Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Fanatic

Lets just put it this way, Steve Jobs was an HD-DVD fanboy until it collapsed. He's just having a difficult time moving forward.

no, the guy just has no room for anything not apple, BD is in direct competition with appleTV and istore video, he is just annoyed that people would rather buy HD pics with lossless sound instead of his crappy quality DL video. Now with 3D it gets even worst because there is one more reason not to be dumb.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Red Leicester

That's the thing... he DOESN'T think it's a mess.
He just lied.
He made it up for but one... teensy... tiny... reason...

Because he thinks it poses a threat to his precious iTunes store selling movies.

Which, technically, it does. But iTunes is lower image quality than Blu-Ray.

Basically, he's just defending his inferior product because he can.

Well I have some news for Mr. Job$.... he can take iTunes and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Fact is he is currently powerless when it comes to movie pricing on iTunes. He knows that $6/rental and $15/SD unlimited view is not appealing when competing with models like Netflix or paying $10 to $20 for a physical copy. Vudu is in the same boat. They can't control pricing. Studios are controling the shots.


Sorry but when I pay that much I better damn well have something I can hold in my hand.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by jono_0101

im not really that savvy on the tech, but i dont understand why he says blu ray software is a mess, it there any credibility to that statement, or does he just hate it so much that hes making it up to justify his decision?

no, there are a lot of Apple zombies and my guess he is hoping that those idiots who think "if apple does it, it must be good" won't realize that instead of crappy over compressed video and last generation audio they can actually have top rated video and audio for the same price.

[Red Leicester]

Originally Posted by CraigW

Well I have some news for Mr. Job$.... he can take iTunes and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Fact is he is currently powerless when it comes to movie pricing on iTunes. He knows that $6/rental and $15/SD unlimited view is not appealing when competing with models like Netflix or paying $10 to $20 for a physical copy. Vudu is in the same boat. They can't control pricing. Studios are controling the shots.


Sorry but when I pay that much I better damn well have something I can hold in my hand.

Something to hold in your hand indeed. As well as a nice collection of movie spines all lined up on shelves like a big library. Computer hard drives crash all the time, and when that happens, all those downloaded movies are lost. The only time you lose those pretty Blu-Ray cases on your shelf is when natural disasters strike or someone steals them. The end.

The saddest part is... all over the macrumors boards, imbeciles are whining about pro-Blu-Ray people. "Waaa. You don't need Blu-Ray on macs. Go out and buy an HDTV and BR player."
Um, the OPTION for a Blu-Ray drive should still be there... rude... Just because some people don't watch movies on computers, that doesn't mean all the rest of us don't. I suggest some of you guys get over there to macrumors and give 'em what for... Blu-Ray is the future!!!

As to the price issue, I saw that as well. While I may use iTunes down the road to buy a few obscure songs online (unless I can find them on amazon, heh heh) I'm certainly not using it for buying movies for a HIGHER price on iTunes at a LOWER image resolution.

Join the Facebook group: "**** Apple Until they add Blu-Ray"

[mjbethancourt]

Apple is the most over-rated business model of all time. They bank on cult-devotion, not innovation. Their reputation is based on the market-circumstances of the early 1990's; recent performance does not justify the status they (still) enjoy. They have two very successful products in the last decade: the iPod and the iPhone. Both have solid competitors in the marketplace, but the typical Apple customer is a "lifer" who would never consider even looking into a competing brand, and are generally completely unaware of the quality or features of the competition.

Ridiculing and dismissing the competition, without any basis in fact, is standard operating procedure for Apple and its cult. Try this one out: ask an Apple customer to start naming features of their product that led them to choose it over a competing product. Chances are probably 99% that they will name a bunch of features that the competition also has, but they just assumed it didn't; then, for even more fun, start listing features of a competing product like a Sony Vaio, Zune HD or Motorola Droid, features that the Apple product doesn't have, then prepare to be sputtered at and called a liar because you dared to question the magical infallibility of an Apple product. The conversation will most likely end with some unsubstantiated "just so" story about how Apple products "just work", flawlessly, while the competition is all unstable junk rigged to self-destruct... which is basically what Jobs just said about blu-ray:

"I have no specific argument against blu-ray, so I'm just going to insinuate that it must be "glitchy" and ustable because it wasn't made by Apple".

Nothing new here, spreading FUD against the competition is all we've heard from Apple for the past twenty years.

[somchair1]

because it has a blu-ray drive in it. I looked long and hard at a couple if MacBook Pro's but in the end I wanted something I knew could play blu's. Ended up with a SONY Vaio FW351J. Love it. I love my iphone but I also know there are a lot of things that it COULD do better. Jobs is quite the fool. For his iPAD presentation he was wearing jeans with his shirt tucked in and no belt. That just summed him up. I bet he also didn't like that during his presentation he went to NYTimes.com and there was a flash screen that popped up that was completely blank. He paused for a moment and didn't even acknowledge but you KNOW it was eating him alive.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no, the guy just has no room for anything not apple, BD is in direct competition with appleTV and istore video, he is just annoyed that people would rather buy HD pics with lossless sound instead of his crappy quality DL video. Now with 3D it gets even worst because there is one more reason not to be dumb.

GOOD CALL!!!

I didn't even think about that little nugget of info! When the 3D spec starts to land full scale, MacHeads across the globe will be turning to their precious Fearful Leader with questions. And, as always, Mr. Robs... I mean Jobs, will conveniently tell them that it's also a fad. However, if his precious flock ever get to see a 3D TV broadcast (specifically a sporting event) he may end up with a mutiny on his hands.

[tilapiah6]

I'll give him the Touch/iPhone, but aside from that, what has apple really produced that was better than the competition? And it can even be argued (against my stance) that the OS of the Touch is clunky at best (even though I'm a fan).

Bottom line, the iPad is literally an oversized, completely impractical and overpriced iPhone. Perhaps if he'd included a Blu-ray disc slot it would have been closer to worth the asking price....

[P@t_Mtl]

I am surprise by the negative comments toward Jobs and Apple. I never really cared about their products. I always felt it was over priced and not providing much more then anything one could get somewhere else. Still I knew about the cult following for Apple, I was expecting more defense going toward them.

[alkalinesi]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

I'll give him the Touch/iPhone, but aside from that, what has apple really produced that was better than the competition? And it can even be argued (against my stance) that the OS of the Touch is clunky at best (even though I'm a fan).

Bottom line, the iPad is literally an oversized, completely impractical and overpriced iPhone. Perhaps if he'd included a Blu-ray disc slot it would have been closer to worth the asking price....

what has apple produced that was better than the competition? really? how about a computer that freakin worked. I had my imac for alil over 3 years and not had a single problem with it. can i say the same for the PC i had before it? deff not! the biggest piece of shit! yea i agree what Jobs is doing, is messed up. but its buisness.

[Red Leicester]

Apple is indeed an attitude more than a brand.
And it's a "holier than thou" attitude, at that.

I confess that I purchased an iMac in 2005, then sold it to purchase my current computer, a 2006 macbook. The reason I did so was because of the apparent lack of spyware infiltration, and the programs suited my needs. And I confess... I will probably continue to purchase apple products down the road.

Not to mention the other reason everyone buys Apple brand: form. Appearance. The outer shell.

For lack of Blu-Ray, the iMac is still beautiful. An all-in-one desktop computer with an enormous screen, excellent graphics, etc etc etc.

But Steve Jobs knows this, and he uses it to his advantage. He knows that when people buy Apple products, they're buying the attitude as well. The stereotypical tres chic appearance that Jobs himself sets... with his dark, turtleneck shirt, jeans, and untrimmed beard. In other words, a sort of Beatnik throwback look, where in one hand is one's iPhone, in the other is a cappuccino, and on the table in front of you is a nice, sleek macbook pro. The whole scene just oozes an air of snobbishness and superiority, regardless of whether or not the mac product is actually BETTER than its competing brands. Does it matter? No. It's apple. They're buying the attitude.

And right now, I'm sick to death of Job's attitude. His latest miracle, deemed by his own mouth as, "the most important thing I've ever worked on," is an absolute piece of garbage that doesn't even function on par with a netbook, though it was supposed to RIVAL netbooks. Nice try Jobs... but you failed. Miserably. But he knows he didn't really fail. He knows there are many fans out there who will say that he can do no wrong.

Um, really? He just called Blu-Ray, the future of movie format, "a complete mess." And despite its surge in popularity over the past two years, insists that "we won't be adopting it until sales really take off."

Good plan, Steve... That's like saying this Electronics company isn't going to put out DVD players into the market until everyone ELSE (other companies) does it for them. And THEN they'll consider putting out DVD players, but for now, they're just gonna put out VHS.

Maybe you could actually get AHEAD of the curve for once in your life, Jobs... Instead of trying to make it look "cool" to be behind the curve.

[jakeacc]

I'm surprised that so many of you are complaining about the lack of a Blu-ray drive on a Mac. Apple has made it loud and clear that they do not favor optical media. (The Macbook Air doesn't even have a built-in DVD drive)

Apple knows that the majority of its users do not have Blu-ray players. They also know that the majority of its users are completely fine with the picture quality of iTunes movie/tv show downloads.

For those of you who want to author blu-ray discs, you can buy a 3rd-party blu-ray drive and attach it to your Mac. For those of you who want to just watch blu-ray movies, I'd recommend buying a blu-ray player for your HDTV. Watching a blu-ray movie on a macbook or on a 24 inch computer monitor isn't the ideal viewing situation. (you won't get the full benefit of blu-ray picture quality over DVD at such a small screen size)

Some of us spend so much time on this site that we start thinking that everyone wants what we want, but make no mistake, we are a minority. We buy blu-ray discs because we want the best picture quality possible and/or we want hard copies of our media. The rest of the world does not want this. The fact that the MP3 is the most popular music file format is proof. People will sacrifice quality for convenience. How many people actually burn their digital music to CDs? I'm betting most only have their digital music on their computer and iPods.

If Steve Jobs added a blu-ray drive to Macs just to please a minority group, it would be a terrible business decision.

[Red Leicester]

Originally Posted by jakeacc

If Steve Jobs added a blu-ray drive to Macs just to please a minority group, it would be a terrible business decision.

The entire point of this thread is that it's a big, wide-open market just WAITING to be exploited. It's NOT a bad business decision. It's called "getting ahead of the curve."

And no, fans of a blu-ray-capable mac are not "in the minority," especially if you count people who simply never considered the idea yet.

It's like saying fifteen years ago that people who want a CD drive attached to their eMac instead of a floppy disk drive are in the minority. We all see how that worked out. Now, NO computers have floppy disk drives on them.

The entire point of the thread was two-fold...

1. That Blu-Ray is the future of media and that Jobs is pressing his inferior product on people simply because he can.

2. That people will always want hard copies of their media, in case a hard drive crash occurs and your downloaded movies aren't backed up.

[jakeacc]

"1. That Blu-Ray is the future of media and that Jobs is pressing his inferior product on people simply because he can.
2. That people will always want hard copies of their media, in case a hard drive crash occurs and your downloaded movies aren't backed up."

1. When all computers came standard with a floppy drive, Jobs was ahead of the curve and released a Mac without a floppy drive. He was way ahead of the curve when he released the Macbook Air without a DVD drive. He knows optical drives are used less and less each year.

2. I fundamentally disagree that people will always want HARD COPIES of their media. I already gave the example of digital music. How many people still buy CDs? How many people burn all their mp3s to CDs? The majority keeps their digital music DIGITAL. (on their portable music player, their computer, and backed up on a external hard drive) People will be doing the same with digital video files. The future of home video will be either digital downloads or digital streaming. Steve Jobs knows this, so adding an optical drive (regardless if its a CD, DVD, or Blu-ray drive) is just delaying the inevitable.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I am surprise by the negative comments toward Jobs and Apple. I never really cared about their products. I always felt it was over priced and not providing much more then anything one could get somewhere else. Still I knew about the cult following for Apple, I was expecting more defense going toward them.

Why bother. This is obviously the Mac haters unanimous thread. They'll never understand.

[Sammy]

Blu-Ray, There's not an app for that!

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by jakeacc

"1. That Blu-Ray is the future of media and that Jobs is pressing his inferior product on people simply because he can.
2. That people will always want hard copies of their media, in case a hard drive crash occurs and your downloaded movies aren't backed up."

1. When all computers came standard with a floppy drive, Jobs was ahead of the curve and released a Mac without a floppy drive. He was way ahead of the curve when he released the Macbook Air without a DVD drive. He knows optical drives are used less and less each year.

2. I fundamentally disagree that people will always want HARD COPIES of their media. I already gave the example of digital music. How many people still buy CDs? How many people burn all their mp3s to CDs? The majority keeps their digital music DIGITAL. (on their portable music player, their computer, and backed up on a external hard drive) People will be doing the same with digital video files. The future of home video will be either digital downloads or digital streaming. Steve Jobs knows this, so adding an optical drive (regardless if its a CD, DVD, or Blu-ray drive) is just delaying the inevitable.

I agree with this... but in the meantime the curve isn't there yet in that the quality isn't there and the time it takes to download movies with the quality that blu-ray delivers so apple users are left out.

[Red Leicester]

Originally Posted by jakeacc

"1. That Blu-Ray is the future of media and that Jobs is pressing his inferior product on people simply because he can.
2. That people will always want hard copies of their media, in case a hard drive crash occurs and your downloaded movies aren't backed up."

1. When all computers came standard with a floppy drive, Jobs was ahead of the curve and released a Mac without a floppy drive. He was way ahead of the curve when he released the Macbook Air without a DVD drive. He knows optical drives are used less and less each year.

2. I fundamentally disagree that people will always want HARD COPIES of their media. I already gave the example of digital music. How many people still buy CDs? How many people burn all their mp3s to CDs? The majority keeps their digital music DIGITAL. (on their portable music player, their computer, and backed up on a external hard drive) People will be doing the same with digital video files. The future of home video will be either digital downloads or digital streaming. Steve Jobs knows this, so adding an optical drive (regardless if its a CD, DVD, or Blu-ray drive) is just delaying the inevitable.

1. IF, and I do mean IF that's the case, Jobs is skipping a step. What seems to be a BIG step. For the moment, digital downloads (movies) on iTunes are inferior to Blu-Ray. It would be beneficial to add Blu-Ray for the moment, as yes, it WILL pay off, even if the "fad" of Blu-Ray only lasts a decade. That seems to be about how long DVDs have lasted. P.S. The Macbook Air DOES have an optical drive that you can attach via a USB cord.

2. Whether movies are on Disks like CD or DVD or Blu-Ray or contained on thumb flash drives like USB 3.0, one way or another, people will still want things they can hold in their hand, rather than simply on their hard drive, as it is right now.

3. Just let people vent their frustration with Jobs. Kay?

[alkalinesi]

on a side note. gonna go get a iphone tonight! so excited!

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by alkalinesi

what has apple produced that was better than the competition? really? how about a computer that freakin worked. I had my imac for alil over 3 years and not had a single problem with it. can i say the same for the PC i had before it? deff not! the biggest piece of shit! yea i agree what Jobs is doing, is messed up. but its buisness.

Just as I said: Mac proponents falling back on the bogus just-so story: "Macs work, PCs don't work". Do you actually believe that, Alkalinesi, or have you just repeated it in iChurch so many times that you don't even think about it any more?

If PCs worked as badly as the Mac cult says they do, then they wouldn't be able to sell them. (Of course, it might shatter your worldview to learn that a Mac is a PC. Mac is just a brand name, it's not a fundamentally different machine. Same hardware, different OS. Your leaders have LIED to you.)

Originally Posted by fdm

Why bother. This is obviously the Mac haters unanimous thread. They'll never understand.

Classic in-group/out-group cult language.

... and the word is "anonymous", not "unanimous".