Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oblivion was finished at 2K, so scratch that one off your 4K wish list.

Yep, no native 4K = no 4K Blu-ray sale for me. Don't have a 3D projector yet but have bought several titles in 3D on Blu-ray. Same here, no native 3D = no 3D Blu-ray sale. Neat site here for Real 3D or Fake 3D info. Maybe there will be a Real 4K or Fake 4K BD site come online when the format gets going.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Yep, no native 4K = no 4K Blu-ray sale for me. Don't have a 3D projector yet but have bought several titles in 3D on Blu-ray. Same here, no native 3D = no 3D Blu-ray sale. Neat site here for Real 3D or Fake 3D info...

A website devoted to a simplistic, judgmental labeling system, which if memory serves, had to *readjust* its placement of Transformers: Dark of the Moon because originally they had it placed in the “real 3D” category….until its true pedigree was publicly revealed.

Let your eyes be the judge by evaluating each 3D motion picture individually , rather than applying a pre-judgmental canned philosophy, for it’s not a matter of ‘real 3D’ vs ‘fake 3D’ in terms of technical superiority….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s+#post5283297

[Penton-Man]

Wendell, if you would like a 2nd opinion nearly 2 years after the above ^ posting, here ya go…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...nd#post8183135

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Yep, no native 4K = no 4K Blu-ray sale for me. Don't have a 3D projector yet but have bought several titles in 3D on Blu-ray. Same here, no native 3D = no 3D Blu-ray sale. Neat site here for Real 3D or Fake 3D info. Maybe there will be a Real 4K or Fake 4K BD site come online when the format gets going.

Question: For those movies that were lensed on an Alexa (2.8K) and then upscaled, would you say no to a 4K edition, even though it'll yield more detail than the regular HD (equiv. 1.9K) version? I recall Grover Crisp saying something like the negative for Taxi Driver held about 3 or 3.5K worth of actual detail, something which I would imagine holds true for a great many movies shot 1.85 flat, so are they out of the question too?

Might seem like a silly question to ask, but I find these arbitrary 'four legs good, two legs bad' decisions about native/converted content to be very short sighted at best, and sadly ill-informed at worst.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Hey guys, Captian Barbossa would say, “native 4K or native 3D only is just a guide”. Been reading reviews for title release info since the days of “The Lasers Edge” (for the LaserDisc format), then rented the title and judged for myself if any given title was worthy of purchase. That practice continues to this day starting with reviews here, AVS, HDD and others with the final review via a Netflix rental.

D-Theater titles were purchased based upon their DVD counterpart because I do not remember any rental outlets for D-Theater tapes.

[Wendell R. Breland]

There most likely will be titles were the source is 2K and the content provider will scale this to 4K, release the content as 4K and charge a premium for said content. They are already doing this with 3D titles. I for one will most likely pass on these titles.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Hey guys, Captian Barbossa would say, “native 4K or native 3D only is just a guide”. Been reading reviews for title release info since the days of “The Lasers Edge” (for the LaserDisc format), then rented the title and judged for myself if any given title was worthy of purchase. That practice continues to this day starting with reviews here, AVS, HDD and others with the final review via a Netflix rental.

3D reviews are soooo very subjective though. Certain reviewers seem to have quite crosstalk-prone displays, and I know first-hand how distracting that can be when trying to gauge how good the 3D is. Some people hanker for 3D popouts, some people won't, so a movie might get marked down/up accordingly.

Best thing to do with 3D is skip the reviews and check them out for yourself.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

There most likely will be titles were the source is 2K and the content provider will scale this to 4K, release the content as 4K and charge a premium for said content. They are already doing this with 3D titles. I for one will most likely pass on these titles.

I don't think that'll be a major concern, because the upscaling inside a decent 4K display is already so very good. Anyone trying that will get hounded out pretty quickly.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I have a projector & don't think I will need 4k but that is just my personal opinion Too. More then happy with the quality I get with what I have.

The Image speaks for itself

have a projector to 120 inch screen and blu rays look amazing on it. No reason for 4K either when blu rays look that good

awesome screen shots by the way

[Tok]

Feel the same way. Blu-ray was needed for projection setups in the home. I don't think 4K is really required to enjoy a movie on a big screen at home.

[blonde_devil]

with the whole 4K thing, it is still a gimmick in the end. what is stopping them from giving better picture/audio quality on currently bluray discs? very little other than they don't want to. remember when dvds first came out? a ton of those movies were on dvd-5 and filled a majority of the disc. then came dvd-9. Did we see a huge improvement in picture and audio quality? no because even though they had the extra space, most companies didn't do anything with it so you still had a portion of the disc being unusued - the extras didn't take up that much space and that was also the time they started doing the second disc for the extras. but along came Superbit - "we have no room for extras because we are using all the space for the movie". this is the same sort of thing. you could improve quality by using the discs to their greatest potential but they don't because they can then sell 4K discs - quality like you have never seen before. I am not saying there isn't an improvement because obviously if you scan at a higher resolution, the picture quality should be better but there was very little stopping them from going it in the first place other than the profit margin. why are most hour-long tv shows really only 44 minutes or so? why do they want most movies to be around 2 hours? $$$$$$$$$$$$

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

he did not really do so. he said "My point being, there are plenty of people out there willing to pay a premium for a product that appeals to them. " he also said later in a different paragraph "I've paid far more for certain Laserdisc and DVHS titles than I have for any DVD or Blu-ray release, so even if BD 4K releases come in at 50 simoleans each I'll eat 'em up and beg for more"

He never said that it will be LD pricing and 50+ like you mentioned but only how high he would be willing to go.

The bottom line is that I was springboarding off of that comment. I didn't mean to mis-paraphrase it. You get overly particular about these things sometimes.

This just brought back memories of 2005-2006 when there were people on forums talking about BDs being 70$+ because it suited their need that it will be doomed. In the end 4K BD is just BD (i.e. same material made on the same replication line) and there is a reason that sometimes you buy a film and there are a half/dozen disks in it (3D BD, 2D BD, Extended cut BD, DVD, DC, extras) or that you buy one film (new releae) and it is more than 20$ and buy a different film just beside it in the garbadge bin for 5$. Proicing on films is not based on materials, the disks themselves are next to nothing so adding one more 4K BD does not add much, but what people will pay for it.

It probably won't be $70+ But even at $25-$30, it may be tougher to get people to buy again. You figure that just with formats that have been mainstream like VHS, DVD, and Blu-Ray, many people have already bought many older movies (old enough to have been around during the VHS era) at least 3 times... possibly more depending on different editions coming out with different extras, etc. Then add in those who got onboard with niche formats like Laserdisc and failed competitors of winning formats like Beta and HD-DVD, and that potential number goes up.

There's a reason why many older films (that existed prior to the launch of DVD) were sold on DVD at ~$20 when they first came out, but are now being licensed out by the major studios to the likes of Mill Creek and Echo Bridge and sold at ~$5. People don't want to keep spending $20 on them each time they come out on a new format. It's repurchase fatigue.

I'm not completely writing off 4K Blu-Ray at this point, but I am on the fence about whether I really want to dive into another format again. I think this will be the case with people who were more open about jumping onto Blu-Ray after already investing into DVD. It's going to have to be one hell of a difference in terms of PQ for me to get on board with it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tok

Feel the same way. Blu-ray was needed for projection setups in the home. I don't think 4K is really required to enjoy a movie on a big screen at home.

Until we start thinking that the picture looks a tad soft compared to 4K

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

It probably won't be $70+ But even at $25-$30, it may be tougher to get people to buy again.

I think Sony announced the price point for 4K downloads via the FMP-X1, and $29.99 is the number. That probably gives us the ballpark of what 4KBD pricing will be. Like others, I remember the days of paying twice that amount for laserdisc releases.

I agree that 1080p bluray looks fantastic via projector. Just in terms of resolution, a good argument has been made that a properly mastered 1080p BD is superior to a 35mm theatrical release print. And certainly for movies that were shot with 2K cameras, there won't be any pressing need to upgrade.

In my opinion however, a 4KBD mastered from a native 4K production -- or from original 35mm camera negative -- yields results that far surpass almost any experience you can get in a commercial movie theater... and will absolutely be worth paying for.

My own copy of LAWRENCE OF ARABIA in 4K??? To me, this is a no-brainer.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Until we start thinking that the picture looks a tad soft compared to 4K

not gonna happen

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mredman

not gonna happen

We shall see.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Hey guys, Captian Barbossa would say, “native 4K or native 3D only is just a guide”. Been reading reviews for title release info since the days of “The Lasers Edge” (for the LaserDisc format), then rented the title and judged for myself if any given title was worthy of purchase. That practice continues to this day starting with reviews here, AVS, HDD and others with the final review via a Netflix rental.

With all the listed caveats, fair enough . In regard to AVS, I’m told indications are that the membership-at-large and the administration is much more ‘pro’ than ‘anti’ 4K, for which I’m happy they’re finally getting it right after choosing the wrong (and technologically inferior) side in the Blu-ray vs. HD DVD format war.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mredman

not gonna happen

Interesting….but confusing . So your future forecasts are more accurate than your knowledge of past events?
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post7361454

I would have thought that the crystal ball thing would be much more difficult.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We shall see.

I have only one reservation as to application….https://twitter.com/mattpcarter/stat...743424/photo/1

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[blonde_devil]

the thing we all need to remember too is what are we watching - having a clearer picture doesn't always make the movie better. bluray is already pushing the limits of some older shows like Twilight Zone and Star Trek because the make-up, costumes and sets were never meant to be seen this clear and therefore you are starting to see seams, see brushstrokes on matte paintings, etc. scanning these things in a 4k or 8k is going to start taking away from the experince when you watch them as you are now going to see things that you never saw before. Movies are no different. Look at Back to the Future - many of the effects there are looking less than stellar since you now see things much clearer than was planned



doesn't look nearly as convincing now as it did 20 years ago. As "better" formats come along, a lot of these movies and shows are going to start looking worse and worse.