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Old 02-22-2024, 02:40 PM   #7441
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French site "HD Numérique" has published a very extensive, technical, and detailed analysis of Paprika UHD BD disc, including comparisons to the 2007 release. Review link

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Old 02-22-2024, 07:47 PM   #7442
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Unless the 4K of Belladonna is a lot better then the UK one, nothing for me.
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Old 02-22-2024, 08:35 PM   #7444
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Unless the 4K of Belladonna is a lot better then the UK one, nothing for me.
For one, the UK disc is SDR while the upcoming US release will include HDR.
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For one, the UK disc is SDR while the upcoming US release will include HDR.
If it's done well it could be an asset, we shall see.
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Old 02-23-2024, 10:45 AM   #7446
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If it's done well it could be an asset, we shall see.
Don't forget Discotek's last HDR 4k title...SF2 the movie. They outsourced the grading and it got issues with colour timing.
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Old 02-23-2024, 11:29 PM   #7447
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Paprika
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76.092 mbps (HDR10 base layer)
Japanese Dolby Atmos, DTS-HD MA 5.1, English DTS-HD MA 5.1
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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Paprika - 4K Ultra HD
Disc Label:     PAPRIKA
Disc Size:      72,071,589,251 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD, BD-Java
BDInfo:         0.7.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Length:                 1:30:50.862 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   69,934,104,576 bytes
Total Bitrate:          102.64 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-H HEVC Video       76092 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video     2097 kbps           1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio        Japanese        4977 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz /  4337 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        2364 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2364 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2262 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2262 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Chinese         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB
DTS-HD Master Audio             French          2299 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2299 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             German          2307 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2307 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Italian         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Thai            640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -31dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         27.279 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         23.517 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         27.283 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         23.521 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Arabic          13.293 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Chinese         21.726 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          22.201 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          27.150 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         24.789 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Korean          20.302 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         24.910 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         24.906 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Thai            20.984 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Turkish         21.643 kbps


HDR10 Base Layer



Dolby Vision MEL Layer

So, the UHD is the best that Paprika has ever looked. But, it's somewhat damning praise because it's quite the mixed bag.

The film was given an AI upscale by Sony PCL using their RS+ algorithm, which was also used on FF VII: Advent Children to quite poor effect (but Paprika fares much better here). As previously mentioned, the film was mastered digitally at ~720p resolution, and it shows. If you compare the UHD to previous releases (and the new remastered Blu-ray), there is virtually zero increase to actual detail, which is to be expected. There may be a tiny amount more due to the higher bitrate and bit-depth offered on UHD, but it's negligible, really.

All the really high video scores simultaneously shocked me and didn't because... well, it's a bit on the smeary side. Line work in particular looks rather watery and loose. Now, the film never had the most razor sharp line work in the world (even when compared to anime of the era), but this is a bit too far;



Let's focus in on this area to make it more obvious:



There we go.

It's a soupy looking, but is far from the worst I've ever seen. If viewed from a distance further than recommended, this becomes practically a non-issue, but it still is there. This was very noticeable to me, but to many it won't be. Wasn't enough to make me hate the UHD, but I can very easily see why it would be enough to make one despise it.

So, if it's on the smeary side, then why did I say I think it's the best the film has ever looked? Well, it's because previous releases were problematic, and because of the HDR grade. These two are tied together.

Sony's 2007 BD was an early effort, as evidenced by its MPEG-2 encode and windowboxing. Yet, it was competently encoded, partially because dithering was applied (and because they've always been great at compression), but its biggest problem was the windowboxing. By its very nature, resolution is lost, and even though the source isn't super high res to begin with, any amount matters, and if one were to zoom in on their TV to compensate for it, you then are introducing a further degradation to the image, as a non-integer scale has to be done by the TV (to varying degrees based on the model and brand), resulting in a worse experience than just leaving it alone.

Manga Entertainment's 2017 UK BD was a self-author (who did it is beyond me; this was before they briefly used VDMS for a short while for self-authors before getting swallowed up by FUNimation, and then Crunchyroll, all under the ownership of Sony
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), and its biggest selling point was presenting the film as-is without windowboxing, thus a slight gain to resolution by default. But, it was as-is, so the source banding was left alone and further exasperated by being encoded with incorrect gamma (the colours are not identical to the 2007 disc, while the newly remastered 1080p SDR BD is more in line with the 2007 disc, which kind of proves my point), so while an improvement in a sense over Sony's initial disc, it was debatable at best.

So, then what of the new remastered 1080p SDR BD? Well, by its very nature of being in 1080p, the smeary effect is less noticeable than in 4K, but the limitations of the disc are more noticeable. Given a 25 mbps ABR encode, it is of good quality, yet cannot match the UHD in compression (it being over triple the bitrate certainly helps), nor can it match the HDR grade.

HDR colourist Dai Kaneda did an excellent job here staying true to the original colour palette, yet pushing the intensity through WCG. Paprika has a distinct difference in colour between the real world and the dream world(s). The real world segments have a more muted palette, and stay mostly within rec.709 while the dream segments expand into P3 and further into rec.2020. The best part is that it maintains the same look while managing to expand the range by utilising WCG to its fullest. Key staff members were brought in to check the grade and make sure it kept true to the original vision, and you can clearly tell from the end results.

With regards to luminance and nit counts, it's on the conservative side, which I think is the right choice for 2D animation originally completed in SDR. It never becomes too bright and distracting, and just feels right. Regardless of what one thinks of the upscaling work, the HDR grading is a knockout and unquestionably the best aspect of the disc.

Colour banding was reduced even further than prior releases due to the dithering applied, so that's another win in favour of the UHD. (I'm also kind of shocked my post was referenced in the site's official review; thanks Ken!) It isn't 100% eliminated, because dithering does cover up problematic areas, which can include detail, so it appears that the debanding was chosen on a shot-by-shot basis on what was worth preserving detail-wise, and what was worth fixing. The correct choice, I'd argue.

As expected of a Sony disc, compression (ignoring source artifacting) is perfect. The Dolby Vision layer is MEL, as is standard, so it obviously doesn't impact the HDR10 base layer.

I'd argue that because of the correct aspect ratio and phenomenal HDR grade that respects the film's origins that the UHD is the best version of the film, if only because prior releases had their own problems. Sony PCL's AI solution has done some damage to the line work, yet I don't think it's enough to ruin the image, despite how obvious it is. Casual viewers shouldn't have any problem with the disc, while videophiles will cringe. It's unfortunate it had to turn out this way, but as imperfect as it is, it's easy to recommend as the best version of Kon's final masterpiece.
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Old 02-24-2024, 05:30 PM   #7448
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Old 02-28-2024, 09:35 AM   #7449
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Does anyone know anything about the quality of UHD SAO? It came out yesterday or two days ago. I was going to buy it, but lately I have the feeling that these anime releases on UHD may be often the best in quality (when compared to others), but the differences are not so big that it is worth buying the same thing a second time. On the other hand, I have the film from the UK on Blu-ray, i.e. not from Aniplex, so maybe the difference will be more noticeable. I'm struggling with myself a bit.
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Old 03-01-2024, 06:55 AM   #7450
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Anyone know how the complete Japanese apocrypha set compares to the AOA release? I have that the AoA one if anyone needs to info to compare. Thinking about trading off my Apocrypha and so I'd want to replace it with the JP set. It is moving from 6 discs from AOA to 5 from the JP set (though the original JP release was 10 discs but no subs soo)
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Parika on UHD is... OOP? Or it will be back soon? I can buy Italy edition, because the same audio/subtitles are included as I check, but still... It was so quick?
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Parika on UHD is... OOP? Or it will be back soon? I can buy Italy edition, because the same audio/subtitles are included as I check, but still... It was so quick?
According to RACS, this release is only getting a single pressing, so I would assume OOP. IIRC, all releases use the same discs and steelbook. I imagine it's selling quicker due to interest in the movie outside the typical anime fan.

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Parika on UHD is... OOP? Or it will be back soon? I can buy Italy edition, because the same audio/subtitles are included as I check, but still... It was so quick?
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According to RACS, this release is only getting a single pressing, so I would assume OOP. IIRC, all releases use the same discs and steelbook. I imagine it's selling quicker due to interest in the movie outside the typical anime fan.
The Paprika SteelBook was always listed as limited edition. I wouldn’t be surprised if a standard 4K is announced soon.
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Kind of surprised it is gone so fast. It looks like Bullmoose still has it.
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Anyone know how the Blu-ray of Gunbuster compares to the old US DVDs from 2007?

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I don’t know about the old Bandai Visual discs, but here’s a few comparisons you can check out.

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Gundam Build Fighters - FR/UK BD vs JP BD
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Disc Title:     Gundam Build Fighters - Disc 1
Disc Label:     GUNDAM_BUILD_FIGHTERS_DISC1
Disc Size:      46,001,428,976 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       Episode 01
Size:           7,509,755,904 bytes
Length:         0:24:05.068
Total Bitrate:  41.57 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 34,984 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  2304 kbps / 24-bit
Audio:          English / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  2304 kbps / 24-bit
Subtitle:       English / 37.21 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 3.88 kbps
Subtitle:       French / 32.75 kbps


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Disc Title:     Gundam Build Fighters - Disc 1
Disc Label:     GUNDAM_BUILD_FIGHTERS_DISC1
Disc Size:      46,001,428,976 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       00000.MPLS
Size:           45,069,907,968 bytes
Length:         2:24:31.245
Total Bitrate:  41.58 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 34,985 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  2304 kbps / 24-bit
Audio:          English / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  2304 kbps / 24-bit
Subtitle:       English / 40.11 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 5.96 kbps
Subtitle:       French / 32.70 kbps


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Does anyone know what best quality set is ?

- Rugrats The Complete Series (26 DVDs) year 2021 Paramount Pictures

Or

- Rugrats The Complete Series (29 DVDs) year 2019 Beyond Home Entertainment

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Does anyone know what best quality set is ?

- Rugrats The Complete Series (26 DVDs) year 2021 Paramount Pictures

Or

- Rugrats The Complete Series (29 DVDs) year 2019 Beyond Home Entertainment

Thanks and much apreciated for the help
I understand you mean well, but it’s better you ask this question in the DVD forum on this site
https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=153
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https://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=153
Ok, thanks for the tip.
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