Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[UltimateFighter]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

The idea so far as I hear is to get rid of all these A2s BEFORE black friday, so the new owners can buy BF discs, and they're out of warehouses and off the showroom floors

Look l'm not trying to pull a "chicken little" here or anything, but isn't it a bad thing if these sell out?

[matts]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

How many times does it take you to say the same thing. This isn't the only thread where you are being ridiculously redundant. Hey, do you work for MS or Toshiba?

If you are going to call me out, then call him out too. I'm simply responding to the response. He's pretty much said the same thing each time too.

I accept the fact that things MAY look different on a 1080P set. But that still doesn't change what is currently out in the marketplace today.

[jcdDigix]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

I myself am tempted to get one.

...and we were critical to Michael Bay when he flipped his tongue?!?

[Grisle]

Originally Posted by Vonscoot

Bf?

Black Friday

[darkpoet25]

Originally Posted by mel2

actually, it's until noon that day. I'm an electronics associate at wal-mart. all those great prices end at noon. most wal-marts in my area have 10-12 in the backroom waiting. it's the first time i have ever seen the A2 and boy is it the crappiest thing I've ever seen. It says "made from scrap" all over it. it doesn't even have a display panel on it. I'm sorry but I've seen alot of durabrand, venture, proscan dvd players in my time at wal-mart that rival the quality of the A2. wonder why toshiba is the only company at THIS time making hd dvd players.

I work at a Wal Mart too on the ICS team, and we help unload the trucks. We don't have that many either, but if I could get away with it I would chuck every last damn one into our compactor. That way the average joe customer isn't swayed with those POS's.

[tru2blu707]

Originally Posted by matts

If you are going to call me out, then call him out too. I'm simply responding to the response. He's pretty much said the same thing each time too.

I accept the fact that things MAY look different on a 1080P set. But that still doesn't change what is currently out in the marketplace today.

i gotta agree with richard...alot of your posts seems to favor HD DVD.. is there a troll on blu ray.com...

[tru2blu707]

Originally Posted by matts

I'm sorry, but this is the worst idea I've hear. I guess if you own stock in the BDA, then maybe it makes sense, but otherwise, why spend $100 of your money to help a corporation that doesn't give a rats ass about you?

If this is what it will take for blu-ray to win, then maybe it shouldn't win?

so should sony start buying out movie studios to win?

[tru2blu707]

Originally Posted by matts

Really?

I guess there's no need to buy Blu-ray's either then, since we can just buy the DVD and get the same thing.

i was being sarcastic.....you on the other hand seem to favor hd dvd... on all your posts....

[Grisle]

The $98 special sale has me scared...can I get some reassurance?

[gvortex7]

Originally Posted by clyon

What gen is that? + that is a "factory-renewed" referbished

I have seen the same player I have for $339 but that is gen 2 & there was only 5 available.

No you haven't because the 2nd generation Philips is only coming out in Europe this year and that will be sometime toward the end of Q4.

[richard lichtenfelt]

Originally Posted by matts

If you are going to call me out, then call him out too. I'm simply responding to the response. He's pretty much said the same thing each time too.

I accept the fact that things MAY look different on a 1080P set. But that still doesn't change what is currently out in the marketplace today.

HDTV1080P is clearly a blu-ray supporter. You, on the other hand, seem to just be here to spread negativity and advertise for hd dvd.

Don't know how to quote from another thread so I just copy and pasted Matts post. The numbered points were taken from a post by vladditude0583, under each #'d post is Matts retort:
1) Cooler Name (I think anyways) vs. Suckier name?

This is so subjective. I think HD DVD makes more sense simple because we have TV, we have HD TV. Then we have DVD and HD DVD. Seems very simple. Only major confusion is caused by CE's because the market upconversion players as HD-DVD players or High Def DVD Players. That's the only way blu-ray has the edge there. On the down side, leave out the - and it looks like bluray or blurry.. if you just glance.. kind of laughed first time I saw that.

2) Higher storage capacity (greater audio/video quality) vs. Lesser storage capacity (diminished audio/video quality)

You need to remove any reference to video quality here. It just hasn't shown to be the case. Movies on both formats look incredible. I'd also argue audio quality, but I don't have a lossless receiver, so I can't speak directly to it. All I can say is that all my movies on HD DVD or Bly-ray equally sound awesome too. ONLY possible advantage in space is if a TrueHD track can't fit on an HD DVD

3) Support of most of the CE's in the industry vs. Support of "gorilla" Microsoft and Intel (however, Intel made an announcement a few months ago that they will go neutral next year)

Not sure this really matters. Sony is really the big guns behind the blu-ray player sales. I'm not sure the other players really have much of a significance in comparison. And like any format war, choices here are always subject to change. I've never seen this as much of an advantage - at least not one to give a win to anyone.

4) Support of more than half of the major film studios vs Support of only one dedicated film studio (Universal) and a very, very confused Paramount

Even with this, total titles available is still very close. Each side has an advantage here because they each have exclusive studios. You want to watch an exclusive movie, you need that format. MAYBE we'll see blu-ray with more of an advantage next year, but I personally don't see it today.

5) Ratio of 2 to 1 sales when compared to HD-DVD vs Has always been beaten in sales by BD since the beginning of this year

I'm actually starting to see this as more of an advantage for HD DVD. Seriously. Blu-ray's been 2:1 since the start of the year - I think pretty much since PS3 released. Since then, it's stayed 2:1. What's that say? It simple says that the PS3 had a one-time effect and that both formats are growing at an equal rate. It also says that the good news blu-ray had earlier this year (Target, Blockbuster..etc) didn't have an effect. All that time, there seemed to be little good news (or titles) from HD DVD. I don't think this is at all a good sign for Blu-ray. I truly expected they'd keep pushing a little further ahead, especially around some of the specials and such that came about.

6) BD in every Playstation 3 game console (monetarily speaking - it is an overall cheaper piece of machinery given its list of standard features compared to that of the XBox 360 Premium and Elite vs HD-DVD add-on to XBox 360 has only quality audio/video if connected to the XBox 360 Elite which uses HDMI connectivity, whereas the other XBox 360's use component cables as the highest possible AV connectivity

See #5. I do think the PS3 is a better piece of hardware. But I don't really give any disadvantage to the 360 add on. For the majority of buyers in either format, audio and video are still going to be the same. My PS3 and 360 with add-on both look and sound the same. PS3 is connected via HDMI and 360 by component.

[Rike255]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

HDTV1080P is clearly a blu-ray supporter. You, on the other hand, seem to just be here to spread negativity and advertise for hd dvd.

I agree, take that crap elsewhere. This is a Blu-Ray site.

[Grisle]

Originally Posted by rjlradioskate

kinda like buying a $100 dollar printer and then having to spend $200 on ink. damn my $20 blu-rays look good.

More Like you can buy 3 or 4 movies for the price of a player...it's going to be enticing to people who were waiting.

[UltimateFighter]

kinda pathetic that all the CE companies the BDA has and not one can best Toshiba in price.

[Vonscoot]

Originally Posted by Grisle

Black Friday

Wow, brain fart.

Thanks

[mel2]

I just can't believe toshiba is capable of such a cheap product. I have a toshiba dvd recorder that I paid $140 for last year and it looks like a $500 unit compared to the Hd-A2. no kidding. the people in my department were laughing at how cheap it looked. associates in the department thought it was a durabrand at first. sorry but I'll gladly spend $350 at most online retailers for the new sharp blu-ray player or the samsung 1200. at least they look the part of high definition.

[mak99]

Great replies from all you BD fans - the best free entertainment I've had this week!

Denial can be fun!!!

PS - if BD puts out a sub-$200 player, consider me format neutral!

[Vonscoot]

Originally Posted by mel2

I just can't believe toshiba is capable of such a cheap product. I have a toshiba dvd recorder that I paid $140 for last year and it looks like a $500 unit compared to the Hd-A2. no kidding. the people in my department were laughing at how cheap it looked. associates in the department thought it was a durabrand at first. sorry but I'll gladly spend $350 at most online retailers for the new sharp blu-ray player or the samsung 1200. at least they look the part of high definition.

It's not Toshiba. Even at the $198 price, WM is losing 28% off what they paid for the players. With the drop to $98, it gets worse. They are losing quite a bit on these sales (including the $14.96 HD-DVDs).

[Pete2s]

I'm new here, so I don't want to piss anyone off. Let me get some rule clarification:

Just to make sure, you can't post valid counterpoints, right?

You can't point out flaws in people's statistics or logic, right?

You must mindlessly post only about Blu-Ray and pretend the war is already over, we're just going through the motions?

I think I'm almost in the mindset to create my second post: there is no $98 special, there is no $98 special, there is no $98 special, there is no $98 special...

[WickyWoo]

Look l'm not trying to pull a "chicken little" here or anything, but isn't it a bad thing if these sell out?

Yes and no. Every HD sale is "bad", but it demonstrates desperation to the industry, and in the end there aren't enough of them going out there to really make a difference

People swayed by that kind of firesale pricing are not going tobe buying discs by the gross like AVSers do. I expect a pile of them might pick up TF and a few others and be happy with the 5 freebies

It's not Toshiba. Even at the $198 price, WM is losing 28% off what they paid for the players. With the drop to $98, it gets worse. They are losing quite a bit on these sales (including the $14.96 HD-DVDs).

That is the total antithesis of how WM works, and they would have told Toshiba to go to hell if they were expected to eat $30-40 a deck.

They are being credited for every one of those players, guaranteed