suffers slightly moreso in this area. Banding wise - there was literally this one instance where I noticed it, and even then I had to really look for it.

Issues with the first four episodes aside, I think this one appears to hold up pretty well compared to the US/JP releases. Whilst I'll still be going to my AoA sets for any future viewings of the series, at this time I could really only recommend that for diehard fans of the series who demand the absolute best quality available. Standard edition releases of the show are being released here at ~£20 per part (over three parts), so for the difference in price and the fact that the quality is still good, I have no problems recommending those.

Just a small note here as well in case anyone is wondering, these sets are 100% locked and there doesn't seem to be a workaround. Funnily enough, when I set my Blu-ray player to region A it wouldn't even play the disc at all. The only other title that's done this is for me is Discotek's Jigen's Gravestone release.

SeaFox · 04-16-2016, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vincentric

As per BOA's request (and anyone else interested), nitpicked Kaze's Code Geass.

The Bad - there are still noticeable banding and blocking, ranging from slight to moderate, that occur more frequently than I would have liked -

Well that's not good -- because we're talking about Funimation being the ones to license recuse this. If there's banding here now, think how much there's going to be once they brightness boost all the dark scenes and do their own encode.

BigOnAnime · 04-17-2016, 06:45 AM

Brightness doesn't necessarily cause banding. This was shown with Lain. FUNi's release didn't suffer from banding because of the brightness, and it wasn't because of disc space either.
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post150557

SeaFox · 04-17-2016, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

Brightness doesn't necessarily cause banding.

No, but brightness boosting can make banding present in masters more noticeable (see: Steins;Gate).

mp3dom · 04-17-2016, 11:57 AM

Boosting brightness alters the original banding in a "negligible" way if done properly (there's no reason to do that, but if you really want...).
The problem for Lain, Steins Gate, Psycho Pass (etc) releases (in US, but happens for other distributors outside US as well) is that the brightness was changed unintentionally and it's due to a wrong workflow.
They simply ingest the source file to the encoder without correctly specifying the right characteristics (i.e. "automatic" mode). In this automatic mode, the encoder assumes wrong parameters and alters the gamma, do useless and lossy colorspace conversion with poor precision and so on (and so the banding appears).
There's obviously a workaround to this, but probably nobody was aware of it.
Other releases like "Cowboy Bebop" doesn't have this problem at all simply because... they're using another encoder who correctly guess the parameters in the right way.

There's no "IRE" differencies between US and JP in digital domain. All the levels should be *identical*. If not, then it's wrong.

BigOnAnime · 04-17-2016, 12:53 PM

Was just pointing out when one corrects the brightness for SE Lain, FUNi's release still has banding, the JP doesn't. Though FUNi still messed up with that one.
(And as I remember when the controversy started, like usual they tried to sweep the issues under the rug to look perfect, FUNi NEVER wants to admit they made a mistake for anything.)

mp3dom · 04-17-2016, 01:38 PM

FUNi didn't setup the encoder properly so it has wrong levels AND introduction of banding due to the encoder working at low precision. When you set the levels to original similar levels, the banding is obviously still there since you've already messed up the source. The fact is that you have two different and distinctive problems (banding and levels) and not only one (levels) which cause another one (banding).

I think nobody wants to admit the mistake, as in that case, they should have made a new print for free (money loss... not happy)

vincentric · 04-22-2016, 09:58 AM

Recently watched Twilight Time's release of Harlock Space Pirate. It's visual design, terminology, and lore were excellent and it appealed to the sci-fi dork in me very much. The story (particularly the love triangle) wasn't the greatest but it had its moments and got the job done. This was mostly a case where style ruled over substance but sometimes, I don't mind that at all. I can watch this over again just for the visuals.

As for PQ, the 3d looked terrific. There was a great sense of depth in nearly all of the scenes with very little crosstalk. I was afraid the 3d image would suffer thanks to the movie's darker color palette but it did not, to me it looked even better than the 2d picture.

The 2d picture is where things get ugly but good news first. The brighter daytime scenes in 2d look good such as this one -

And it breaks down to this - 4 GB for the audio | 27.4 GB for the 3d video | 19.1 GB for the 2d video

Edit: Haven't forgotten about those code geass dvd v bd comparisons. If anyone is still interested, I can try to get some posted up asap.

wesslan · 04-22-2016, 01:32 PM

Would be interesting to know how that Harlock compares to HK, UK and the JP discs. Would have bought JP already if it had english subs

Heard good things about HK since it's also the original cut. UK disc is only the shorter version I think.

vincentric · 04-22-2016, 05:44 PM

BigOnAnime · 04-22-2016, 09:25 PM

Good gawd, that's a bigger difference than I was originally expecting (though it's not Gurren Lagann different, but Bandai's DVD's for that really suffered). For DVD's Bandai's I felt were good, but man, the BD gets rid of so much artifacting.

I wonder how S2 compares. Bandai switched up their release strategy even further (Code Geass S1 had singles, bundles of the singles, and then LE versions of those bundles), and S2 ended up using 8 discs as opposed to 6 (which is why the AL set for S2 is much thicker) as they released it in 4 parts rather than 6 singles (as I mentioned, in different ways).

(Really a shame S2 for its LE's had only manga bundles. Those booklets, those CD's, all we could have had, and S2 was missing some video extras from the JP release. Bandai really went all out on S1, S2 didn't get treated as well. Hoping FUNi does something, but I won't get my hopes up. I swear if it's just artcards or artbooks with ONLY art.....)

vincentric · 04-23-2016, 12:36 AM

Yeah, I remember those Bandai DVDs not looking that bad. The image remains half decent looking during static close ups but it falls apart otherwise especially during fast moving action scenes.

I will definitely compare r2/s2 as well when the time comes, am just waiting for some better deals on the Kaze Bd to come around.

zrdb · 04-23-2016, 08:12 PM

I know it isn't a bluray but I just got my Yamibo set today so I did a scan and they used DL blanks which means there is enough room for decent video and audio. I'm really not too concerned about the longevity of the discs (if they used good quality media and not the cheapest junk they could find), I have discs I burned years ago and they're still perfect. Of course I used Verbatim blanks which are regarded as being the best.

BigOnAnime · 04-23-2016, 08:31 PM

Yeah Media Blasters now uses DVD-R's on all their new DVD releases. What's even worse is they're also doing it on their reprints, so if you buy a MB DVD release new, it's going to be on DVD-R. I'd rather they just do SD-BD's instead.

zrdb · 04-23-2016, 11:01 PM

Yeah-if you want pressed dvds of their older releases then you have to find older releases. I really don't dislike burned discs but it seems like something that'd be used in a home made project, not a commercial release. BTW-I tried the Yamibo discs on both of my dvd players and one said unknown format, the other said no disc. I was able to open them with dvd shrink with no problems-the only player I had that could play them with no problems was my Panasonic bluray player. My Sony bluray players could too-but as a data disc, not a dvd. One of my dvd players is an Oppo DV983H which usually plays any thing dvd in the dvd format. WTF!!

04-16-2016, 05:29 PM	#626
Mangaranga Senior Member Member since:Oct 2014	I was copied in on a post on twitter asking about the quality of Anime Limited's (AL from here on) release of Kill La Kill here in the UK. Being the crazy man I am, I own both the US and UK releases, so I've done some comparisons for the first episode. First of all, let's get the differences and the bad stuff out of the way. Aniplex's BD features two 24bit PCM audio tracks at a constant 2.3mbps whereas AL's disc has 16bit JP/24bit English DTS HD MA tracks. AL's Episode 1 suffers from a mono Japanese language track, exactly the same issue that plagued almost every episode on their Gurren Lagann release. This is only the case for the first episode this time around however as it does not seem to crop up again in the later episodes/sets. The only other mark against AL's release is the fact that the sign subtitles for disc 1 (episodes 1 - 4) are hardsubbed and cannot be removed. (AoA for comparison). Data wise, both releases are spread across five dual layer discs. Aniplex's files weigh in at their standard size of 7gb+ whereas AL's encodes are ~6.1gb each. With that out of the way, let's move onto the screenshot comparisons. I'm sure other people with better knowledge may dig a bit deeper than myself, but for the most part Anime Limited's release holds up pretty well in my eyes. Kill La Kill has some sort of grain filter applied to it, and it's evident that some of this has been smoothed out during encoding causing an ever so slightly softer image in places. There's no issues with difference in brightness/contrast like the UK releases of Fate/Zero and Sword Art Online II (Both of which were authored by Madman in Australia whereas this was done in the UK), however I did notice in a few fast moving scenes near the end of the episode that some of the red line art looks both sharper and more vibrant compared to Aniplex's release (See screenshots 7 & 8). Both releases have quite noisy video and AL's understandably suffers slightly moreso in this area. Banding wise - there was literally this one instance where I noticed it, and even then I had to really look for it. Issues with the first four episodes aside, I think this one appears to hold up pretty well compared to the US/JP releases. Whilst I'll still be going to my AoA sets for any future viewings of the series, at this time I could really only recommend that for diehard fans of the series who demand the absolute best quality available. Standard edition releases of the show are being released here at ~£20 per part (over three parts), so for the difference in price and the fact that the quality is still good, I have no problems recommending those. Just a small note here as well in case anyone is wondering, these sets are 100% locked and there doesn't seem to be a workaround. Funnily enough, when I set my Blu-ray player to region A it wouldn't even play the disc at all. The only other title that's done this is for me is Discotek's Jigen's Gravestone release. Last edited by Mangaranga; 04-16-2016 at 05:40 PM.

04-17-2016, 11:57 AM	#630
mp3dom Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2010 Location:Italy	Boosting brightness alters the original banding in a "negligible" way if done properly (there's no reason to do that, but if you really want...). The problem for Lain, Steins Gate, Psycho Pass (etc) releases (in US, but happens for other distributors outside US as well) is that the brightness was changed unintentionally and it's due to a wrong workflow. They simply ingest the source file to the encoder without correctly specifying the right characteristics (i.e. "automatic" mode). In this automatic mode, the encoder assumes wrong parameters and alters the gamma, do useless and lossy colorspace conversion with poor precision and so on (and so the banding appears). There's obviously a workaround to this, but probably nobody was aware of it. Other releases like "Cowboy Bebop" doesn't have this problem at all simply because... they're using another encoder who correctly guess the parameters in the right way. There's no "IRE" differencies between US and JP in digital domain. All the levels should be identical. If not, then it's wrong. Last edited by mp3dom; 04-17-2016 at 12:07 PM.

04-22-2016, 09:58 AM	#633
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Recently watched Twilight Time's release of Harlock Space Pirate. It's visual design, terminology, and lore were excellent and it appealed to the sci-fi dork in me very much. The story (particularly the love triangle) wasn't the greatest but it had its moments and got the job done. This was mostly a case where style ruled over substance but sometimes, I don't mind that at all. I can watch this over again just for the visuals. As for PQ, the 3d looked terrific. There was a great sense of depth in nearly all of the scenes with very little crosstalk. I was afraid the 3d image would suffer thanks to the movie's darker color palette but it did not, to me it looked even better than the 2d picture. The 2d picture is where things get ugly but good news first. The brighter daytime scenes in 2d look good such as this one - But that's where the good news ends. Banding and blocking in the 2d image are often visible whenever there is a dark scene or a dark background, since around three quarters of the runtime leans on the darker side of the color palette, that is not good. The movie is bathed in noticeable banding and blocking ranging mostly from slight to moderate, and sometimes severe - https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1580/2...198e572f_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1466/2...b3ebba90_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1647/2...89bdd1a0_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1610/2...8abb0df5_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1585/2...22d4e66d_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1493/2...86056b75_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1466/2...74432d91_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1550/2...fbe71be0_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1541/2...aa0874cf_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1693/2...abf4338e_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1585/2...ac561d14_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1585/2...ac561d14_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1647/2...2fe60e71_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1492/2...a6ed66e6_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1630/2...1c3a4e63_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1531/2...14e36614_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1447/2...f284ac88_o.png How the 2d picture reviewed so highly is beyond me. It's a 2 star pq at best imo. I went back and even checked the 3d image and it did not contain any of the banding and blocking seen in the 2d image. Here are the stats. The movie uses 31.4 GB of total data - And it breaks down to this - 4 GB for the audio \| 27.4 GB for the 3d video \| 19.1 GB for the 2d video Edit: Haven't forgotten about those code geass dvd v bd comparisons. If anyone is still interested, I can try to get some posted up asap. Last edited by vincentric; 04-22-2016 at 10:13 AM.

04-22-2016, 09:25 PM	#636
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	Good gawd, that's a bigger difference than I was originally expecting (though it's not Gurren Lagann different, but Bandai's DVD's for that really suffered). For DVD's Bandai's I felt were good, but man, the BD gets rid of so much artifacting. I wonder how S2 compares. Bandai switched up their release strategy even further (Code Geass S1 had singles, bundles of the singles, and then LE versions of those bundles), and S2 ended up using 8 discs as opposed to 6 (which is why the AL set for S2 is much thicker) as they released it in 4 parts rather than 6 singles (as I mentioned, in different ways). (Really a shame S2 for its LE's had only manga bundles. Those booklets, those CD's, all we could have had, and S2 was missing some video extras from the JP release. Bandai really went all out on S1, S2 didn't get treated as well. Hoping FUNi does something, but I won't get my hopes up. I swear if it's just artcards or artbooks with ONLY art.....) Last edited by BigOnAnime; 04-22-2016 at 09:37 PM.

04-23-2016, 11:01 PM	#640
zrdb Banned Member since:Jan 2014 Blu-ray collection:365 Trading Score:1	Yeah-if you want pressed dvds of their older releases then you have to find older releases. I really don't dislike burned discs but it seems like something that'd be used in a home made project, not a commercial release. BTW-I tried the Yamibo discs on both of my dvd players and one said unknown format, the other said no disc. I was able to open them with dvd shrink with no problems-the only player I had that could play them with no problems was my Panasonic bluray player. My Sony bluray players could too-but as a data disc, not a dvd. One of my dvd players is an Oppo DV983H which usually plays any thing dvd in the dvd format. WTF!! Last edited by zrdb; 04-24-2016 at 07:36 PM.

04-15-2016, 06:19 PM	#621
sammy033 Active Member Member since:Oct 2015	To have checks that matter I would assume whatever disc they get would have to be ripped so it could be analyzed. Otherwise there would be no point. Which of course is a legal gray area in the US so long as its only used for personal 'backup' purposes. Certainly not legal at all for commercial purposes.

04-15-2016, 07:29 PM	#623
sammy033 Active Member Member since:Oct 2015	True we can. At least for naked eye tests. However would that be acceptable for commercial work using web distributed images where there is no guarantee there hasnt been color tweaking already? And usually lossy jpegs of an already lossy source? Q: How did you do all the color checks? A:I used screenshots I got off the internet.

04-16-2016, 12:39 PM	#625
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	As per BOA's request (and anyone else interested), nitpicked Kaze's Code Geass. The Good - most if not all the daytime scenes, of which there are plenty, look good. Even darker and fast moving action scenes, where banding and blocking are most visible, look good - The Bad - there are still noticeable banding and blocking, ranging from slight to moderate, that occur more frequently than I would have liked - The Fugly - there are instances of severe blocking and banding along with some heavy aliasing, but these moments occur less frequently - The picture has its share of flaws but I was expecting a lot worse. The good outweighs the bad, and the moments of fugly occur even less. I've, we've, seen worse output from Funi and Sentai. Here are some stats. The 25 eps are split 13-12 across two discs. Each episode averages 2.9 GB of data - 2.4 GB for the video and 500 MB for the audio. I'll try to get some DVD comparisons up on Monday or Tuesday.

04-17-2016, 06:45 AM	#628
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	Brightness doesn't necessarily cause banding. This was shown with Lain. FUNi's release didn't suffer from banding because of the brightness, and it wasn't because of disc space either. http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post150557

04-17-2016, 12:53 PM	#631
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	Was just pointing out when one corrects the brightness for SE Lain, FUNi's release still has banding, the JP doesn't. Though FUNi still messed up with that one. (And as I remember when the controversy started, like usual they tried to sweep the issues under the rug to look perfect, FUNi NEVER wants to admit they made a mistake for anything.)

04-17-2016, 01:38 PM	#632
mp3dom Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2010 Location:Italy	FUNi didn't setup the encoder properly so it has wrong levels AND introduction of banding due to the encoder working at low precision. When you set the levels to original similar levels, the banding is obviously still there since you've already messed up the source. The fact is that you have two different and distinctive problems (banding and levels) and not only one (levels) which cause another one (banding). I think nobody wants to admit the mistake, as in that case, they should have made a new print for free (money loss... not happy)

04-22-2016, 01:32 PM	#634
wesslan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Sweden Blu-ray reviews:1	Would be interesting to know how that Harlock compares to HK, UK and the JP discs. Would have bought JP already if it had english subs Heard good things about HK since it's also the original cut. UK disc is only the shorter version I think.

04-22-2016, 05:44 PM	#635
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	I'd help but don't have access to those other Harlock discs. Have a few Code Geass S1 comparisons. Used the 3 part Bandai R1 DVD and the Kaze UK BD. Unsurprisingly, the BD looks better. 01 - R1 DVD \| UK BD 02 - R1 DVD \| UK BD 03 - R1 DVD \| UK BD 04 - R1 DVD \| UK BD 05 - R1 DVD \| UK BD 06 - R1 DVD \| UK BD 07 - R1 DVD \| UK BD 08 - R1 DVD \| UK BD

04-23-2016, 12:36 AM	#637
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Yeah, I remember those Bandai DVDs not looking that bad. The image remains half decent looking during static close ups but it falls apart otherwise especially during fast moving action scenes. I will definitely compare r2/s2 as well when the time comes, am just waiting for some better deals on the Kaze Bd to come around.

04-23-2016, 08:12 PM	#638
zrdb Banned Member since:Jan 2014 Blu-ray collection:365 Trading Score:1	I know it isn't a bluray but I just got my Yamibo set today so I did a scan and they used DL blanks which means there is enough room for decent video and audio. I'm really not too concerned about the longevity of the discs (if they used good quality media and not the cheapest junk they could find), I have discs I burned years ago and they're still perfect. Of course I used Verbatim blanks which are regarded as being the best.

04-23-2016, 08:31 PM	#639
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	Yeah Media Blasters now uses DVD-R's on all their new DVD releases. What's even worse is they're also doing it on their reprints, so if you buy a MB DVD release new, it's going to be on DVD-R. I'd rather they just do SD-BD's instead.

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