Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Why? Just the movie is fine.

because I am a movie fan and not a time waster. IT is not about being able to say I saw X movies , but once I see a movie that I liked it is fun to see how they pulled it off, if it is a movie that is bad (or good) de34leted scenes are fun since they open Pandora’s box of “would it be better with that scene or not” and ”would I have made it differently”

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I always watch movie from start to finish

same here, movies were not made to be seen in instalments with a long hiatus in between, if I start a movie and can't finish it (which happens sometimes) I just restart it. If it will be a short interruption (let's say someone ringing at the door) then I pause it.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I believe physical will survive only because the HD/Bandwidth issue has not been solved. Even then I will be storing in my house never in the cloud.

I worked in a theater and we loaded very large file movie from flash drives. I see no reason why 4K wont be delivered the same.

I don't know how 4k will be delivered, but you need to realize that large drives (flash or HDD) is an extremely expensive way to distribute, it can work for something like theatres or an ultra niche market, but not well for mass distribution where you need a lot of copies distributed cheaply.
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[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't know how 4k will be delivered, but you need to realize that large drives (flash or HDD) is an extremely expensive way to distribute, it can work for something like theatres or an ultra niche market, but not well for mass distribution where you need a lot of copies distributed cheaply.
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which is why the studios are ****ing in their pants over the idea of cloud streaming. no need to distribute but through the net and let the consumer take care of the hard drive

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I am sure I read that satellite delivery may be an option soon.

I believe some theaters can already take delivery of a satellite download. I am actually surprised that digital did convert from film so fast after Avatar in and around 2009. Film distribution had a huge infrastructure. If if weren't for the VPF offered by the studios as an incentive, we would still see film in most theatres today.

The sad part is that consumers who go to the movies suffer, film was always and is still superior to digital presentation (even 4K) and all they are seeing is a slightly better than 1080p in most 2K cinema installations.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I believe some theaters can already take delivery of a satellite download. I am actually surprised that digital did convert from film so fast after Avatar in and around 2009. Film distribution had a huge infrastructure. If if weren't for the VPF offered by the studios as an incentive, we would still see film in most theatres today.

The sad part is that consumers who go to the movies suffer, film was always and is still superior to digital presentation (even 4K) and all they are seeing is a slightly better than 1080p in most 2K cinema installations.

I don't get you page master! Why can't you see the logic behind bluray presentation as well? I don't get your logic, I really don't.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I am sure I read that satellite delivery may be an option soon.

Broken or lost drives remain one of the leading causes of that rare missed exhibition, which some unlucky theater-goers might have unhappily experienced. But the BIG motivating factor(s) for satellite delivery is that it offers a method for significant cost-cutting in distribution.

One thing which has delayed implementation of satellite delivery, is concern over security due to the historical lack ofk good encryption with satellite. But things are changing rapidly (recent news from last week)…
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...e-movie-426659

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by img eL

In addition to the equipment already found in a film-based movie theatre a DCI-compliant digital cinema screen requires a digital projector and a computer known as a "server"[14]
Movies are supplied to the theatre as a digital file called a "Digital Cinema Package"(DCP).[15] For a typical feature film this file will be of the order of 200-300GB and may arrive as a physical delivery on a conventional computer hard-drive or via satellite or fibre-optic broadband.[16] Currently (Feb 2013) physical deliveries are most common, but this may well change in the near future. Advertisements and trailers are also supplied as DCPs but, due to their much smaller size, these will normally be supplied on DVD-ROM, USB stick or by internet download.
Regardless of how the DCP arrives it first needs to be copied onto the internal hard-drives of the server, a process known as "ingesting". DCPs can be, and in the case of feature films almost always are, encrypted. The necessary decryption keys are supplied separately, usually as email attachments. Keys are time limited and will expire after the end of the period for which the title has been booked. They are also locked to the hardware (server and projector) that is to screen the film, so if the theatre wishes to move the title to another screen or extend the run a new key must be obtained from the distributor.[17]
The playback of the content is controlled by the server using a "playlist". As the name implies this is a list of all the content that is to be played as part of the performance, the playlist will be created by a member of the theatre's staff using proprietary software that runs on the server. In addition to listing the content to be played the playlist also includes automation cues that allow the playlist to control the projector, the sound system, auditorium lighting, tab curtains and screen masking (if present) etc. The playlist can be started manually, by clicking the "play" button on the server's monitor screen, or automatically at pre-set times.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cinema

I am sure I read that term before without quotation marks…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...st#post6994149

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Broken or lost drives remain one of the leading causes of that rare missed exhibition, which some unlucky theater-goers might have unhappily experienced. But the BIG motivating factor(s) for satellite delivery is that it offers a method for significant cost-cutting in distribution.

One thing which has delayed implementation of satellite delivery, is concern over security due to the historical lack ofk good encryption with satellite. But things are changing rapidly (recent news from last week)…
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...e-movie-426659

Interesting, thanks.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Broken or lost drives remain one of the leading causes of that rare missed exhibition, which some unlucky theater-goers might have unhappily experienced. But the BIG motivating factor(s) for satellite delivery is that it offers a method for significant cost-cutting in distribution.

One thing which has delayed implementation of satellite delivery, is concern over security due to the historical lack ofk good encryption with satellite. But things are changing rapidly (recent news from last week)…
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...e-movie-426659

P.S. As to the last sentence in the above ^ report, (and not mentioned in the mainstream press) is that two distributors have already predicted that this autumn will be their last digital/film release….after that, expect digital only, no dualies.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don't get you page master! Why can't you see the logic behind bluray presentation as well? I don't get your logic, I really don't.

What don't get? Explain (in a pleasant way) what you are confused about?

I don't have an issue with blu ray, I just don't believe that it is a must for home viewing unless of course you are watching on a screen close to 80" or above.

If you are running a decent sound system set-up, then yes, blu ray or at least 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS should be used. But for the majority of folks, sound is usually the least of their concerns.

As for movie theatres, 2K digital is the worst ever thing that exhibitors can be offering.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

What don't get? Explain (in a pleasant way) what you are confused about?

I don't have an issue with blu ray, I just don't believe that it is a must for home viewing unless of course you are watching on a screen close to 80" or above.

If you are running a decent sound system set-up, then yes, blu ray or at least 5.1 Dolby Digital or DTS should be used. But for the majority of folks, sound is usually the least of their concerns.

As for movie theatres, 2K digital is the worst ever thing that exhibitors can be offering.

Can't be bothered. I'm done with this thread.

[Solo man]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I believe some theaters can already take delivery of a satellite download. I am actually surprised that digital did convert from film so fast after Avatar in and around 2009. Film distribution had a huge infrastructure. If if weren't for the VPF offered by the studios as an incentive, we would still see film in most theatres today.

The sad part is that consumers who go to the movies suffer, film was always and is still superior to digital presentation (even 4K) and all they are seeing is a slightly better than 1080p in most 2K cinema installations.

I am confused to why you are saying this when you started a thread like this:


"Ok, I was at my favorite theater tonight, it is a non stadium seating cinema and it is old, it has a lot of atmosphere. I have been watching 35mm films at the cinema for a very long time.

I never thought the day would come when I would actually rather see a movie in digital projection than in film. I knew two of the theaters were converted to digital but tonight I found out that all 6 of the screens are digital.

Now, I am not arguing that digital is the be all end all of film exhibition, but overall I have gotten so used to the look of digital that I now prefer it. I also like the fact that you are 99% guaranteed a flawless showing. I just did not miss the look of film, the scratches, the grain, or the splices. Its not so much that digital "looks" better as it has more to be now getting "used" to the look of digital.

For the record, the showing 2K Barco presentation. I have been gradually seeing more and more digital showings and I am finding myself seeking out digital presentations.

An FYI for everyone, I was a projectionist for 16 years, I worked with film for a long time." Quoted by pagemaster.


Here is the link to your own thread
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=192957

Which is it, you state in your own thread that you prefer the look of digital?

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Solo man

I am confused to why you are saying this when you started a thread like this:


"Ok, I was at my favorite theater tonight, it is a non stadium seating cinema and it is old, it has a lot of atmosphere. I have been watching 35mm films at the cinema for a very long time.

I never thought the day would come when I would actually rather see a movie in digital projection than in film. I knew two of the theaters were converted to digital but tonight I found out that all 6 of the screens are digital.

Now, I am not arguing that digital is the be all end all of film exhibition, but overall I have gotten so used to the look of digital that I now prefer it. I also like the fact that you are 99% guaranteed a flawless showing. I just did not miss the look of film, the scratches, the grain, or the splices. Its not so much that digital "looks" better as it has more to be now getting "used" to the look of digital.

For the record, the showing 2K Barco presentation. I have been gradually seeing more and more digital showings and I am finding myself seeking out digital presentations.

An FYI for everyone, I was a projectionist for 16 years, I worked with film for a long time." Quoted by pagemaster.


Here is the link to your own thread
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=192957

Which is it, you state in your own thread that you prefer the look of digital?

Here is the thing about film, 35mm when done correctly is far superior to digital presentation. Color spectrum, blacks, and pure image quality are just some of the things that make 35mm superior to digital. If film is "done" right, you will not have scratches, dirt, etc.

Also, an "anamorphic" scope image uses the entire 35mm frame, compared to digital which crops the image either at the censor or cropped in post production. When film in "flat", you lose a lot of the image as you crop the image on the 35mm frame.

Digital is reverse:

Flat, or the use of the full frame is needed for full 1080p recording. A movie like The Hobbit was less than 850p...the size of the image is tiny.

A 2K image is nowhere near the quality of a 35mm film.

I do miss 35mm "done right" but I do not miss 35mm done wrong. Over the last 20 years, 35mm presentation quality has gone downhill and a lot of people think it is the fault of 35mm, it is not, theatres owners simply did not care about maintaining film to the standard that film should be at.

With digital, you are least getting new equipment, and you are almost certain that you will get a good presentation that will pass compared to 35mm done completely wrong.

Side by side, digital 2K cannot come close to 35mm film done right. However, almost nobody does 35mm right anymore and the newer generation simply cannot remember what good, correct, 35mm "done right" can look like.

High speed printing, 2K DI do not compare to the traditional photochemical method of 35mm film duplication.

I haven't even mentioned 70mm film.

[Solo man]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

blu ray has a higher quality image, no doubt, however iTunes off an Apple TV offers a good enough alternative that one no longer needs to buy expensive physical media to enjoy a 1080p picture.

Sorry but I don't understand your views because you don't like bluray and you think Apple is a rip off. You have no interest in purchasing an Apple TV as you earlier said so why even mention it as an alternative.

Here is another thread you started,:

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I enjoy my Apple 5th gen iPod and such....I have no interest in purchase an Apple TV as it seems as tho it is a cash grab on Apple's part to purchase their device.

I fully support the idea of streaming, however I hate the idea that Apple makes you buy their product.

Currently I either use my PS3 or I just hook up my laptop.


Is Apple Tv a flop?

Here is the link:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=214233

Do you now have an Apple TV?

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Solo man

Sorry but I don't understand your views because you don't like bluray and you think Apple is a rip off. You have no interest in purchasing an Apple TV as you earlier said so why even mention it as an alternative.

Here is another thread you started,:



Here is the link:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=214233

Do you now have an Apple TV?

Changed my mind.

I tried Apple TV out and I love it!


It is a very good alternative to blu ray and I fully recommend it..Physical media is no longer a requirement or a must have for me.

[Solo man]

I think I understand a little now. You obviously buy blurays and support that media, it is just that you prefer the Apple TV.

[Midnight Rambler]

Originally Posted by steedeel

... I stick to my opinion that most people are just sheep, i am so happy that i am not one. I won't get rid of my piano, i won't get rid of my home cinema, i won't get rid of my record player, i won't get rid of my bluray player, i won't get rid of my separates music system and i won't sell myself out for convenience. Quality, it's all about the quality. In my opinion, kids just don't know what it is.

+1

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Solo man

I think I understand a little now. You obviously buy blurays and support that media, it is just that you prefer the Apple TV.

Yes, I do purchase blu rays and I do support the media, I also still purchase some dvds (2000+) and I have a very large laserdisc (1500+) collection. I generally do like to blu ray.

I should mention, I only support and recommend the current gen Apple TV, the earlier ones were not capable of 1080p.

[Canada]

I like physical copies of movies/music having it stored digitally is nice for transporting files, but with digital media I don't know why but it feels temporary and it doesn't feel like I really own the movie/music.