The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread

[Gowho]

Originally Posted by Jackson_H

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Legen...380310/#Review

Interestingly the clean opening & ending extras are 480i VC-1

Could be that there is no HD clean versions (Japan doesn't have its own BD IIRC) so the only clean OP & ED is the Japanese DVD copy and Sentai didn't want to upscale them

IIRC, the show itself was upscaled on the old discs while the extras were in SD.

Speaking of which, I see his review doesn't mention the behind the scenes extra that's advertised on the back cover and also on the old releases, could you confirm if it's included or not?

[Jackson_H]

Behind the scenes extra isn't on my disc.

Just clean opening, clean ending and disc credits

[Gowho]

Originally Posted by Jackson_H

Behind the scenes extra isn't on my disc.

Just clean opening, clean ending and disc credits

Oh lovely.....guess I have a reason to keep my 1080i disc while switching cases whenever I get this new set.

[BigOnAnime]

You had one job Sentai...

Curious why that would go missing.

[Kyle15]

So the option just isn't there on the menu at all? Looks like a S'More Entertainment Bobobo subtitles situation.

[psychopuppet]

They removed it and it does not mention it on the back cover anymore,

[Gowho]

The hell?

Reminds me of Viz's release of Mazinger Z Infinity that originally advertised dub outtakes that ended up not included.

EDIT:

The missing extra in question.

[CrashOveride95]

Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust

Comparison of R2JDVD + all BDs

BDInfo:

[Show spoiler]

DISC INFO:
Disc Label:     VAMPIREHUNTER_D
Disc Size:      44,697,592,467 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BDInfo:         0.8.0.1b

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00001.MPLS
Length:         01:42:12.626 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:           33,731,543,040 bytes
Total Bitrate:  44.00 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
---------------         -------------       -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        28,609 kbps         1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
---------------                 -------------   -------------   -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English          4390 kbps      5.1 / 48 kHz /  4390 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
LPCM Audio                      English          2304 kbps      2.0 / 48 kHz /  2304 kbps / 24-bit
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese         3797 kbps      5.1 / 48 kHz /  3797 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
LPCM Audio                      Japanese         2304 kbps      2.0 / 48 kHz /  2304 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
---------------                 -------------   -------------   -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        124.20 kbps     1920x1080 / 4631 Captions
Presentation Graphics           Japanese         4.59 kbps      1920x1080 / 108 Captions

Screenshots





Booklet credits remastering and authoring/encode to Q-Tec.

This BD looks great; all previous releases are absolutely destroyed by it. For a movie which had multiple cuts edited digitally and was edited in a digital workflow, this remastering does wonders. I almost wonder if they had found the OCNs for the non-digital cuts, as a lot of this is too sharp to be from a 2000 DI (to me)

The audio seems identical to previous releases to me; I don't have a 5.1 setup so can't confirm directly any issues or changes

Subs are just Japanese subs and a signs track

The JP dub has been conformed to the English theatrical cut, so both audio tracks use the instrumental ending theme by Marco D'Ambrosio (Japanese version ending credits with the new song by Do As Infinity are included as an extra)

As a BD set it's a great presentation, with a beautiful box/booklet, a 35mm film splice, and a reprint of the OST CD included as well

The only downside to me is no English captioning track, but only a foreigner would care much about that

If you really like this movie and can afford it, I'd suggest buying this; by far the best this movie has looked and may ever look

[Circecho]

Originally Posted by SMD88

I am curious about the Jp version of CYBER CITY OEDO 808. People on amazon are complaining about it being BD25, where as the US disc is about 28GB. Did they just use Discotek's BD and take out the English soundtracks, extras etc? I have the TOEI Goku BD, which I know is not as nice as the US. Why the hell TOEI did not use the same disc, I will never know. I did not open the Jp disc as I have the US one. I would like the Jp OEDO, but will not bother if it is a step down from the Discotek disc.

I have it. It's BD25 indeed, and not even fully utilised... The extra's are just some galleries. I purchased it because I wasn't fully satisfied with the Discotek disc, but they made it even worse. D:

                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:13:15 21,732,734,976  22,368,998,878  21.74   19.00   LPCM 2.0 1536Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)

DISC INFO:

Disc Label:     KTCS008
Disc Size:      22,368,998,878 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BDInfo:         0.7.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 2:13:15.988 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   21,732,734,976 bytes
Total Bitrate:          21.74 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        19001 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
LPCM Audio                      Japanese        1536 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00008.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:08:14.687     20,912,646,144  21,742          
00004.M2TS      2:08:14.687     0:05:01.301     820,088,832     21,775          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:00:12.011     1,026 kbps      3,669 kbps      00:00:00.041    1,820 kbps      00:00:00.041    1,188 kbps      00:00:00.000    1,540,010 bytes 216,580 bytes   00:00:01.960    
2               0:00:12.011     0:02:08.128     18,950 kbps     50,174 kbps     00:00:51.009    40,325 kbps     00:00:51.009    37,832 kbps     00:00:51.009    0 bytes         472,476 bytes   00:00:51.051    
3               0:02:20.139     0:01:52.403     10,775 kbps     36,815 kbps     00:03:53.441    26,271 kbps     00:03:06.853    24,328 kbps     00:03:06.060    0 bytes         402,104 bytes   00:03:08.021    
4               0:04:12.543     0:02:56.301     23,973 kbps     43,964 kbps     00:05:18.151    36,396 kbps     00:04:17.632    34,928 kbps     00:04:15.672    0 bytes         415,452 bytes   00:05:17.358    
5               0:07:08.845     0:01:33.301     20,924 kbps     40,333 kbps     00:08:03.024    38,379 kbps     00:08:02.982    37,007 kbps     00:08:01.981    0 bytes         370,494 bytes   00:08:23.127    
6               0:08:42.146     0:03:57.695     19,379 kbps     41,154 kbps     00:09:12.760    37,255 kbps     00:11:25.434    31,423 kbps     00:09:09.674    0 bytes         415,262 bytes   00:11:28.354    
7               0:12:39.842     0:06:04.322     24,935 kbps     43,472 kbps     00:13:41.320    37,464 kbps     00:13:39.985    33,585 kbps     00:16:32.282    0 bytes         424,312 bytes   00:12:53.939    
8               0:18:44.164     0:07:46.299     24,536 kbps     46,952 kbps     00:25:02.501    39,337 kbps     00:25:05.754    37,175 kbps     00:21:34.251    0 bytes         410,540 bytes   00:25:02.542    
9               0:26:30.463     0:04:26.599     26,557 kbps     47,709 kbps     00:30:46.636    39,643 kbps     00:30:43.258    36,795 kbps     00:29:42.238    0 bytes         397,943 bytes   00:27:38.573    
10              0:30:57.063     0:05:27.160     27,260 kbps     45,248 kbps     00:31:22.922    38,922 kbps     00:31:21.796    36,672 kbps     00:31:22.922    0 bytes         616,020 bytes   00:34:47.376    
11              0:36:24.223     0:02:45.957     27,378 kbps     44,712 kbps     00:38:54.957    36,720 kbps     00:38:53.039    33,472 kbps     00:36:25.057    0 bytes         454,133 bytes   00:38:54.999    
12              0:39:10.181     0:03:02.348     11,336 kbps     46,515 kbps     00:41:59.683    33,110 kbps     00:39:29.533    32,681 kbps     00:39:24.737    0 bytes         443,835 bytes   00:42:00.226    
13              0:42:12.530     0:01:59.118     10,844 kbps     35,895 kbps     00:42:17.743    26,496 kbps     00:42:15.324    22,697 kbps     00:43:12.506    0 bytes         372,643 bytes   00:43:20.055    
14              0:44:11.649     0:02:53.464     17,150 kbps     36,720 kbps     00:45:03.867    35,527 kbps     00:45:03.867    29,267 kbps     00:44:59.905    0 bytes         335,190 bytes   00:45:40.696    
15              0:47:05.113     0:02:50.587     16,424 kbps     37,580 kbps     00:49:00.562    30,204 kbps     00:48:31.158    25,553 kbps     00:49:18.205    0 bytes         468,143 bytes   00:48:31.491    
16              0:49:55.701     0:01:52.695     13,173 kbps     23,180 kbps     00:50:57.429    20,901 kbps     00:50:56.344    19,299 kbps     00:50:56.303    0 bytes         318,956 bytes   00:50:58.430    
17              0:51:48.396     0:04:22.887     19,638 kbps     37,135 kbps     00:55:32.871    33,381 kbps     00:55:30.410    27,443 kbps     00:56:01.274    0 bytes         385,323 bytes   00:52:04.454    
18              0:56:11.284     0:03:20.533     19,767 kbps     30,310 kbps     00:57:56.014    28,366 kbps     00:58:20.580    27,800 kbps     00:56:49.030    0 bytes         352,998 bytes   00:58:05.064    
19              0:59:31.818     0:04:49.497     18,418 kbps     35,399 kbps     01:02:54.979    31,268 kbps     01:02:50.975    29,200 kbps     01:02:16.274    0 bytes         426,914 bytes   01:02:58.983    
20              1:04:21.315     0:06:21.214     18,286 kbps     42,057 kbps     01:05:50.404    34,616 kbps     01:07:22.621    29,934 kbps     01:07:22.621    0 bytes         472,980 bytes   01:09:17.403    
21              1:10:42.529     0:05:00.591     18,604 kbps     41,202 kbps     01:12:52.076    34,476 kbps     01:12:50.783    30,659 kbps     01:12:46.320    0 bytes         426,278 bytes   01:11:40.421    
22              1:15:43.121     0:05:10.518     19,295 kbps     48,784 kbps     01:18:57.607    33,890 kbps     01:18:32.999    29,665 kbps     01:18:32.999    0 bytes         367,699 bytes   01:18:00.217    
23              1:20:53.640     0:03:59.864     19,142 kbps     33,389 kbps     01:22:25.440    30,176 kbps     01:22:21.519    26,676 kbps     01:22:18.683    0 bytes         374,201 bytes   01:21:07.153    
24              1:24:53.505     0:02:29.732     2,287 kbps      6,597 kbps      01:26:15.712    4,415 kbps      01:26:15.712    3,770 kbps      01:26:10.623    0 bytes         135,507 bytes   01:26:18.631    
25              1:27:23.238     0:01:56.324     11,247 kbps     35,722 kbps     01:27:25.740    26,181 kbps     01:28:20.545    24,746 kbps     01:28:20.545    0 bytes         406,054 bytes   01:28:28.094    
26              1:29:19.562     0:03:55.193     18,445 kbps     34,987 kbps     01:29:43.378    31,451 kbps     01:29:42.710    30,460 kbps     01:31:38.910    0 bytes         404,314 bytes   01:33:10.543    
27              1:33:14.755     0:05:49.682     18,763 kbps     46,040 kbps     01:38:08.883    30,592 kbps     01:38:08.674    27,131 kbps     01:38:01.584    0 bytes         371,173 bytes   01:37:22.461    
28              1:39:04.438     0:01:55.532     15,336 kbps     37,505 kbps     01:40:56.133    25,809 kbps     01:40:54.965    21,350 kbps     01:39:45.229    0 bytes         342,439 bytes   01:39:09.318    
29              1:40:59.970     0:05:04.220     20,044 kbps     42,414 kbps     01:45:25.819    31,631 kbps     01:45:11.221    27,682 kbps     01:42:52.666    0 bytes         410,933 bytes   01:42:49.204    
30              1:46:04.191     0:03:49.229     20,151 kbps     40,671 kbps     01:48:29.169    31,078 kbps     01:48:32.422    29,727 kbps     01:48:32.380    0 bytes         401,486 bytes   01:49:46.454    
31              1:49:53.420     0:07:32.577     18,185 kbps     34,580 kbps     01:50:40.425    32,028 kbps     01:50:37.255    29,461 kbps     01:50:37.255    0 bytes         421,112 bytes   01:50:15.859    
32              1:57:25.997     0:03:48.269     18,084 kbps     38,013 kbps     01:59:39.422    30,130 kbps     02:00:05.573    26,894 kbps     01:59:36.586    0 bytes         369,610 bytes   01:58:41.864    
33              2:01:14.267     0:03:22.076     18,443 kbps     42,356 kbps     02:02:35.806    29,140 kbps     02:02:32.803    24,076 kbps     02:02:28.466    0 bytes         366,494 bytes   02:01:38.666    
34              2:04:36.343     0:03:38.343     6,173 kbps      32,720 kbps     02:05:05.289    30,015 kbps     02:05:05.206    28,600 kbps     02:05:05.206    168,468,688 bytes357,622 bytes   02:05:26.352    
35              2:08:14.687     0:04:50.289     19,676 kbps     56,869 kbps     02:11:49.860    40,115 kbps     02:10:05.255    36,711 kbps     02:08:23.654    0 bytes         981,888 bytes   02:09:40.022    
36              2:13:04.977     0:00:11.011     2,052 kbps      8,029 kbps      02:13:04.977    3,784 kbps      02:13:04.977    2,246 kbps      02:13:04.977    0 bytes         337,169 bytes   02:13:05.978    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00008.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     7694.520                19,001                  18,275,000,056  99,428,622      
00008.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x80            LPCM            jpn (Japanese)          7694.520                1,542                   1,483,536,232   9,233,628       
00004.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     301.134                 19,043                  716,800,819     3,899,619       
00004.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x80            LPCM            jpn (Japanese)          301.134                 1,543                   58,091,604      361,566

[CrashOveride95]

Originally Posted by Circecho

I have it. It's BD25 indeed, and not even fully utilised... The extra's are just some galleries. I purchased it because I wasn't fully satisfied with the Discotek disc, but they made it even worse. D:

What were your feelings on the Discotek disc?

[Circecho]

Originally Posted by CrashOveride95

What were your feelings on the Discotek disc?

I think its quality is decent. Bit of a wasted potential though, considering it's BD50, but only about 33GB.

Here's a comparison: https://slow.pics/c/E1CbkfqH

[JackALink]

Both versions look almost essentially identical considering the marginal bitrate difference (22831kbps vs 19001kbps). The Discotek might have a slight edge in resolving the grain, but either version is going to look fine considering the mediocre bitrates. Considering the JP Bluray is around 68USD right now before shipping, I wouldn't go out of your way to buy it unless you're just a completionist collector. Especially when you can get the Discotek for around half that from, say, the Crunchyroll store.

Both are of course definitely better than that shitshow upscale that was released originally by Discotek and the compression is of course way better than even the original JP DVD which was pretty decent release for its time especially in comparison to the US DVD.

[SpaceDandy]

Identical bitrate by no means translate to identical look. There's significant blocking in the dark areas of the JP BD. Worse, there is apparent low-pass filtering, especially in the second comparison. Unless someone beats me to it, I will add the French version to have a third contender.

[JackALink]

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

Identical bitrate by no means translate to identical look. There's significant blocking in the dark areas of the JP BD. Worse, there is apparent low-pass filtering, especially in the second comparison. Unless someone beats me to it, I will add the French version to have a third contender.

I stated they look "essentially identical" which is true if you're watching them in motion. Of course, as I stated, Discotek did have an edge in things like resolving the grain but that's only mostly notable when just looking at screenshots. Honestly, the 3mbps average difference makes marginal difference in the PQ the vast majority of the time since they are both pretty mediocre encodes.

This is why there's no real reason to buy the JP Blu-ray unless you're just a completionist.

[Circecho]

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

Identical bitrate by no means translate to identical look. There's significant blocking in the dark areas of the JP BD. Worse, there is apparent low-pass filtering, especially in the second comparison. Unless someone beats me to it, I will add the French version to have a third contender.

Looking forward to see it.

[Gowho]

Originally Posted by CrashOveride95

The JP dub has been conformed to the English theatrical cut, so both audio tracks use the instrumental ending theme by Marco D'Ambrosio (Japanese version ending credits with the new song by Do As Infinity are included as an extra)

This dub was originally made for DVD right? I assume the extra was a straight port from that disc and in SD?

[JackALink]

Originally Posted by Gowho

This dub was originally made for DVD right? I assume the extra was a straight port from that disc and in SD?

It's upscaled to HD, but it's a janky interlaced upscale to 1080i as there is combing in the credits. Seems weird they didn't just recreate the credit scroll in actual HD. And the audio is also only stereo LPCM for some reason. Although I've never specifically looked at the separate channel waveforms for the 5.1 track on the JP DVD, so I guess it could have always been essentially stereo.

I assume it wouldn't be too hard to take the audio from that video (while padding it out to 5.1 with silent channels) and then just splice it into the 5.1 Japanese track in place of the original English ending song. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of reasons to keep the interlaced Japanese credits as they look like crap.

[NLScavenger]

Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - 2020 Bandai JPN BD, 2016 Nozomi USA BD, 2019 Anime Ltd. GBR/FRA BD, 2005 Bandai USA DVD comparison

Zeta Gundam really needs a new remaster.

Anime Ltd. BD is authored by Com'on Screen. They did their own encodes of Nozomi's assets with a chromaloc shift. PGS subtitles are the same as Nozomi's.

The Japanese release uses the 2005 DVD translation (so do the Nozomi and Anime Ltd. BDs). The 2004 Limited Edition DVD with the pencil sharpeners has dubtitles.

BDInfo 2020 JPN BD disc 1

Disc Title:     MOBILE SUIT Z GUNDAM I DISC1
Disc Label:     UCG_Z_GUNDAM_I_D1
Disc Size:      40,115,376,316 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       00002.MPLS
Size:           38,895,390,720 bytes
Length:         2:01:21.273
Total Bitrate:  42.73 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 38,943 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Subtitle:       Japanese / 30.48 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 35.46 kbps
Subtitle:       Chinese / 34.12 kbps
Subtitle:       Chinese / 33.51 kbps
Subtitle:       Chinese / 33.20 kbps

[peppapigstan]

imagine Zeta Gundam with a remaster that isn't rushed, & looks crisp like Vifam's or L-Gaim's, probably not gonna happen anytime soon though

[Glorian]

I'm wondering if the UK BD of Gargantia is better than the Viz release. The listings on this site suggest that they're different discs (supposedly the audio on the Viz discs is 16 bit DTS, while the Manga UK discs are supposedly 24 bit PCM). This review claims that the UK discs were authored locally and has unlocked subtitles (did the Viz release have locked subtitles?).

Can someone with the UK release confirm these details? Also comment on the picture quality and subtitle legibility (the Viz white subs can be hard to read and tend to blend in). If these discs were done by Manga UK, and aren't just a copy of the Viz release, I'm thinking there's a pretty good chance that the video quality is significantly improved. But I'm not sure what Manga UK's reputation was for their discs back then, so if someone could comment on that, it might also be helpful.