Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Eddie who?]

What the hell is a 'Kmart' ??

[bazie]

Originally Posted by lymzy

Cross finger and hope history doesn't repeat itself this time.

if you are refering to paramount, there will be a big difference. Paramount was supposedly paid off. Warner looks like it is claiming it will make its decision based on how well the respective formats ACTUALLY do, not just the relative sizes of the purses. Of course, they could take big incentives as well but who knows

[sakbarzad]

didnt the go out of business a while ago

[lymzy]

Originally Posted by bazie

if you are refering to paramount

No I am not. I am refering to DVD market explode after that Black Friday which APEX sold for <$100 at WalMart.

On the Paramount thing, incentive is always the icing on the cake. Incentive will never win this type of war. For bluray to lose Paramount, you could only blame PS3 had not achieve the volume business model quick enough to leave room for uncertainty and bribe.

[Seretur]

And one of the largest countries in Asia went HD DVD exclusive!

KAZAKHSTAN!!!

Oh wait, not even they haven't.

[clyon]

Originally Posted by Eddie who?

What the hell is a 'Kmart' ??

about 38% lead
42% bat guana
20% saturated fat

[richteer]

Originally Posted by bazie

if you are refering to paramount, there will be a big difference. Paramount was supposedly paid off.

There's no "supposedly" about it. They've admitted taking the bribe, and they've not denied the story in the LA Times (or was it the NY Times?).

[cueman98]

Originally Posted by psx3man

i dont know if anybody read about but there is some huge news for hd dvd that kmart went hd dvd exclusive. I cant believe that the largest retail store could do this. It could be the end for blu-ray.

To be clear, the largest retailer is WAL-MART. They are nothing to do with K-Mart.

[badboi]

Come on now. Be fair. Maybe in Columbus, K-Mart IS the largest retailer. Could happen. Never know.

[bazie]

Originally Posted by richteer

There's no "supposedly" about it. They've admitted taking the bribe, and they've not denied the story in the LA Times (or was it the NY Times?).

oh lol the last time I said that exact statement on another forum but without the supposedly in there i was accused of being a "blubot"

Guess I can't make anyone happy

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by lymzy

No I am not. I am refering to DVD market explode after that Black Friday which APEX sold for <$100 at WalMart.

On the Paramount thing, incentive is always the icing on the cake. Incentive will never win this type of war. For bluray to lose Paramount, you could only blame PS3 had not achieve the volume business model quick enough to leave room for uncertainty and bribe.

The only reason <$100 players sold well was due to NO perceived format war.

You blame the PS3? There was not uncertainty with Paramount. Remember, the report their analyst made was VERY pro-Blu around April or so (PS3 sales were VERY low at that time). They said they Blu-ray could wrap this up during THIS holiday season. Therefore, your Paramount/PS3 theory doesn't really stand up.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by bazie

I think if it was just this they would have switched a long time ago.

Dual release movies from warner have been consistently 2:1 in blurays favour. I think what they are considering boils down to which format they think has the best chance of getting into customers houses so they will start buying the HDM disks opposed to DVD.

2 months ago that was clearly bluray. I don't know why they didn't just switch then. Now with paramount and 200 dollar players HDDVD does present a better option then before to warner. Whether it is good enough though, that is another quesiton

Don't know who you're trying to convince mate, but these cheaper player predictions have been trotted out all year long, and guess what, Blu-ray player sales have caught HD-DVD!

Even now these $300 clearance A2's will not compete with the PS3, $499 Panasonic 1.1, or sub $350 Sony S300 etc.

[lymzy]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

The only reason <$100 players sold well was due to NO perceived format war.

I disagree. DVD sold so well because it offer outstanding convenience against VHS while provide good enough video/audio quality.

Regard format war, current problem is not uncertainty but unawareness. Coupling with the fact the HDM in general offer no convenience factor over DVD.

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

You blame the PS3? There was not uncertainty with Paramount. Remember, the report their analyst made was VERY pro-Blu around April or so (PS3 sales were VERY low at that time). They said they Blu-ray could wrap this up during THIS holiday season. Therefore, your Paramount/PS3 theory doesn't really stand up.

We all know you couldn't take PR very serious. Otherwise, I would have many FOX release by now. Talk and talk, walk the walk. $150M if true is nothing compare to revenue from a volume business such as DVD.

[Jaren613]

Originally Posted by bazie

if you are refering to paramount, there will be a big difference. Paramount was supposedly paid off. Warner looks like it is claiming it will make its decision based on how well the respective formats ACTUALLY do, not just the relative sizes of the purses. Of course, they could take big incentives as well but who knows

Ya, that obviously makes them sound better to the public eye.

But lets be serious, if they accept a big bribe from Microsoft or Toshiba or whoever, at this point in the game it could still proove beneficial in the long run. With Warner HD-DVD exclusive, along with Paramount and Universal, on top of having players selling for less than $200, that paves the way for an HD-DVD victory.

Hopefully they choose to support the better format and not sell out. But it is hard to refuse a large sum of money, especially if by accepting it they could possibly end the format war.

I know regardless of what I say here this post will probably still get flamed, and honestly, I hope there are good point to proove my thinking wrong, so if you must flame, be tactful! I support Blu and only Blu atm, and don't plan to change unless there are no more movies being released for the format!

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by Jaren613

Ya, that obviously makes them sound better to the public eye.

But lets be serious, if they accept a big bribe from Microsoft or Toshiba or whoever, at this point in the game it could still proove beneficial in the long run. With Warner HD-DVD exclusive, along with Paramount and Universal, on top of having players selling for less than $200, that paves the way for an HD-DVD victory.

Hopefully they choose to support the better format and not sell out. But it is hard to refuse a large sum of money, especially if by accepting it they could possibly end the format war.

I know regardless of what I say here this post will probably still get flamed, and honestly, I hope there are good point to proove my thinking wrong, so if you must flame, be tactful! I support Blu and only Blu atm, and don't plan to change unless there are no more movies being released for the format!

Your post was based on facts so there is no reason to accuse of of anything but honesty. I do have a question concerning bribes. If took 150 million to get Warner on our side and we all agree that would kill HD DVD why not just do it? We are talking about some pretty big heavy weights on the blu side namely Disney and CBS. Its not like it's pocket money but they will more than recoup all that money when every film is on blu!

Please tell me where I am wrong

[blu2]

Originally Posted by bmr76

I personally dont think a lot of people that are flipping through the sales papers will even know what hd-dvd is. I thinik they will just assume its an upconvert, but they will know what BLU RAY is. The name is catchy, and I work retail. Average people always ask what blu ray is, hd dvd is hardly mentioned. I think the bland name will make it a door buster people will just skip past.

Most people will not, but the next wave of adopters will know all about HD DVD and Blu Ray.

It's a safe bet that any $170 HD DVD players will be sold out whereever they appear on black friday.... ($170 Blu Ray players too)

[joeorc]

yea they can sell those players at $200.00 to the people that shop there but then again they are trying to sell movies at $30.00+ for each movie to those very same consumers. that very same consumer that drives his car or what ever they drive goes there to save money.right... , when your movies ..a single movie cost the same as a full tank of gas that you use to fill up for the week most of your J6P will not go for that ..so what do they do buy just normal DVD's to go with their Low cost HD DVD player.and 720p/1080i HDTV..

Thats a problem..both HD DVD and Blu-Ray have to get the Disc's lower the players are not the problem its the cost per Movie... ..which side is working on lowering their cost to the consumer for disc's..the more disc's you sell the lower the cost of the disc. which side sells more of their formats Disc's..here is a hint its not HD DVD and never will be..for total Disc's sold..Blu-Ray already sells Blu-Ray disc's in the Millions, not in the case of HD DVD.

[bazie]

Originally Posted by davidPS3

There will be consumers who will pick one of these up, but what kind of quality will it be?? At that kind of cost, I would hope the buyer will beware!

the a3 has been arround for a while and had good reviews. It won't be any worse quality just because of the cost. Still 1080i though, but to the majority of people with HDTV's 1080i is all thats needed

[k20king]

Originally Posted by joeorc

yea they can sell those players at $200.00 to the people that shop there but then again they are trying to sell movies at $30.00+ for each movie to those very same consumers. that very same consumer that drives his car or what ever they drive goes there to save money.right... , when your movies ..a single movie cost the same as a full tank of gas that you use to fill up for the week most of your J6P will not go for that ..so what do they do buy just normal DVD's to go with their Low cost HD DVD player.and 720p/1080i HDTV..

Thats a problem..both HD DVD and Blu-Ray have to get the Disc's lower the players are not the problem its the cost per Movie... ..which side is working on lowering their cost to the consumer for disc's..the more disc's you sell the lower the cost of the disc. which side sells more of their formats Disc's..here is a hint its not HD DVD and never will be..for total Disc's sold..Blu-Ray already sells Blu-Ray disc's in the Millions, not in the case of HD DVD.

This guy is the man. No one talking about Media, but that's what I meant, cheap people can't expand on Hi-Def Goodies!

Validation! Sweet!


LOL!

Go Blu!

[LeoneFan]

Originally Posted by joeorc

yea they can sell those players at $200.00 to the people that shop there but then again they are trying to sell movies at $30.00+ for each movie to those very same consumers. that very same consumer that drives his car or what ever they drive goes there to save money.right... , when your movies ..a single movie cost the same as a full tank of gas that you use to fill up for the week most of your J6P will not go for that ..so what do they do buy just normal DVD's to go with their Low cost HD DVD player.and 720p/1080i HDTV..

Thats a problem..both HD DVD and Blu-Ray have to get the Disc's lower the players are not the problem its the cost per Movie... ..which side is working on lowering their cost to the consumer for disc's..the more disc's you sell the lower the cost of the disc. which side sells more of their formats Disc's..here is a hint its not HD DVD and never will be..for total Disc's sold..Blu-Ray already sells Blu-Ray disc's in the Millions, not in the case of HD DVD.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense. Do you really think walmart and k-mart shoppers are going to be the target consumer for these $199 players? No!!! It's the same guy who was going to buy from Best Buy or CC for $299 that is going to go to walmart and get it for $199. I never set foot in a walmart or a k-mart but you think I wouldn't go there just to take advantage of this $199 player? Keep dreaming.

As I said, at this point Toshiba is too determined and it shows through their actions. Come April '08 they'll probably be selling these players for less than $150 everywhere and that's when the BDA will really have to pack up and go home.