Oh noes teh sky is falling! - Page 326 - Blu-ray Forum

ouflak · 05-01-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

This belongs in the "OH NOES! THE SKY IS FALLING" thread.

MODS, please move thread there. Thanks.

You think Sony is claiming that the sky is falling? I don't think it's that bad. It's just that there investment isn't turning out as profitable as they'd hoped. The format will still live on, even if it begins to decline.

jblank · 05-01-2014, 07:36 PM

Sony has been losing money hand over fist for some time now. To say that Blu-Ray is the biggest problem they have is like telling someone with a terminal illness they have a cold. Sony isn't terminal, the format isn't terminal, but Sony is going to have to restructure and reorganize some divisions, maybe killing off some in the process (the PC division is going bye-bye).

Musicguy · 05-01-2014, 07:37 PM

By now many people have purchased lots of DVD or blu-rays, it's not like they were going to keep going on and buying forever. Once a library is built that's it, unless you start to up-grade. The market is over saturated.

Same thing happened in the music industry. People still buy CDs - not in large numbers but they still buy them. Biggest problem is there are no more music or video stores (How many teens shop at Wal-Mart?) so they only thing left is to download

So they're closing some over seas plants - DVDs aren't selling in the volume they used to be, neither are CDs. Or maybe studios have found cheaper pressing plants else where.

Downloading is taking some of the market - but I know few people over 40 who download movies or music - it's mostly the kids. That will soon pass too just like Video rental stores did, and a new tech comes in.

People will still download, they will still by discs.

Most home video releases catered to the latest blockbuster - that drove the industry - people weren't going to theaters, they just bought the DVD and watched it at home (it was easier and cheaper) that market has slipped the most due to downloading.

Catalog sales were more aimed at collecting anyway from the Laserdisc days to today when it was always a niche market

slick1ru2 · 05-01-2014, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jblank

Sony has been losing money hand over fist for some time now. To say that Blu-Ray is the biggest problem they have is like telling someone with a terminal illness they have a cold. Sony isn't terminal, the format isn't terminal, but Sony is going to have to restructure and reorganize some divisions, maybe killing off some in the process (the PC division is going bye-bye).

I didn't say it was their biggest problem. I said its the worse thing about Blu-ray that Sony has said. And you are brushing off a quarter of a billion dollars like its chump change.

CRD13NYC · 05-01-2014, 07:53 PM

Man good thing Sony didn't put a blu ray player in those millions of PS4 they just sold.

jblank · 05-01-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I didn't say it was their biggest problem. I said its the worse thing about Blu-ray that Sony has said. And you are brushing off a quarter of a billion dollars like its chump change.

Yes sir, I am, because there is nothing in that loss that is going to change our ability to buy Sony films on Blu-Ray. If you want to go all digital and be the standard bearer for abandoning Blu, then be my guest. You seem exceedingly anxious to think this is a nail in the coffin for the format, when if anything, this is just another example of Sony's profitability problems.

slick1ru2 · 05-01-2014, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jblank

Yes sir, I am, because there is nothing in that loss that is going to change our ability to buy Sony films on Blu-Ray. If you want to go all digital and be the standard bearer for abandoning Blu, then be my guest. You seem exceedingly anxious to think this is a nail in the coffin for the format, when if anything, this is just another example of Sony's profitability problems.

But it might effect the development of 4k Blu-ray.

Clark Kent · 05-01-2014, 08:01 PM

The statement is not concerned with Blu-ray's survival, but its future growth potential. We are much closer to the peak in Blu-ray revenue than projected and Sony is worried it might impact their profitability.

pentatonic · 05-01-2014, 08:02 PM

I think it's just Sony saying they just won't spend on any R&D that doesn't turn a profit. It's quite clear most Japanese manufacturers are either soon not be a be important (just look at how Panasonic made the 3 best TVs of all last year and this year, well nothing, nothing at all). Sharp has been on life support for a while and Toshiba, well they don't count.

I guess Sony will only concentrate their money and effort to UHD alone. And chances are they will be used all through the chain soon, so I guess as long as their films get distributed without spending any sounds mighty interesting right now. Most love to hate Sony but in all honesty without them we'd be out of the best things. Guess they just see it as the Koreans and Chinese are actually profiting from that market, let them do all the developing, Sony getting out of that is a very wise business decision, they did enough already imo (invent the BD, push the format through their consoles, do all that and lose money, is well, getting stupid

jblank · 05-01-2014, 08:02 PM

Which I care very little about. Look, we can't even get decent HDTV from the cable companies or satellite providers, so until there is a REASON to get a 4K screen, 1080p for Blu-Ray is perfectly fine for me and 99% of others.

msb1428 · 05-01-2014, 08:03 PM

Until these companies can make streaming movies glitch free and offer EVERY title physical disc for movies will not die!!!! CD's would have to be obsolete first. I just cant accept with buying digital movies online that they don't let me download it..so your not really buying anything but the ability to access it. so what happens when that service looses the rights to that film?? They have my money, but I don't have my movie anymore. Or if the internet goes down I can't watch my movies..NO THANKS!!!

mredman · 05-01-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by slick1ru2

that you went back and searched for bad news only proves you are nothing more than a streaming troll. what are you doing on a blu ray site

mredman · 05-01-2014, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jblank

Which I care very little about. Look, we can't even get decent HDTV from the cable companies or satellite providers, so until there is a REASON to get a 4K screen, 1080p for Blu-Ray is perfectly fine for me and 99% of others.

its fine for me to i do not need 4K. 1080p blu ray look amazing even on big projector screen

Kirsty_Mc · 05-01-2014, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by msb1428

Until these companies can make streaming movies glitch free and offer EVERY title physical disc for movies will not die!!!! CD's would have to be obsolete first. I just cant accept with buying digital movies online that they don't let me download it..so your not really buying anything but the ability to access it. so what happens when that service looses the rights to that film?? They have my money, but I don't have my movie anymore. Or if the internet goes down I can't watch my movies..NO THANKS!!!

My thoughts exactly. If I'm paying for something I want it in my hand.

slick1ru2 · 05-01-2014, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

that you went back and searched for bad news only proves you are nothing more than a streaming troll. what are you doing on a blu ray site

I just pointed out your folly of posting that chart. I buy and own Blu-rays. I have 5 Blu-ray players. I have a lot of money invested in it so when there is bad news I don't pull up useless charts and make unsupported statements.

Steedeel · 05-01-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I just pointed out your folly of posting that chart. I buy and own Blu-rays. I have 5 Blu-ray players. I have a lot of money invested in it so when there is bad news I don't pull up useless charts and make unsupported statements.

No you tell everyone how great streaming is (my opinion)

Petra_Kalbrain · 05-01-2014, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ouflak

You think Sony is claiming that the sky is falling? I don't think it's that bad. It's just that there investment isn't turning out as profitable as they'd hoped. The format will still live on, even if it begins to decline.

You misinterpret the thread intention entirely. "OH NOES! THE SKY IS FALLING" is a thread where people make excessively grand conjecture from simple news/statements. In this case, this thread is trying to encite fear and doubt where none is necessary or called for.

slick1ru2 · 05-01-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

No you tell everyone how great streaming is (my opinion)

It is for cord cutters. And?

mredman · 05-01-2014, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by msb1428

Until these companies can make streaming movies glitch free and offer EVERY title physical disc for movies will not die!!!! CD's would have to be obsolete first. I just cant accept with buying digital movies online that they don't let me download it..so your not really buying anything but the ability to access it. so what happens when that service looses the rights to that film?? They have my money, but I don't have my movie anymore. Or if the internet goes down I can't watch my movies..NO THANKS!!!

this. I am done collecting if there were no physical media. The studios would not get a cent from me in the home entertainment market

mredman · 05-01-2014, 08:37 PM

and you think that article is something to be smiling about

what you can

about is most of the comments on that site

05-01-2014, 08:02 PM	#6509
pentatonic Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Montreal, Canada Blu-ray collection:570 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:158	I think it's just Sony saying they just won't spend on any R&D that doesn't turn a profit. It's quite clear most Japanese manufacturers are either soon not be a be important (just look at how Panasonic made the 3 best TVs of all last year and this year, well nothing, nothing at all). Sharp has been on life support for a while and Toshiba, well they don't count. I guess Sony will only concentrate their money and effort to UHD alone. And chances are they will be used all through the chain soon, so I guess as long as their films get distributed without spending any sounds mighty interesting right now. Most love to hate Sony but in all honesty without them we'd be out of the best things. Guess they just see it as the Koreans and Chinese are actually profiting from that market, let them do all the developing, Sony getting out of that is a very wise business decision, they did enough already imo (invent the BD, push the format through their consoles, do all that and lose money, is well, getting stupid Last edited by pentatonic; 05-01-2014 at 08:24 PM.

05-01-2014, 08:37 PM	#6520
mredman Banned Member since:Jun 2008 Blu-ray collection:13 Blu-ray reviews:7	and you think that article is something to be smiling about what you can about is most of the comments on that site Last edited by mredman; 05-01-2014 at 08:41 PM.

05-01-2014, 07:36 PM	#6502
jblank Power Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Bristol, Tennessee 4K collection:284 Blu-ray collection:374 Trading Score:131	Sony has been losing money hand over fist for some time now. To say that Blu-Ray is the biggest problem they have is like telling someone with a terminal illness they have a cold. Sony isn't terminal, the format isn't terminal, but Sony is going to have to restructure and reorganize some divisions, maybe killing off some in the process (the PC division is going bye-bye).

05-01-2014, 07:37 PM	#6503
Musicguy Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Blu-ray collection:640 DVD collection:148	By now many people have purchased lots of DVD or blu-rays, it's not like they were going to keep going on and buying forever. Once a library is built that's it, unless you start to up-grade. The market is over saturated. Same thing happened in the music industry. People still buy CDs - not in large numbers but they still buy them. Biggest problem is there are no more music or video stores (How many teens shop at Wal-Mart?) so they only thing left is to download So they're closing some over seas plants - DVDs aren't selling in the volume they used to be, neither are CDs. Or maybe studios have found cheaper pressing plants else where. Downloading is taking some of the market - but I know few people over 40 who download movies or music - it's mostly the kids. That will soon pass too just like Video rental stores did, and a new tech comes in. People will still download, they will still by discs. Most home video releases catered to the latest blockbuster - that drove the industry - people weren't going to theaters, they just bought the DVD and watched it at home (it was easier and cheaper) that market has slipped the most due to downloading. Catalog sales were more aimed at collecting anyway from the Laserdisc days to today when it was always a niche market

05-01-2014, 07:53 PM	#6505
CRD13NYC Active Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:New York City 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:612 Digital collection:24 Trading Score:3	Man good thing Sony didn't put a blu ray player in those millions of PS4 they just sold.

05-01-2014, 08:01 PM	#6508
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	The statement is not concerned with Blu-ray's survival, but its future growth potential. We are much closer to the peak in Blu-ray revenue than projected and Sony is worried it might impact their profitability.

05-01-2014, 08:02 PM	#6510
jblank Power Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Bristol, Tennessee 4K collection:284 Blu-ray collection:374 Trading Score:131	Which I care very little about. Look, we can't even get decent HDTV from the cable companies or satellite providers, so until there is a REASON to get a 4K screen, 1080p for Blu-Ray is perfectly fine for me and 99% of others.

05-01-2014, 08:03 PM	#6511
msb1428 Senior Member Member since:Jul 2012 Blu-ray collection:499 DVD collection:737 Digital collection:11	Until these companies can make streaming movies glitch free and offer EVERY title physical disc for movies will not die!!!! CD's would have to be obsolete first. I just cant accept with buying digital movies online that they don't let me download it..so your not really buying anything but the ability to access it. so what happens when that service looses the rights to that film?? They have my money, but I don't have my movie anymore. Or if the internet goes down I can't watch my movies..NO THANKS!!!

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