The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by NeilZ

Something must be dead wrong with the brightness levels of the SDR presentation. Another sensational video trying to show the wonders of HDR by downplaying the SDR version rendering accurate comparisons impossible.


Here's the actual difference if the current screencaptures we're given are to be believed, and I hope it's a mistake because the HDR is wrecking the highlights with lots of clipped detail.

BRO.

What you are seeing are the SDR caps tonemapped to 100 nits to be within an HDR container, so when viewed on a proper HDR display they look correct, but since you appear to not be watching on an HDR display, YouTube converted it back to SDR, and rather poorly, I might add (this is well known that YT's tonemapping sucks). In other words, because you aren't watching it on an HDR display (which is how the video was intended to be seen), you're incorrectly judging it yourself. The first paragraph is just plain wrong. I'm sorry, but it needs to be said.

The comparison video is correct when viewed on an HDR display. Prince is one of my best friends and is probably one of the only few people doing correct SDR vs HDR comps on YouTube, amongst a sea of people who have no clue what they're doing only for clicks. I managed to watch all of his comparisons early to help see if they are correct, and indeed they are when viewed as intended on an HDR display (TV, phone, monitor).

At least watch the video correctly before judging it and making such harsh accusations.

[Prince_7]

Originally Posted by NeilZ

Something must be dead wrong with the brightness levels of the SDR presentation. Another sensational video trying to show the wonders of HDR by downplaying the SDR version rendering accurate comparisons impossible.

The video is encoded in HDR, you're supposed to watch it on an HDR display to get the intended results.
SDR caps are displayed at 100 nits diffuse white since it's the most agreed upon reference for SDR (High end TVs equipped with a Filmmaker mode will display SDR at this brightness level).

If you were to watch the video on an HDR display, you'll get accurate results. You are not because you're seeing the SDR tonemapped presentation and since the difference in brightness is so big between the SDR and HDR versions of the movie, the tonemapping performed by YouTube will render it as such.

I've said it at the beginning of the video, you NEED to see the video on an HDR display for the intended effect.

[NeilZ]

My bad, I was watching the video on my desktop computer.

So then the fellow who did the 80 other comparison caps had bad HDR to SDR conversion?

Are there any highlights being clipped in the actual product?

Mine should be arriving very soon but if that's the case that's very reassuring cause I thought this was going to be one more wreck of a UHD release.

[Mangaranga]

From what I’ve heard, those comparison shots floating around aren’t an accurate representation of the HDR presentation. I could be wrong, but I think it was stated there was a bug to do with how they were capped. I don’t remember exactly.

[Prince_7]

Originally Posted by NeilZ

My bad, I was watching the video on my desktop computer.

So then the fellow who did the 80 other comparison caps had bad HDR to SDR conversion?

Are there any highlights being clipped in the actual product?

Mine should be arriving very soon but if that's the case that's very reassuring cause I thought this was going to be one more wreck of a UHD release.

Suzume is a very bright HDR presentation. Highlights clipping is due to tonemapping the image to SDR for desktop viewing. In the process of doing so, you always have to make compromises, which in turn can either lower the average brightness of the picture to preserve highlight details, or it can clip highlights to preserve the rest of the picture.

When viewing on an HDR display, highlights are simply brighter, not clipped, but depending on the capabilities of your HDR display, it can apply tonemapping to make up for a lack of brightness output, meaning that the highlights can indeed be clipped as a result depending on the tonemapping algorithm used by your TV.

This is less of an issue if the disc has Dolby Vision or HDR10+ support, which (to keep it simple), is supposed to offer better tonemapping than the one your display would do in HDR10 alone, but alas Suzume on the JP UHD does not offer a Dolby Vision or HDR10+ layer.

[NeilZ]

Originally Posted by Prince_7

Suzume is a very bright HDR presentation. Highlights clipping is due to tonemapping the image to SDR for desktop viewing. In the process of doing so, you always have to make compromises, which in turn can either lower the average brightness of the picture to preserve highlight details, or it can clip highlights to preserve the rest of the picture.

When viewing on an HDR display, highlights are simply brighter, not clipped, but depending on the capabilities of your HDR display, it can apply tonemapping to make up for a lack of brightness output, meaning that the highlights can indeed be clipped as a result depending on the tonemapping algorithm used by your TV.

This is less of an issue if the disc has Dolby Vision or HDR10+ support, which (to keep it simple), is supposed to offer better tonemapping than the one your display would do in HDR10 alone, but alas Suzume on the JP UHD does not offer a Dolby Vision or HDR10+ layer.

Thank you, so in principle no clipping. I run a Panasonic UB820 with the Optimizer setting to the closest corresponding setting which is OLED 1000 nits so generally things pan out very nicely in HDR10 but I understand what you mean.

In principle I believe Dolby Vision can still clip with less accurate tone mapping if it's left up to the player which was the case for a lot of older model DV compatible TV's prior to them changing them to be player led. Fortunately most high end TV's offer TV led DV now.

[Member-571539]

https://twitter.com/schmullus1/status/1707972062487413068

Originally Posted by Schmullus

Took some pics of the first Gurren Lagann movie's 4K. The usual notes apply: Twitter compression, tonemapped HDR, yadda yadda.

Gallery without Twitter compression: imgbox.com/g/l0ZMyqrxEh

[Show spoiler]

[kk1]

Wow how NOT to get people to buy the Blu-ray, for once I hope we get the TV version https://nichegamer.com/jigokuraku-bl...cters-breasts/

[SteamfloggerBoss]

What is Japan doing lately??? Weird decisions.

[Member-571539]

“Won’t someone please think of the big titties!?”

[Footlong Shoe]

I never watched that anime but I did read the manga back when it started. Those Blu-ray corrections are a lot more in line with the character designs I'm used to. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but those boobs were not meant to be so big in the first place.

[kk1]

Originally Posted by Footlong Shoe

I never watched that anime but I did read the manga back when it started. Those Blu-ray corrections are a lot more in line with the character designs I'm used to. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but those boobs were not meant to be so big in the first place.

Well at least the figures went with the anime

[Bobo1313]

Originally Posted by Footlong Shoe

I never watched that anime but I did read the manga back when it started. Those Blu-ray corrections are a lot more in line with the character designs I'm used to. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but those boobs were not meant to be so big in the first place.

Yeah, the bluray looks more in line with the manga, especially Asaemon Sagiri.

[peppapigstan]

Gurren Lagann Movies - 4K UHD (Aniplex)
SDR Tonemapped Screencaps:


very huge file sizes

Source (and for more screencaps):
https://twitter.com/schmullus1/statu...rCqjsUTlfggNyg

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Also obtained the JP UHD BDMV for Lupin the III: The Castle of Cagliostro & the trailer included on there (& also assuming this goes for the US UHD as well) seems to look better than the actual movie (although still heavily DNR'd) so either they upscaled the Ghibli transfer for the movie or filtered it to the point of oblivion:
https://slow.pics/c/F5DAy9aV

[Naiera]

“Obtained”

[BigOnAnime]

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

Got Girl's High in directly from the Media Blasters Storefront last week (came in a plastic bubble mailer). Doing a quick check of the quality and the audio seems to sound muffled and echoey on the opening and ending themes. When I checked the clean versions of them in the extras, there wasn't any such problem, the audio sounded way cleaner. I don't have the DVDs to compare, but it seems they may have upscaled this from composite masters? No dot crawl or rainbows, but not a very good source. They also for whatever reason kept the "DVD Author" credit from the DVDs unlike Phoenix and Grenadier where they had a Blu-ray authoring credit (Blu-ray authoring by Justin Ramos). Also the "postcard" is printed on thin paper that is slightly too big to fit in the case because of the plastic tabs at the top and bottom, so it has slight wrinkles.

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

Talking to a friend about it right now, seems the issue is they accidentally mixed in the M&E tracks.[Edit]

https://fandompost.vbulletin.net/for...ers#post825976

Finally got around to watching the Blu-ray for Girl's High. I just finished it, including the bonus episodes.

The bad audio affects nearly everything that's not the dialogue throughout the whole show. The bonus episodes are unaffected, they sound much cleaner including the ED theme. Also I don't know if I need to readjust the connections on the cables for my setup again, but the dialogue sometimes is almost drowned out by the sound effects and background music. Easily the worst audio I've ever heard out of all the anime Blu-rays I've watched so far. It can be tolerable at times, but others, ugh.

BTW, the interview extras advertised on the back cover are not present. I asked, and Media Blasters stated they weren't allowed to port those over to the Blu-ray for whatever reason, so there's still reason to hang onto the DVDs. According to AniDB, there's 3 interviews that are 20 minutes each.

Originally Posted by Media Blasters

https://twitter.com/BigOnAnime/statu...00798979744021

Yeah was not allowed to use the interviews

https://twitter.com/mediablasters1/s...94090828485102

[segapluto]

Originally Posted by kk1

Wow how NOT to get people to buy the Blu-ray, for once I hope we get the TV version https://nichegamer.com/jigokuraku-bl...cters-breasts/

mappa doing everything they can to be the most hated anime studio in the world right now. its like someone there is actively trying to kill the company.

[SteamfloggerBoss]

Originally Posted by Footlong Shoe

I never watched that anime but I did read the manga back when it started. Those Blu-ray corrections are a lot more in line with the character designs I'm used to. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but those boobs were not meant to be so big in the first place.

Well now it makes some sense at least. Appreciate the info.

[NLScavenger]

Sherlock Hound - JPN BD vs FRA BD vs USA BD vs USA BD dub

• Comparison (note: comparison #14 has wrong screenshot for the dub. The correct screenshot is in the gallery)
• Gallery

JPN BD has best picture quality, but the FRA and USA BDs look fine overall aside from the incorrect color space conversion of the English dub video. I suspect that FRA and USA BDs are re-encodes of JPN BD video.

JPN BD bitrate episode 01

AVG: 35533 kbps
Audio: LPCM 16-bit 2.0

FRA BD bitrate episode 01

Disc Label:     SHERLOCK HOLMES DISC 1
Disc Size:      43,671,215,290 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       00002.MPLS
Size:           3,349,493,760 bytes
Length:         0:24:23.003
Total Bitrate:  18.32 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 17,002 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          Japanese / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   192 kbps / DN -31dB
Audio:          French / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   192 kbps / DN -27dB
Subtitle:       French / 19.17 kbps
Subtitle:       French / 0.25 kbps

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USA BD bitrate episode 01

Disc Title:     Sherlock Hound - Disc 1
Disc Label:     SHERLOCK HOUND DISC 1
Disc Size:      42,173,370,164 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       Japanese episode 1
Size:           3,413,137,152 bytes
Length:         0:24:23.378
Total Bitrate:  18.66 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 16,978 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   705 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   256 kbps / 16-bit)
Subtitle:       English / 20.29 kbps

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USA BD dub bitrate episode 01

Disc Title:     Sherlock Hound - Disc 1
Disc Label:     SHERLOCK HOUND DISC 1
Disc Size:      42,173,370,164 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       English episode 1
Size:           3,486,790,656 bytes
Length:         0:25:01.917
Total Bitrate:  18.57 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 16,991 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   614 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   256 kbps / 24-bit)
Subtitle:       English / 20.28 kbps

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[Total Procall]

Discotek's Goku Midnight Eye blur-ray is arriving in a day or two...this is one I've waited a long time for.

I ordered it blind when it went up for pre-order, but does anyone know what to expect from this release?