Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[slick1ru2]

I think all of you have way over estimated how many people even have BD players. The PS3, which accounts for over half the BD players sold, just went over 50 million units. Many with the PS3, don't even own BD or even use it with an HDTV. TV sales are not a good indicator of the number that even use their TV with any type of HD equipment either since you couldn't buy an SD TV anyway.

So overall, 100 million worldwide tops even have BD players and some of those aren't even used for BD. The entire world needing HSI is ridiculous argument since only a small percentage use high def as it is now. Think of how many of your friends and family have BD and HD. One of my sisters does, the other doesn't. The one that does had an HDTV, she didn't even have a BD player until I gave her one for Christmas. I think I have 1 neighbor that does that I know about and I live in a middle class suburb of Atlanta.

At the end of 2009, 24 million BD players worldwide, including the PS3. http://hollywoodinhidef.com/2010/10/...to-hit-24-mil/

Many more have access to HSI then BD players.

As many people have NetFlix right now as had BD players in 2009 and they have double digit growth rate.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

But the lower the bitrate the crappier it is.


First the point is pretty stupid, someone could be renting BDs from Netflix (or other places) one is not forced to buy movies to watch BDs, the other day my sister borrowed some BDs from the municipal library (so truly free).

As for renting vs buying. Let me ask you this, Joe and Frank both work together, Joe uses Netflix (does not matter if he is DL or BD) and Frank buys BDs, the place closes down and both Joe and Frank ae out of a job, a few months later Joe being cash strapped cuts off Netflix and Frank stops buying BDs, How many films can Joe watch? how many films can Frank? And let's not forget, that if later things get worst Frank can always sell part of his BD collection for extra $ while Joe is out of luck.






maybe but this is the issue, if the electric company is down then neither I nor my neighbour can watch anything unless we have other means of electricity (like a generator), if the ISP is down I can watch my BDs if he uses DL then he can't, if the DL server (like Netflix a few days ago and PS3 for well over a week) is down then I can watch my BDs but he can't. Reliability is a bit important but with one of them (disk) you can have 100% reliability while the other you can't since every step is out of your control.


but for under 10$ a month you can be watching BDs with much better 1080p/7.1 lossless or 7.1 lossy in 3D on your PS3. How is crappier picture and crappier sound and, as far as I know, no option for 3D a plus.

You seem to be confusing YouTube with NetFlix. You couldn't tell a NetFlix HD feed from a BD. But I tell you what you could tell the difference of. The NetFlix HD feed of movies like The Four Musketeers with the Four Musketeers DVD along with all the other movies they have HD streaming not available on BD yet. NetFlix is going to have more 1080p/5.1 DD+ streaming at under $10/month then you could buy in BD in 10,000 years.

I watched Diamonds Are Forever in 1080p/5.1 DD+. How does that look on your BD Player, since it hasn't been released and there is no release date. http://www.amazon.com/Diamonds-Forev.../dp/B001AQO3TM Same with both of these, neither are on BD. So I have access to movies in HD you can't buy for a zillion dollars on BD. These being just 3 examples.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You seem to be confusing YouTube with NetFlix. You couldn't tell a NetFlix HD feed from a BD. But I tell you what you could tell the difference of. The NetFlix HD feed of movies like The Four Musketeers with the Four Musketeers DVD along with all the other movies they have HD streaming not available on BD yet. NetFlix is going to have more 1080p/5.1 DD+ streaming at under $10/month then you could buy in BD in 10,000 years.

No offense but that's ridiculous.

It's one thing to say a large number of consumers aren't concerned with quality differences between streaming and BD, it's another thing entirely to pretend those differences don't exist.

Under the best of circumstances the PQ of NetFlix HD streams are roughly on par with upconverted DVD and the pro-logic audio is a clear step backwards.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by octagon

No offense but that's ridiculous.

It's one thing to say a large number of consumers aren't concerned with quality differences between streaming and BD, it's another thing entirely to pretend those differences don't exist.

Under the best of circumstances the PQ of NetFlix HD streams are roughly on par with upconverted DVD and the pro-logic audio is a clear step backwards.

Most can't tell an 720p from a 1080i or 1080p feed on the average HD display. I have Thunderball on BD and they have it streaming 1080p and compared the pq and aq. I'd bet $1000 a statistically significant number could not tell the difference.

They look at it around 4 minutes.

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[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I think all of you have way over estimated how many people even have BD players. The PS3, which accounts for over half the BD players sold, just went over 50 million units.

stand alone player sales are slightly higher then PS3 sales, also you make 50 million sound like nothing, you do realize stand alone BD player sales are outpacing DVD player sales during the same period. And that last year BD was in 17% of US households http://hd.engadget.com/2010/10/03/bl...ts-17-percent/

Many with the PS3, don't even own BD or even use it with an HDTV.

not sure what this means, how many Netflix movies do you own? if someone only rents BDs from Netflix or redbox or somewhere else then what does it matter if he does not own any BD disks? in purchases DL is far more behind since the options are much more limited.

TV sales are not a good indicator of the number that even use their TV with any type of HD equipment either since you couldn't buy an SD TV anyway.

who ever discussed TV sales?

Think of how many of your friends and family have BD and HD. One of my sisters does, the other doesn't. The one that does had an HDTV, she didn't even have a BD player until I gave her one for Christmas. I think I have 1 neighbor that does that I know about and I live in a middle class suburb of Atlanta.

well my sister do (3) and my dad and I and all my drinking buddies do, and I know both my neighbours on each side does (saw the box on trash day). Now who do I know for certain that does not, my grand parents, but they are happy with their VCR and one of my sisters MIL but she got her DVD player in 2006 and has no internet.


[quote]At the end of 2009, 24 million BD players worldwide, including the PS3. http://hollywoodinhidef.com/2010/10/...to-hit-24-mil/

You need to stop reading articles from morons and honestly you need to be less gullible. I posted The DEG report before and here it is again http://www.degonline.org/pressreleases/2011/f_Q410.pdf U.S. BLU-RAY DISC PLAYER SALES TOP 28.5 MILLION UNITS

Now for the gullible part, before trying to explain the environment to us, use your brain, what was your second sentence in this post The PS3, which accounts for over half the BD players sold, just went over [big]50[/big] million units.
now how did the PS3 sell over 50M world wide while PS3+ stand where projected as 24M at the end of 2010? do you think that more then 26M PS3s sold in Q1 2011? Either the person that wrote the article or the person that created the report made a mistake and used the US numbers and claimed them as international or something more odd then that.

The PS3, which accounts for over half the BD players sold, just went over 50 million units.

I don't know Netflix’s growth but again check out DEG, BDs rate of growth is much higher then DL.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You seem to be confusing YouTube with NetFlix. You couldn't tell a NetFlix HD feed from a BD.

well I am not Mr. Magoo blind, I can't imagine anyone wouldbe dumb enough to actualy post that people can't see the difference.

But I tell you what you could tell the difference of. The NetFlix HD feed of movies like The Four Musketeers with the Four Musketeers DVD along with all the other movies they have HD streaming not available on BD yet. NetFlix is going to have more 1080p/5.1 DD+ streaming at under $10/month then you could buy in BD in 10,000 years.

I watched Diamonds Are Forever in 1080p/5.1 DD+. How does that look on your BD Player, since it hasn't been released and there is no release date. http://www.amazon.com/Diamonds-Forev.../dp/B001AQO3TM Same with both of these, neither are on BD. So I have access to movies in HD you can't buy for a zillion dollars on BD. These being just 3 examples.

and some people say upscaled DVD is 1080p. It still looks like crap to anyone that actually cares. As for titles. I have more titles available on BD then I can see, so who cares if a title I am not interested in watching and can do without is available at crappy fake 1080p DL, if I was that kind of person to accept crappy image and sound then I could watch it on my crappy upcscaled to fake 1080p by my player on DVD.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

well I am not Mr. Magoo blind, I can't imagine anyone wouldbe dumb enough to actualy post that people can't see the difference.


and some people say upscaled DVD is 1080p. It still looks like crap to anyone that actually cares. As for titles. I have more titles available on BD then I can see, so who cares if a title I am not interested in watching and can do without is available at crappy fake 1080p DL, if I was that kind of person to accept crappy image and sound then I could watch it on my crappy upcscaled to fake 1080p by my player on DVD.

Fake 1080p? I can't imagine anyone would be dumb enough to bash something they've never laid eyes on.

[AutomaticDriver]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You seem to be confusing YouTube with NetFlix. You couldn't tell a NetFlix HD feed from a BD. But I tell you what you could tell the difference of. The NetFlix HD feed of movies like The Four Musketeers with the Four Musketeers DVD along with all the other movies they have HD streaming not available on BD yet. NetFlix is going to have more 1080p/5.1 DD+ streaming at under $10/month then you could buy in BD in 10,000 years.

I watched Diamonds Are Forever in 1080p/5.1 DD+. How does that look on your BD Player, since it hasn't been released and there is no release date. http://www.amazon.com/Diamonds-Forev.../dp/B001AQO3TM Same with both of these, neither are on BD. So I have access to movies in HD you can't buy for a zillion dollars on BD. These being just 3 examples.

I understand your pro digital Download for movies. But you need to remember. Alot of people would rather have a physical disc then digital downloads. I know I would. A studio or company cant take away something I bought on a physical disc. But they can take it away if I had it downloaded from their website. Before you say," Well they cant take it away if you bought it". Well actually they can, because they will make you sign a Terms agreement and something in there will probably say,"We have to right to delete any movies from our database, even if you own it".

Look at Microsoft (maybe even Sony). On the 360 if you bought a game, you can always download it again(say you delete it or your 360 dies). But it says, you can do that as long as its on the marketplace. Well, some of the games have been taken off the marketplace. So those people that spent money on those games, can no longer re-download it if something happens to their 360.

I want to add. I dont care if Digital Downloads looked the exact same as a bluray. I dont care if a digital download movie was released 2 months or 2 years before the bluray came out. All of that doesnt matter me, I prefer a physical disk.

[slick1ru2]

[quote=Anthony P;4676985]stand alone player sales are slightly higher then PS3 sales, also you make 50 million sound like nothing, you do realize stand alone BD player sales are outpacing DVD player sales during the same period. And that last year BD was in 17% of US households http://hd.engadget.com/2010/10/03/bl...ts-17-percent/


not sure what this means, how many Netflix movies do you own? if someone only rents BDs from Netflix or redbox or somewhere else then what does it matter if he does not own any BD disks? in purchases DL is far more behind since the options are much more limited.



who ever discussed TV sales?



well my sister do (3) and my dad and I and all my drinking buddies do, and I know both my neighbours on each side does (saw the box on trash day). Now who do I know for certain that does not, my grand parents, but they are happy with their VCR and one of my sisters MIL but she got her DVD player in 2006 and has no internet.

At the end of 2009, 24 million BD players worldwide, including the PS3. http://hollywoodinhidef.com/2010/10/...to-hit-24-mil/

You need to stop reading articles from morons and honestly you need to be less gullible. I posted The DEG report before and here it is again http://www.degonline.org/pressreleases/2011/f_Q410.pdf U.S. BLU-RAY DISC PLAYER SALES TOP 28.5 MILLION UNITS

Now for the gullible part, before trying to explain the environment to us, use your brain, what was your second sentence in this post The PS3, which accounts for over half the BD players sold, just went over [big]50[/big] million units.
now how did the PS3 sell over 50M world wide while PS3+ stand where projected as 24M at the end of 2010? do you think that more then 26M PS3s sold in Q1 2011? Either the person that wrote the article or the person that created the report made a mistake and used the US numbers and claimed them as international or something more odd then that.



I don't know Netflix’s growth but again check out DEG, BDs rate of growth is much higher then DL.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=business

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...?docId=6693806

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by 3DForLife

I understand your pro digital Download for movies. But you need to remember. Alot of people would rather have a physical disc then digital downloads. I know I would. A studio or company cant take away something I bought on a physical disc. But they can take it away if I had it downloaded from their website. Before you say," Well they cant take it away if you bought it". Well actually they can, because they will make you sign a Terms agreement and something in there will probably say,"We have to right to delete any movies from our database, even if you own it".

Look at Microsoft (maybe even Sony). On the 360 if you bought a game, you can always download it again(say you delete it or your 360 dies). But it says, you can do that as long as its on the marketplace. Well, some of the games have been taken off the marketplace. So those people that spent money on those games, can no longer re-download it if something happens to their 360.

I want to add. I dont care if Digital Downloads looked the exact same as a bluray. I dont care if a digital download movie was released 2 months or 2 years before the bluray came out. All of that doesnt matter me, I prefer a physical disk.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc8...rown-aw_people

You can re-download every purchase you have made on the PS3 since it came out. And if my PS3 dies, I log in and re download it. I have 3 PS3s now, and can DL my purchases, all of them, on every one of them. If my house burns down, I still have access to my DL content I bought.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Fake 1080p? I can't imagine anyone would be dumb enough to bash something they've never laid eyes on.

who said I have never laid eyes on it? Netflix gives people a free month trial.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

who said I have never laid eyes on it? Netflix gives people a free month trial.

At present, its only 1080p on the PS3 and that is since October. You get 1 free trial a lifetime. So unless it was after Oct. and on a PS3, no, you haven't seen what I am talking about.

[AutomaticDriver]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc8...rown-aw_people

I want to add one thing. I didnt mean to sound like a jerk or anything like that. If I came off that way, I am sorry.

EDIT: I watched some of that video. But when they started talking about pollution,etc. I turned it off.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=business

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...?docId=6693806

I know you can find a lot of meaningless drivel on the internet. what is your point? none of it has actual numbers of last year and this year.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by 3DForLife

I want to add one thing. I didnt mean to sound like a jerk or anything like that. If I came off that way, I am sorry.

Me either.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

At present, its only 1080p on the PS3 and that is since October. You get 1 free trial a lifetime. So unless it was after Oct. and on a PS3, no, you haven't seen what I am talking about.

It was Jan on a PS3. Did not know the quality was not available on other devices. Netflix only started here in Canada at the end of Sept. but with the horror marathon in Oct and the Christmas in Dec did not have time until Jan to give it a try.

Plus we tend to have slightly higher quality then you in the US. but less selection

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I know you can find a lot of meaningless drivel on the internet. what is your point? none of it has actual numbers of last year and this year.

What numbers do you want exactly?

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

It was Jan on a PS3. Did not know the quality was not available on other devices. Netflix only started here in Canada at the end of Sept. but with the horror marathon in Oct and the Christmas in Dec did not have time until Jan to give it a try.

Plus we tend to have slightly higher quality then you in the US. but less selection

The 1080p is currently only available then US. It was in that video I just put up. Most likely you saw, if it was maked HD, was most likely 720p. And the offerings in Canada are different then in the U.S., crappier from what I have heard. But...all this is progressing. I think that since you have legal mail order pot up there, it may make up for it, lol.

[Steedeel]

Slick1ru2, thanks for the entertainment. I dont think i have ever read so much crap before! Think i am going to stop posting on this forum for a while and just keep a eye on the main site and how many copies the star wars trilogy and lion king sell while the download brigade watch the latest pixel vision blockbuster. They truly are deluded!

true blu 2

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I think all of you have way over estimated how many people even have BD players. The PS3, which accounts for over half the BD players sold, just went over 50 million units. Many with the PS3, don't even own BD or even use it with an HDTV. TV sales are not a good indicator of the number that even use their TV with any type of HD equipment either since you couldn't buy an SD TV anyway.

So overall, 100 million worldwide tops even have BD players and some of those aren't even used for BD. The entire world needing HSI is ridiculous argument since only a small percentage use high def as it is now. Think of how many of your friends and family have BD and HD. One of my sisters does, the other doesn't. The one that does had an HDTV, she didn't even have a BD player until I gave her one for Christmas. I think I have 1 neighbor that does that I know about and I live in a middle class suburb of Atlanta.

At the end of 2009, 24 million BD players worldwide, including the PS3. http://hollywoodinhidef.com/2010/10/...to-hit-24-mil/

Many more have access to HSI then BD players.

As many people have NetFlix right now as had BD players in 2009 and they have double digit growth rate.

Like I said yesterday about everyone I know being able to hear the difference between lossy and lossless, well so to do all my friends have blu-ray players. Every single 1 of my male mates has a blu-ray player, but on the other hand none of my fiancees friends have them (obviously most of her friends are women), women don't generally understand or care too much about HT, they care about getting their hair done etc, as things like that are more important to them. Men and women have different interests and like different things, so I don't think using women in statics about blu-ray players is a great comparison to make. It's just like comparing how many men get their nails done compared to women, u wouldn't bother with such comparisons because obviously far more women would get their nails done over men, and the same thing goes for blu-ray players, as blu-rays target market is obviously going to be mostly men.