Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[grape_jelly]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

I love what he says and agree with it completely.

But the fact is that us old-timers won't have much of a choice once physical media becomes a dead technology.

...at some point they'll stop manufacturing blu-ray players.

...they'll stop releasing new films on blu-ray or any kind of disc.

...new televisions won't even have input jacks for blu-ray players.

That's when you build yourself a BD playing PC like I have.

You can still buy new floppy drives for Pete's sake.

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by Edword

Are you buying mostly catalog titles? Because practically every new movie I've bought for a while has come with a digital copy.

Only studio movies come with digital codes. It's sort of frustrating. Ray is right that the studios and tv manufacturers are going to attempt to steadily phase out any ability to play discs, though I don't think he's right about losing TV inputs, considering game consoles are not going to go anywhere. It's been happening rapidly with computers already, most laptops don't have drives anymore. It reminds me of when they got rid of floppy drives and for a little while people bought external ones but then it became a dead technology quickly.

But yeah, considering out of my 2000 or so movies, maybe 700 of them are available through Vudu or whatever, it's going to really suck in several years when I can only play them through buying old outdated machines. I am not conceptually so opposed to the death of physical media, I'm just opposed to the death of delivery systems for anything other than what studios want us to see. I can't see Code Red or Arrow Video or whoever suddenly having their entire catalogs turn up in a streaming service that's included on TVs/Rokus/AppleTVs. I hope it happens someday, though! If I could transfer all the discs I have to digital versions with the exact same AQ/PQ and all of the same special features, I would be overjoyed to have all the space free. Currently, though, that just isn't possible with nearly anything. Being someone who cares deeply about both special features and less mainstream movies is annoying.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Dick Deckard

I hardly buy anything anymore. In fact, the only new movies I get these days are actually old DVDs I find at yard sales of movies I have never seen. I feel like I've seen just about every movie under the sun and have no desire to collect anymore.

I don't even know why I visit Blu-ray.com so often. Nothing else to do I guess.

then piss off

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

I love what he says and agree with it completely.

But the fact is that us old-timers won't have much of a choice once physical media becomes a dead technology.

...at some point they'll stop manufacturing blu-ray players.

...they'll stop releasing new films on blu-ray or any kind of disc.

...new televisions won't even have input jacks for blu-ray players.

And then it's over.

That time will never happen. There will always be collectors. And there will always be people that do not have great internet connection. Without physical media people will download stuff illegally and then studios will be on their asses. They know there is a lot of people that collect movies and actually wanna have their favorites on physical media like Blu-Ray to own forever instead of a damn digital code that studios can not charge as much for as they can for a Blu-Ray. Bottomline without physical media illegal downloading will likely skyrocket and studios will lose billions not to mention free movie and tv sites will be taking over as well. They are already here now

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by mredman

That time will never happen. There will always be collectors. And there will always be people that do not have great internet connection. Without physical media people will download stuff illegally and then studios will be on their asses. They know there is a lot of people that collect movies and actually wanna have their favorites on physical media like Blu-Ray to own forever instead of a damn digital code that studios can not charge as much for as they can for a Blu-Ray. Bottomline without physical media illegal downloading will likely skyrocket and studios will lose billions not to mention free movie and tv sites will be taking over as well. They are already here now

I am sure that time WILL happen, just not anytime soon, it will not be until average bandwidth can actually deliver the same quality as a 4K disc. I just don't think it's a bad thing, since if it did happen, there'd obviously be some void filled where other labels could release catalog titles digitally in a way that you could actually play them from your smart TV or your AppleTV or whatever without having to download a huge file off the internet onto your hard drive and then get it to your TV. I'm hoping something like Hulu has for Criterion, but with the special features available as well. If all the companies like Arrow, Scream, etc would actually partner up with services that have mainstream coverage (ex, are included on the average streaming device), and extra features would show up on the service in an intuitive way, I'd be all for the disc to digital conversion. The current system of labels like Vinegar Syndrome making you download digital copies off their websites is completely unworkable for me, but I'm sure more and more will fall in line at some point and we won't have the absolutely dire situation that we currently would have if we were left with what's available on netflix, itunes and vudu.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

...new televisions won't even have input jacks for blu-ray players.

Considering newly manufactured televisions still have composite video inputs it'll be an extremely long time before TVs stop including HDMI ports.

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Considering newly manufactured televisions still have composite video inputs it'll be an extremely long time before TVs stop including HDMI ports.

Yeah, I don't think there's any risk of those going away and not being replaced by a higher tech equivalent, unless the game console market magically implodes and all stereo receivers become a thing of the past (yeah right). Maybe they'd get rid of them if they came up with a new super-variant of bluetooth or something, but that would achieve the same function.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by mredman

That time will never happen. There will always be collectors. And there will always be people that do not have great internet connection. Without physical media people will download stuff illegally and then studios will be on their asses. They know there is a lot of people that collect movies and actually wanna have their favorites on physical media like Blu-Ray to own forever instead of a damn digital code that studios can not charge as much for as they can for a Blu-Ray. Bottomline without physical media illegal downloading will likely skyrocket and studios will lose billions not to mention free movie and tv sites will be taking over as well. They are already here now

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Considering newly manufactured televisions still have composite video inputs it'll be an extremely long time before TVs stop including HDMI ports.

20 years ago we were still in the VCR age.

Look where we are today.

Now imagine what the technological norm will be 20 years from now.

I hope you guys are right and I'm dead wrong.

But every time I sell or trade a UV code I wonder if I'm making a terribly shortsighted mistake.

...only time will tell.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

20 years ago we were still in the VCR age.

Look where we are today.

Now imagine what the technological norm will be 20 years from now.

I hope you guys are right and I'm dead wrong.

But every time I sell or trade a UV code I wonder if I'm making a terribly shortsighted mistake.

...only time will tell.

Whether or not Blu-ray releases become uncommon all of the Blu-ray discs you still have will continue to work just fine. Just as all VHS tapes can be played just fine today. Some manufacturers are even still making VCRs. I doubt it will ever be difficult to find a working Blu-ray player or a compatible TV.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Whether or not Blu-ray releases become uncommon all of the Blu-ray discs you still have will continue to work just fine. Just as all VHS tapes can be played just fine today.

Yeah I suppose.

But if the majority of my film collection was comprised of VHS tapes today, I would not be a very happy person.

I think the transformation from physical media to digital is a paradigm shift-in-the-making that's almost unprecedented in our technological history.

...therefor it's harder to predict the future.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

Yeah I suppose.

But if the majority of my film collection was comprised of VHS tapes today, I would not be a very happy person.

I think the transformation from physical media to digital is a paradigm shift-in-the-making that's almost unprecedented in our technological history.

...therefor it's harder to predict the future.

But that's not really a physical vs digital issue. VHS & DVD are worse quality than Blu-ray, but digital SD is worse quality than digital HD. If UHD Blu-ray makes your Blu-ray collection obsolete than digital UHD would make your digital HD collection obsolete.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

20 years ago we were still in the VCR age.

Look where we are today.

Now imagine what the technological norm will be 20 years from now.

I hope you guys are right and I'm dead wrong.

But every time I sell or trade a UV code I wonder if I'm making a terribly shortsighted mistake.

...only time will tell.

VCR is physical media it just got replaced by a SUPERIOR physical media format. Digital and streaming is a whole different ballgame and consumers will have no control over that. Many people dont wanna be a part of that and there is no collector value in it either. It was easy jumping from physical format to a more superior one. Digitat and streaming is "SMOKE"

[voltz]

One consumer group wants to keep control while the other wishes to unwillingly remove it for the sake of "convenience". Shouldn't we be starting some kind of re-education program concerning this? (According to what I've seen from some people, it clearly looks like we may actually need it)

[Dick Deckard]

Collectors are paranoid as hell about their shit. What do you believe next? "They" will stop supplying us with electricity and we won't be able to watch our beloved blu-rays we already own that sit on the shelf and collect dust anyway? I guarantee most of us will never watch the majority of the things we own and obsess over again for the rest of our lives.

We will all be dead and gone before "they" stop making physical media. Then when we do die our grandkids or whoever will just sell all of our stuff for drug money or shit they want or if it's outdated and no one wants to buy our old junk (as they will see it) then they will just haul our entire lifes collections to the landfill and it will be gone and forgotten forever. Then they will all die and the cycle will repeat itself. Just how it is.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by Dick Deckard

Collectors are paranoid as hell about their shit. What do you believe next? "They" will stop supplying us with electricity and we won't be able to watch our beloved blu-rays we already own that sit on the shelf and collect dust anyway? I guarantee most of us will never watch the majority of the things we own and obsess over again for the rest of our lives.

We will all be dead and gone before "they" stop making physical media. Then when we do die our grandkids or whoever will just sell all of our stuff for drug money or shit they want or if it's outdated and no one wants to buy our old junk (as they will see it) then they will just haul our entire lifes collections to the landfill and it will be gone and forgotten forever. Then they will all die and the cycle will repeat itself. Just how it is.

[philip74]

Originally Posted by Dick Deckard

Collectors are paranoid as hell about their shit. What do you believe next? "They" will stop supplying us with electricity and we won't be able to watch our beloved blu-rays we already own that sit on the shelf and collect dust anyway? I guarantee most of us will never watch the majority of the things we own and obsess over again for the rest of our lives.

We will all be dead and gone before "they" stop making physical media. Then when we do die our grandkids or whoever will just sell all of our stuff for drug money or shit they want or if it's outdated and no one wants to buy our old junk (as they will see it) then they will just haul our entire lifes collections to the landfill and it will be gone and forgotten forever. Then they will all die and the cycle will repeat itself. Just how it is.

You are absolutely right, but reading it just depressed the crap out of me

[mredman]

Originally Posted by philip74

You are absolutely right, but reading it just depressed the crap out of me

He isnt right at all. Hell everything he said is just ridiculous. There is PLENTY hell MOST of us that watches the movies and tv shows they buy on Blu-Ray more times than one time. So what if you got a movie that you dont watch as often as others. So ****ing what that doesnt make me or others stop collecting stuff we like.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Dick Deckard

Collectors are paranoid as hell about their shit. What do you believe next? "They" will stop supplying us with electricity and we won't be able to watch our beloved blu-rays we already own that sit on the shelf and collect dust anyway? I guarantee most of us will never watch the majority of the things we own and obsess over again for the rest of our lives.

We will all be dead and gone before "they" stop making physical media. Then when we do die our grandkids or whoever will just sell all of our stuff for drug money or shit they want or if it's outdated and no one wants to buy our old junk (as they will see it) then they will just haul our entire lifes collections to the landfill and it will be gone and forgotten forever. Then they will all die and the cycle will repeat itself. Just how it is.

I don't really care if the specific physical media lasts forever. I just want each title to still be accessible when the copyright expires (120 years after creation or 70 years after the creator's death). At that point the title can be legally and freely shared online and the discs won't be needed anymore.

With digital media the studios retain full control of each title. They are likely to make most titles unavailable long before the copyrights of each title expire. Most titles will likely have been removed many decades before and no one will have seen them in decades so the copyright will expire without anyone even noticing.

With physical media every single person who owns a copy can make sure it remains available. With digital media only the studio who owns the copyright has that power.

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by Dick Deckard

Collectors are paranoid as hell about their shit. What do you believe next? "They" will stop supplying us with electricity and we won't be able to watch our beloved blu-rays we already own that sit on the shelf and collect dust anyway? I guarantee most of us will never watch the majority of the things we own and obsess over again for the rest of our lives.

We will all be dead and gone before "they" stop making physical media. Then when we do die our grandkids or whoever will just sell all of our stuff for drug money or shit they want or if it's outdated and no one wants to buy our old junk (as they will see it) then they will just haul our entire lifes collections to the landfill and it will be gone and forgotten forever. Then they will all die and the cycle will repeat itself. Just how it is.

Someone needs to get a prescription for some anti-depressants, STAT!

[BMM]

Originally Posted by Dick Deckard

Collectors are paranoid as hell about their shit. What do you believe next? "They" will stop supplying us with electricity and we won't be able to watch our beloved blu-rays we already own that sit on the shelf and collect dust anyway? I guarantee most of us will never watch the majority of the things we own and obsess over again for the rest of our lives.

We will all be dead and gone before "they" stop making physical media. Then when we do die our grandkids or whoever will just sell all of our stuff for drug money or shit they want or if it's outdated and no one wants to buy our old junk (as they will see it) then they will just haul our entire lifes collections to the landfill and it will be gone and forgotten forever. Then they will all die and the cycle will repeat itself. Just how it is.

You must be a blast at parties.