Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Sammy]

easy.

[Dathon]

I hope someone comes out with Star Trek GUI for that stupid iPad, with all the sounds and LCARS menus. And make it functional. Then maybe I would buy it to show off to other people. But I bet Apple locked down the whole GUI. So you can't change anything.

I don't understand why these companies don't make devices where the skin can't be changed entirely to look like Star Trek LCARS. That kind of device would sell like HOTCAKES!

[thorthefifth]

Just throwing this out there but, when my pc bricks I usually just need a new peice of hardware or some updates to fix it. When a mac bricks, it bricks and its a ***** to get back in working order. I was pissed when all of the work I had been doing at school was lost when my mac bricked. Mac technician told me it'd be cheaper to get a new one since it was three years old. So, yeah, I'm a "PC"(even though that's a joke Mac's are personal computers)
rant over

[Sammy]

My home-built from newegg parts current P.C. has been up and running just fine for about 4 years now with XP and no issues to complain about. It is a myth that apples are better than P.C.'s. My kid's iPod is pretty cool (with a nice interface) though I don't have one as I have an el cheapo Sansa MP3 player. As a matter of fact, my kid's iPod is the only iAnything in the house.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alkalinesi

what has apple produced that was better than the competition? really? how about a computer that freakin worked. I had my imac for alil over 3 years and not had a single problem with it. can i say the same for the PC i had before it? deff not! the biggest piece of shit! yea i agree what Jobs is doing, is messed up. but its buisness.

so except for possibly buying a POS PC what does it prove. The PC I use for "home use" is 7+ year old and always worked well.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Sammy

My home-built from newegg parts current P.C. has been up and running just fine for about 4 years now with XP and no issues to complain about. It is a myth that apples are better than P.C.'s. My kid's iPod is pretty cool (with a nice interface) though I don't have one as I have an el cheapo Sansa MP3 player. As a matter of fact, my kid's iPod is the only iAnything in the house.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

so except for possibly buying a POS PC what does it prove. The PC I use for "home use" is 7+ year old and always worked well.

+1

I've never even really bought a "new computer", I've just perpetually swapped and upgraded parts over the last eighteen years or so, and in all those years, I can count my computer's down-time in hours.

That "macs work, PCs don't work" myth is straight Apple FUD, with no basis in fact or statistics... on the surface, it's just too broad of a generalization to be true. I mean, which PC is such a headache? Dell? Sony? HP? Certainly not Asus. In fact, I've said for years, "the day I go Mac will be the day that I can build one, myself, around an Asus motherboard."

[#1 Rush fan]

It's pretty simple...Apple has the control of the hardware the OS runs on. This is an enormous advantage... Most people are not going to "patch" together hardware over 18 years as the previous post suggests..LOL.. As for Apple supporting Blu-ray -- lets all be honest here...as much as you may like Blu-ray it really isn't mainstream to the degree needed for it to become defacto standard on PC's or Mac's...

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by #1 Rush fan

It's pretty simple...Apple has the control of the hardware the OS runs on. This is an enormous advantage... Most people are not going to "patch" together hardware over 18 years as the previous post suggests..LOL.. As for Apple supporting Blu-ray -- lets all be honest here...as much as you may like Blu-ray it really isn't mainstream to the degree needed for it to become defacto standard on PC's or Mac's...

No they don't. Aside from the motherboard, Macs are made from the same parts as other PC brands; and since they use the same peripherals, CPU, and memory, the motherboards are, by necessity, not fundamentally different, it's basically just a brand-name of motherboard with a Mac contract. It's as I said before: Mac arguments are often based on the circumstances of the early 1990's. Back then, yes, the hardware was different. Now, it is not.

You really missed the point about keeping my computer working for 18 years just swapping and upgrading parts: the point is that I've had a PC working for 18 years with mere hours of downtime, and the generic blanket-statement that PCs are glitchy, buggy crap with a litany of compatibility issues is pure FUD mythology.

... and you're wrong about blu-ray: obviously, it's mainstream enough for all of Mac's competitors to include it. I think you're working from the defective reasoning that if Apple isn't using it, then it must not be that great.

[GORT]

Is it me or does IPad sound like something women use once a month.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by GORT

Is it me or does IPad sound like something women use once a month.

Yes... yes it does.

[alkalinesi]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Just as I said: Mac proponents falling back on the bogus just-so story: "Macs work, PCs don't work". Do you actually believe that, Alkalinesi, or have you just repeated it in iChurch so many times that you don't even think about it any more?

If PCs worked as badly as the Mac cult says they do, then they wouldn't be able to sell them. (Of course, it might shatter your worldview to learn that a Mac is a PC. Mac is just a brand name, it's not a fundamentally different machine. Same hardware, different OS. Your leaders have LIED to you.)




Classic in-group/out-group cult language.

... and the word is "anonymous", not "unanimous".

umm. im telling you that i have had not one problem with my mac. noone lied to me. and yes pc's still sell cux theyre cheaper! its funny cuz the guys i work with are constantly complaining about something going wrong with their computers and yes theyre PC's. Pc's are good for the cheap people but im telling you i will NEVER buy a PC after using an apple. but this is my opinion, so chill.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by alkalinesi

umm. im telling you that i have had not one problem with my mac. noone lied to me. and yes pc's still sell cux theyre cheaper! its funny cuz the guys i work with are constantly complaining about something going wrong with their computers and yes theyre PC's. Pc's are good for the cheap people but im telling you i will NEVER buy a PC after using an apple. but this is my opinion, so chill.

Again with the stock pro-Apple arguments:

"PC's are just for the cheapskates."

I've built gaming PC's that cost twice as much as any Mac, and will abundantly outperform any Mac, with hard, measurable statistics. PC's are not generically cheaper. Some brands are, some aren't. Dells and HP's are comparatively inexpensive, Sony's and Asus, for example, are not. There are also a range of prices and specs within each brand. You're speaking in unsupportable generalizations. There is no "Mac versus PC", that's all just Mac marketing, and it's based about twenty years in the past. There is Mac vs. Dell vs. Sony vs. Compaq vs. Acer vs. etc. etc. etc.

I'm glad you've had good luck with your Mac. I know many who have not been so lucky. If someone told you that Macs are trouble free, and that PCs are nothing but trouble, then that person lied to you. If Macs were perfect, they wouldn't need service benches in their stores. They're not magic, they're just computers.

[Blu-ray Fanatic]

Well, he needs to find a different job that involves blu-ray. Also, some people never change.

[alkalinesi]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Again with the stock pro-Apple arguments:

"PC's are just for the cheapskates."

I've built gaming PC's that cost twice as much as any Mac, and will abundantly outperform any Mac, with hard, measurable statistics. PC's are not generically cheaper. Some brands are, some aren't. Dells and HP's are comparatively inexpensive, Sony's and Asus, for example, are not. There are also a range of prices and specs within each brand. You're speaking in unsupportable generalizations. There is no "Mac versus PC", that's all just Mac marketing, and it's based about twenty years in the past. There is Mac vs. Dell vs. Sony vs. Compaq vs. Acer vs. etc. etc. etc.

I'm glad you've had good luck with your Mac. I know many who have not been so lucky. If someone told you that Macs are trouble free, and that PCs are nothing but trouble, then that person lied to you. If Macs were perfect, they wouldn't need service benches in their stores. They're not magic, they're just computers.

well you are obviously talented in that department of building computers, im not. so what i get out of the box is a great product. i know apple has their share of issues, nothing is perfect. but im going by personal experience. same reason why i love sony and panasonic. i know people hate sony, but i had nuttin but good experiences with them thats why i buy sony them. i have a pc downstairs for my jukebox, its running good so far, but its also new and only use it for jukebox. fingers crossed.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by alkalinesi

well you are obviously talented in that department of building computers, im not. so what i get out of the box is a great product. i know apple has their share of issues, nothing is perfect. but im going by personal experience. same reason why i love sony and panasonic. i know people hate sony, but i had nuttin but good experiences with them thats why i buy sony them. i have a pc downstairs for my jukebox, its running good so far, but its also new and only use it for jukebox. fingers crossed.

There is nothing wrong with brand loyalty. If you buy something and it performs like a champ, it's only reasonable to go back to them when it's time to buy something else. Just be aware that Mac is not in a class all by itself.

In the case of Apple, the last few years have seen some pretty questionable decisions. They have offered products that were missing key features, and insisted that exclusivity is more important than meeting or beating the competition on features. I mean, come on: how hard would it be to make an iPhone with an interchangeable battery, or that can be used with other service providers besides AT&T? Or a laptop with a blu-ray drive? I know why they do it, and I think it's a miscalculated gamble on bad long-term strategy.

[nathanp]

Who cares what jobs thinks, he's just some little fruit in a turtleneck, he won't be around that much longer anyway.

[FendersRule]

I've built and used PCs for 8 years.
I've built and used Macs for 3 years.

Macs IMHO are better for many hardware and software engineering reasons. I'm tired of PC tards telling me how Macs suck when they haven't touched one or know nothing about their unique advantages. I'm also tired of Mac tards who say that PCs suck, but completely ignore their advantages.

I'm sick and tired of all these invalid opinions. Your opinion is simply invalid if you have not worked with both thoroughly (using them at school does not count), and have an open mind. I bet you this applies to 70% of posters in this thread.

Back in my PC days, PCs were a fun toy to play with. I could do LOTS with them for very little money. All I cared about was gaming, overclocking, modding, tweaking, building, playing. I would never ask for those days back.

7 years later, I do the same with Macs (albeit the increased cost). However, I also get the pleasure of living, breathing, and being productive in a well engineered world (MOSX) without having to worry about addware and spamware being shot into registry (yes, I like porn), or not have to worry about "downloading drivers" anymore. There is many advantages to have less hardware options for this very reason. My degree is in Human Factors, and this is the stuff that I pay very close attention too- usability. It has never occurred to me how fun an OS can be for getting work done (movie editing, building websites, photo editing, music production, iWork). I can turn on my Mac, and be seconds away from a live video conference with my father (no additional software), or I can choose to be productive with an extremely efficient software suite (iLife, which is not an additional software piece). You simply cannot ignore these things.

Quality hardware that is engineered to fit in a desirable case, and best of all, the best engineered OS on the planet by far- that's what I'm buying.

And at the end of the day, I can boot my Mac Pro into Windows 7 and play Counterstrike.

Now you'll have to excuse me, I need to get back to my HTPC (which is running Windows 7) and watch something...

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by jakeacc

"1. That Blu-Ray is the future of media and that Jobs is pressing his inferior product on people simply because he can.
2. That people will always want hard copies of their media, in case a hard drive crash occurs and your downloaded movies aren't backed up."

1. When all computers came standard with a floppy drive, Jobs was ahead of the curve and released a Mac without a floppy drive. He was way ahead of the curve when he released the Macbook Air without a DVD drive. He knows optical drives are used less and less each year.

2. I fundamentally disagree that people will always want HARD COPIES of their media. I already gave the example of digital music. How many people still buy CDs? How many people burn all their mp3s to CDs? The majority keeps their digital music DIGITAL. (on their portable music player, their computer, and backed up on a external hard drive) People will be doing the same with digital video files. The future of home video will be either digital downloads or digital streaming. Steve Jobs knows this, so adding an optical drive (regardless if its a CD, DVD, or Blu-ray drive) is just delaying the inevitable.

#1. So, what your saying is that Jobs is so "ahead of the curve" that he doesn't want to offer people what technology is available right now? Instead, he wants to give them nothing in its place until something better comes along? That doesn't make any sense. If this is the case, Mac computers and Macbooks will never grow and change with the market! He wants proprietary control over the market with his iTunes network. And with lower quality technical specs, the higher price tag adds significant profit margins to each unit sold. In a way, he is approaching the market like Monster does, only worse!!! At least with overpriced Monster products you are getting the exact same functionality as their competitors. With Mac, you don't get the same funcitonality. Granted, what the Mac does is of great quality, it doesn't offer the opportunity to grow with the market. It's either "buy the newer model" or "be stuck with what you have now."

#2. When it comes to films, people WILL always want hard copies. Streaming media is still 15 years from becoming mainstream enough because of the requirements necessary for PROPER HD CONTENT to be processed at the speeds and quality of Blu-ray content. I WILL NEVER IN MY LIFETIME PURCHASE OR PAY FOR ANY FILMS THAT I CAN'T KEEP ON A SHELF! As for the music aspect? Totally invalid arguement. That's like saying that everyone will want to only peel their apples in the future because nobody eats their orange rinds. Music is a highly different scenario. MP3's work in the digital storage method because they are short pieces of entertainment which people enjoy a variety of without semblance of interconnectivity. I have over 300 MP3s that get put on shuffle so as to minimize repetition of similar content. People are much more selective about their film experiences. I don't know anyone who would set their entire film collection on shuffle! It would prove much more annoying to find something that you want to watch that way. Add to that the "plain as daylight" quality difference between digital "HD" downloads and Blu-ray content? It's a no-brainer.

DIGITAL WORKS FOR MUSIC. IT DOES NOT WORK FOR FILM COLLECTIONS.

Originally Posted by Sammy

Blu-Ray, There's not an app for that!

POST OF THE DAY!!!

[DarchAmonNagar]

Originally Posted by GORT

Is it me or does IPad sound like something women use once a month.

That got me laughing! Good one.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by nathanp

Who cares what jobs thinks, he's just some little fruit in a turtleneck, he won't be around that much longer anyway.

So, do you think the cult will implode when health issues finally force him to retire?