The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 44 - Blu-ray Forum

PissedOffPeoN · 11-06-2016, 01:45 AM

Oh ya its way better then bandais dvds they put out, they sourced it from 35mm film stock i heard

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BigOnAnime · 11-11-2016, 03:04 AM

So uh, looks like the Strike the Blood release Discotek is distributing for Crunchyroll used 2 BDs for all 24 episodes... Kinda worried here even though you can make those look good. Timestamp: 3:12

(On another note, very disappointed with the disc art and lack of inside art (JP releases, possible inside options), meanwhile Arpeggio at 17:28 in that same video got treated much better.

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[Edit]Oh and looking at things more closely (I initially watched this on election night), Arpeggio is also one disc. Also hearing they're doing the same thing on School Days and Seha Girls. Discotek is becoming the new Sentai with this practice. And come to think of it, it's been a while since Sentai tried to put that many episodes on a disc.

gundamcero · 11-11-2016, 03:22 AM

Wow. Not looking forward to Discotek releases. They labeled the blu ray as disc 3. So stupid.

BigOnAnime · 11-11-2016, 03:23 AM

Yeah, I just noticed that, and I actually have a very good idea of how that happened.
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/j...ion/m168911676
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...9sMVL._AA_.jpg

They used the JP disc art as-is without changing the 03 to 01 or something else (since it's only one BD disc).

[Edit]Justin indeed is the one who worked on Strike the Blood, so there's some relief. The disc count wasn't his decision though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

@worldofcrap Did you author Strike the Blood for Discotek? Surprisingly all 24 episodes are on 2 BDs.

https://twitter.com/BigOnAnime/statu...22071716663296

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin Sevakis

@BigOnAnime I did. While that disc count was not my decision, I am confident of the video quality.

https://twitter.com/worldofcrap/stat...31530325164032

Naiera · 11-11-2016, 09:52 AM

I still have to get both. Sort of wish I wasn't going PS4 Pro today so I could get those instead

BigOnAnime · 11-13-2016, 08:14 AM

Many caps that Sensuifu dropped recently + a while ago and I didn't post about them until now... Also via Library-Chan on Fandom Post we have Ergo Proxy screenshots.
http://imgur.com/a/iOgdk
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post383149

US Releases

Erased Volume 1
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post382549

Knights of Sidonia: Battle for Planet Nine + Knights of Sidonia Movie
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post383921

Non Non Biyori Repeat
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post383823

Psychic School Wars
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post383072

Snow White with the Red Hair Part 1
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post383071

Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post383822

The Kawai Complex Guide to Manors and Hostel Behavior
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post383824

Japanese Releases

Macross Delta Volume 3
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post378723

Macross Delta Volume 4
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post382550

Mobile Police Patlabor Reboot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensuifu

English subs (main feature only) are hardsubbed on a separate video track.

http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post382548

Zegapain ADP
http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/...l=1#post383612

Yuripa · 11-17-2016, 04:03 PM

Screengrab from my Death Parade Jp edition for thoses who want to compare with the next Funi release :

From episode one
http://imgur.com/a/YWObs

Mediainfo :

[Show spoiler]

Pyoko · 11-22-2016, 12:55 AM

Got my Outlaw Star from AL. Great-looking set, and with the matte finish I actually like it a lot better than Escaflowne (in addition to being cheaper and more compact.)

The film scan for this is really fantastic, with clean, fine grain, bold colors/contrast and the sharpness is just insane. Way ahead of Escaflowne and Cowboy Bebop which are quite a bit softer, more muddled and more washed out, especially the latter.

Compression looks good, but it's not amazing. Many shots are flawless, in others there's a fair amount of smoothening or artifacts in the grain (see the last shot for example), and spot-checking I noticed a few shots with fast movement and flashing lights where the compression was on the verge of breaking up, but for the most part probably nothing to worry about.

http://imgur.com/a/CSRU8

Naiera · 11-22-2016, 01:43 AM

It'd be the same with the Japanese release though, as the two releases use the same files.

I think it's almost nuts how much better this is than Escaflowne. It's two years younger, but that isn't explanation enough of course.

Nostalgic Twilight · 11-22-2016, 01:50 AM

It seems that Outlaw Star was shot on 35mm film, unlike Escaflowne's 16mm, so that's why it has the advantage.

Naiera · 11-22-2016, 01:54 AM

I figured it was something like that.

NLScavenger · 11-22-2016, 07:38 AM

Also worth noting that episode 25 consists mainly of upscaled footage.

zrdb · 11-22-2016, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostalgic Twilight

It seems that Outlaw Star was shot on 35mm film, unlike Escaflowne's 16mm, so that's why it has the advantage.

As almost everybody know Ranma 1/2 was on 16mm film too.

Pyoko · 11-22-2016, 08:20 PM

It's mostly down to the quality of the scan and the film element. Pretty sure Escaflowne was 35mm as well, but Outlaw Star was scanned from the original negative, while Esca (and probably Bebop given that the transfers share a lot of the same characteristics) were scanned from film at least a generation removed.

Z-95 · 11-22-2016, 09:54 PM

Going by video and audio bitrates, the new Summer Wars release is the same encode as the previous release. Only real difference I could find (other than the packaging) is a new menu.

UseY0ur1llusi0n · 11-25-2016, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangaranga

Both audio tracks are presented in 16bit LPCM whilst the dub sync issues (in episode 1 at least) appear to have been addressed and fixed this time around.

I didn't know about this -- have you had time to go through the rest of the episodes to check if they're properly synced??

BONKERS · 11-29-2016, 05:04 AM

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=179113
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=179114
Leave it to Viz to make a BD release that has more compression artifacts than the actual DVD release uspcaled by someone else (using MadVR probably).

I mean, how does that even happen?? They should have near lossless SD masters (If not, why would someone be dumb enough to only store and keep super lossy MPEG-2 masters for something animated digitally??). How do they **** this up?

At this point, why don't you just release it on SD BD 480p with much better compression quality and just let the player do the upscaling? It won't look worse than Viz's upscaling. And you'll fit more episodes per disc.
It's a win win.

BigOnAnime · 11-29-2016, 05:19 AM

I posted about those before and the Blu-ray looks worse, yeah, and not just because of that. Look at the lines. Though it could be worse. >Glares at Q-TEC who smears everything into oblivion

BONKERS · 11-29-2016, 05:27 AM

Hard to imagine it could be worse than that.. ok I can. Those Japanese Q-TEC releases are like they took Composite video tape masters. And then did an average blur on everything to get rid of all the noise and chroma crosstalk issues.

People complain about Funimation. (Which I get) but at least they aren't as bad as Viz.

Sometimes, I wonder if the licensors stipulate that they make the video quality ever so slightly worse on purpose. Because they know it will be a cheaper, importable option. But they count on the fact that the small, high priced market base they have at home are rabid enough to care about the difference in quality. (Why else would they put up with extortionate pricing?)

The fact that us plebs outside of Japan care, shows that enough I think.

Speaking of quality. I can only pray to god, if and when we get a US release of Outlaw, that they don't **** it up. That transfer is insane.

BigOnAnime · 11-29-2016, 05:47 AM

We are going to get a release of Outlaw Star, it's just for some unknown reason, Sunrise still hasn't sent the materials to FUNimation and they've been waiting for them since late 2013... This is one of the longest materials delays in R1 history. Sentai Filmworks has it even worse, they've received materials for nothing, at least FUNi got Escaflowne, Code Geass, and Cowboy Bebop out the door.

As for licensors giving companies inferior masters, I doubt that's the case today, but it was a thing back in the DVD singles era. Kadokawa intentionally sent companies composite masters for Scrapped Princess, Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu, Maburaho, The Melody of Oblivion, Girls Bravo (which for some odd reason still looks like crap through FUNi and I don't know who to blame, FUNi or Kadokawa), and some more I may be forgetting or don't know about. Scrapped Princess in particular looks atrocious. Once Kadokawa Pictures USA happened (they're long gone now), we got clean video on Kadokawa stuff.

As for the high-pricing, they deal with it because they have an inelastic demand and are buying right away + Japanese releases are much nicer in terms of packaging, not just video quality (in most cases). They're not going to wait for a barebones release that comes out 6 months to a year or two after the Japanese release finishes that has locked subtitles and/or geo-locking. Also many are aware that if they don't buy, the industry could collapse or have issues. Video publishers tend to be at the top or towards the top of the production committees they're on, and are investing quite a bit, though the discs aren't the only thing that matter of course.

11-22-2016, 08:20 PM	#874
Pyoko Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Apr 2008 4K collection:151 Blu-ray collection:722	It's mostly down to the quality of the scan and the film element. Pretty sure Escaflowne was 35mm as well, but Outlaw Star was scanned from the original negative, while Esca (and probably Bebop given that the transfers share a lot of the same characteristics) were scanned from film at least a generation removed. Last edited by Pyoko; 11-22-2016 at 08:31 PM.

11-06-2016, 01:45 AM	#861
PissedOffPeoN Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Nov 2013 Location:Missouri Trading Score:68	Oh ya its way better then bandais dvds they put out, they sourced it from 35mm film stock i heard .

11-11-2016, 03:22 AM	#863
gundamcero Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2009 Location:US Blu-ray collection:50 Trading Score:207	Wow. Not looking forward to Discotek releases. They labeled the blu ray as disc 3. So stupid.

11-11-2016, 09:52 AM	#865
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	I still have to get both. Sort of wish I wasn't going PS4 Pro today so I could get those instead

11-17-2016, 04:03 PM	#867
Yuripa Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2016 Location:EU (Belgium) Blu-ray collection:229 DVD collection:1 Trading Score:2	Screengrab from my Death Parade Jp edition for thoses who want to compare with the next Funi release : From episode one http://imgur.com/a/YWObs Mediainfo : [Show spoiler]

11-22-2016, 12:55 AM	#868
Pyoko Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Apr 2008 4K collection:151 Blu-ray collection:722	Got my Outlaw Star from AL. Great-looking set, and with the matte finish I actually like it a lot better than Escaflowne (in addition to being cheaper and more compact.) The film scan for this is really fantastic, with clean, fine grain, bold colors/contrast and the sharpness is just insane. Way ahead of Escaflowne and Cowboy Bebop which are quite a bit softer, more muddled and more washed out, especially the latter. Compression looks good, but it's not amazing. Many shots are flawless, in others there's a fair amount of smoothening or artifacts in the grain (see the last shot for example), and spot-checking I noticed a few shots with fast movement and flashing lights where the compression was on the verge of breaking up, but for the most part probably nothing to worry about. http://imgur.com/a/CSRU8

11-22-2016, 01:43 AM	#869
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	It'd be the same with the Japanese release though, as the two releases use the same files. I think it's almost nuts how much better this is than Escaflowne. It's two years younger, but that isn't explanation enough of course.

11-22-2016, 01:50 AM	#870
Nostalgic Twilight Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2015 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:436 DVD collection:390 Trading Score:20	It seems that Outlaw Star was shot on 35mm film, unlike Escaflowne's 16mm, so that's why it has the advantage.

11-22-2016, 01:54 AM	#871
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	I figured it was something like that.

11-22-2016, 07:38 AM	#872
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:831 Trading Score:9	Also worth noting that episode 25 consists mainly of upscaled footage.

11-22-2016, 09:54 PM	#875
Z-95 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2010 Blu-ray collection:3007 DVD collection:1236 Trading Score:20	Going by video and audio bitrates, the new Summer Wars release is the same encode as the previous release. Only real difference I could find (other than the packaging) is a new menu.

11-29-2016, 05:04 AM	#877
BONKERS Member Member since:Mar 2015	http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=179113 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp....php?id=179114 Leave it to Viz to make a BD release that has more compression artifacts than the actual DVD release uspcaled by someone else (using MadVR probably). I mean, how does that even happen?? They should have near lossless SD masters (If not, why would someone be dumb enough to only store and keep super lossy MPEG-2 masters for something animated digitally??). How do they **** this up? At this point, why don't you just release it on SD BD 480p with much better compression quality and just let the player do the upscaling? It won't look worse than Viz's upscaling. And you'll fit more episodes per disc. It's a win win.

11-29-2016, 05:19 AM	#878
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	I posted about those before and the Blu-ray looks worse, yeah, and not just because of that. Look at the lines. Though it could be worse. >Glares at Q-TEC who smears everything into oblivion

11-29-2016, 05:27 AM	#879
BONKERS Member Member since:Mar 2015	Hard to imagine it could be worse than that.. ok I can. Those Japanese Q-TEC releases are like they took Composite video tape masters. And then did an average blur on everything to get rid of all the noise and chroma crosstalk issues. People complain about Funimation. (Which I get) but at least they aren't as bad as Viz. Sometimes, I wonder if the licensors stipulate that they make the video quality ever so slightly worse on purpose. Because they know it will be a cheaper, importable option. But they count on the fact that the small, high priced market base they have at home are rabid enough to care about the difference in quality. (Why else would they put up with extortionate pricing?) The fact that us plebs outside of Japan care, shows that enough I think. Speaking of quality. I can only pray to god, if and when we get a US release of Outlaw, that they don't **** it up. That transfer is insane.

11-29-2016, 05:47 AM	#880
BigOnAnime Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Mar 2015 Location:Minnesota, USA 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:671 DVD collection:714	We are going to get a release of Outlaw Star, it's just for some unknown reason, Sunrise still hasn't sent the materials to FUNimation and they've been waiting for them since late 2013... This is one of the longest materials delays in R1 history. Sentai Filmworks has it even worse, they've received materials for nothing, at least FUNi got Escaflowne, Code Geass, and Cowboy Bebop out the door. As for licensors giving companies inferior masters, I doubt that's the case today, but it was a thing back in the DVD singles era. Kadokawa intentionally sent companies composite masters for Scrapped Princess, Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu, Maburaho, The Melody of Oblivion, Girls Bravo (which for some odd reason still looks like crap through FUNi and I don't know who to blame, FUNi or Kadokawa), and some more I may be forgetting or don't know about. Scrapped Princess in particular looks atrocious. Once Kadokawa Pictures USA happened (they're long gone now), we got clean video on Kadokawa stuff. As for the high-pricing, they deal with it because they have an inelastic demand and are buying right away + Japanese releases are much nicer in terms of packaging, not just video quality (in most cases). They're not going to wait for a barebones release that comes out 6 months to a year or two after the Japanese release finishes that has locked subtitles and/or geo-locking. Also many are aware that if they don't buy, the industry could collapse or have issues. Video publishers tend to be at the top or towards the top of the production committees they're on, and are investing quite a bit, though the discs aren't the only thing that matter of course.

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