Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Slick1ru2, thanks for the entertainment. I dont think i have ever read so much crap before! Think i am going to stop posting on this forum for a while and just keep a eye on the main site and how many copies the star wars trilogy and lion king sell while the download brigade watch the latest pixel vision blockbuster. They truly are deluded!

true blu 2

Well, if you are old enough, its probably nothing new. I can imagine you said the same thing of BD in the 90s, DVDs in the 80s and couldn't believe of the rumors of VHS in the 60s. BTW, George Lucas is a fan of digital DL, has been for years, thinks its the future. Ironic you bring his name up.

[Steedeel]

did not bring his name up. You did! So he is a fan of dd? Just think why that may be? Only my opinion of course. Are you really that gullible?
As for your point about dvd and vhs i adored both formats and adore bluray too. The key issue is that they are all progressive technology which improved my film viewing. So they were all genuine advancements not a step back in quality. But quality is not a word you seem to relate to.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Fake 1080p? I can't imagine anyone would be dumb enough to bash something they've never laid eyes on.

That's an apt description. I have a PS3 and on my 60" screen there is a definite difference between Netflix and Blu-ray. It's downright jarring on a 100"+ projected image.

[Cevolution]

That's the problem, far too many computer and download geeks think all 1080p images are created equal.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

did not bring his name up. You did! So he is a fan of dd? Just think why that may be? Only my opinion of course. Are you really that gullible?
As for your point about dvd and vhs i adored both formats and adore bluray too. The key issue is that they are all progressive technology which improved my film viewing. So they were all genuine advancements not a step back in quality. But quality is not a word you seem to relate to.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

The 1080p is currently only available then US. It was in that video I just put up. Most likely you saw, if it was maked HD, was most likely 720p. And the offerings in Canada are different then in the U.S., crappier from what I have heard. But...all this is progressing. I think that since you have legal mail order pot up there, it may make up for it, lol.

I believe you should do some research before arguing the subject any further.

Here are some facts for you to consider, because things are most definitely not progressing:

1. Netflix has lowered quality streams in Canada - meaning that the default subscription option is far more problematic than what is offered in the U.S.

2. The current trends are towards tighter ISP caps, not vice versa.

3. 78% of home video budgets spent on Blu-ray & DVD versus 22% on streaming/subscription services (The NPD Group).

4. The current trends are towards further instability and content restrictions as far as cloud and streaming options are concerned - which translates into limited content options for the consumer and multiple weak delivery platforms. Advantage Blu-ray/SDVD -- united distribs, united market.

5. There is no service that comes even remotely close to matching Blu-ray's quality. Even Hulu, which is a far superior platform in terms of quality compared to Netflix, can not match Blu-ray's quality standards; anything streamed from Hulu on a 50' suffers from massive amounts of artifacts and blockiness.

Fact of the matter is this: physical ownership and best quality go hand in hand.

Lastly, there is simply no way, let me repeat one more time, no way, I would ever pay to "own" a download. Period. The films I want to own will be on a disc, which will be in my library. If I can't buy the films I wish to own on a SDVD/Blu-ray, I won't be buying at all (I have over 1000 Blu-rays now and close to 3000 SDVDs). All of this translates into the following: As long as there are people like me (and I would argue that those who share my view(s) are in the hundreds of millions), there will always be physical media for sale. And it just so happens that the best physical option is Blu-ray.

For the time being, Blu-ray also continues to grow

Pro-B

[42041]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You couldn't tell a NetFlix HD feed from a BD]

Unless it's a bad blu-ray (and there's many of those) or very compressible content, only the least discerning viewers would have trouble. Until the typical internet connection and Netflix's servers can reliably handle a bare minimum of ~15MBPS, the bandwidth just won't be there for transparency.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

That's the problem, far too many computer and download geeks think all 1080p images are created equal.

And too many who think they are videophiles buy Monster cables vs a cable of the exact same specs because they think they can see the difference.

As for 100" displays, what % of HDTV owners have 100" displays?

1080p looks like worse the larger the display, its physics. But the majority of people aren't in the market for 100" projectors.


Look at the title of the thread. It implies some time in the future. And in the future digital DL will cut into BD sales just like digital music has with CDs and digital books have to dead tree books. Will it overtake BD next week or next year, no, but if you can't see that it eventually will, then you don't know history and aren't old enough to remember rotary phones, black and white TVs, LPs/45s/78s, cassettes, the time before PCs, the time before the internet, no more then 5 or so channels broadcasting OTA and VHS recorders. The fact that there is a company now offering 1080p/5.1 streaming today most likely means that in the future that technology will only get better. Those that jumped on me about the quality today must have not realized this thread isn't about today.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by 42041

Unless it's a bad blu-ray (and there's many of those) or very compressible content, only the least discerning viewers would have trouble. Until the typical internet connection and Netflix's servers can reliably handle a bare minimum of ~15MBPS, the bandwidth just won't be there for transparency.

The day is coming.


Go back to the video I posted, they said it looked at least as good as broadcast 1080i. Must be on the right track then.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

I believe you should do some research before arguing the subject any further.

Here are some facts for you to consider, because things are most definitely not progressing:

1. Netflix has lowered quality streams in Canada - meaning that the default subscription option is far more problematic than what is offered in the U.S.

2. The current trends are towards tighter ISP caps, not vice versa.

3. 78% of home video budgets spent on Blu-ray & DVD versus 22% on streaming/subscription services (The NPD Group).

4. The current trends are towards further instability and content restrictions as far as cloud and streaming options are concerned - which translates into limited content options for the consumer and multiple weak delivery platforms. Advantage Blu-ray/SDVD -- united distribs, united market.

5. There is no service that comes even remotely close to matching Blu-ray's quality. Even Hulu, which is a far superior platform in terms of quality compared to Netflix, can not match Blu-ray's quality standards; anything streamed from Hulu on a 50' suffers from massive amounts of artifacts and blockiness.

Fact of the matter is this: physical ownership and best quality go hand in hand.

Lastly, there is simply no way, let me repeat one more time, no way, I would ever pay to "own" a download. Period. The films I want to own will be on a disc, which will be in my library. If I can't buy the films I wish to own on a SDVD/Blu-ray, I won't be buying at all (I have over 1000 Blu-rays now and close to 3000 SDVDs). All of this translates into the following: As long as there are people like me (and I would argue that those who share my view(s) are in the hundreds of millions), there will always be physical media for sale. And it just so happens that the best physical option is Blu-ray.

For the time being, Blu-ray also continues to grow

Pro-B

I remember when I had over 1000 DVDs and felt the same way about DVD technology. But again, you are talking today, not down the road. And digital continues to grow too.

So if I asked you that for the price of 1 BD, per month, you could have access to every movie ever made, all in true 1080p/7.1, streaming to any AV device you own at its maximum display rate, you'd say no and would rather buy and store the physical media? Oh, and some of the titles of course would't be available as physical media or if they were, not in HD yet. I ask that because in the day of VHS with RCA cables, what we have today in BD would have sounded just as fantastic.

[punkguy03]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I remember when I had over 1000 DVDs and felt the same way about DVD technology. But again, you are talking today, not down the road. And digital continues to grow too.

So if I asked you that for the price of 1 BD, per month, you could have access to every movie ever made, all in true 1080p/7.1, streaming to any AV device you own at its maximum display rate, you'd say no and would rather buy and store the physical media? Oh, and some of the titles of course would't be available as physical media or if they were, not in HD yet.

I too love physical disks. You can't use this analogy, because it doesn't exist! If you could get that for that price, sure maybe I would, but you can't! Bluray has grown and grown. I have had it since hd dvd was around and it will continue to grow. Otherwise all these studios wouldn't be supporting it so much!

If wishes and luck were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas. lol

[richieb1971]

Half the world still doesn't know how to use a computer let alone the internet.

Thats a pretty big market share to give up by going DLC only.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by richieb1971

Half the world still doesn't know how to use a computer let alone the internet.

Thats a pretty big market share to give up by going DLC only.

Or a TV for that matter. They don't have electricity.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

I too love physical disks. You can't use this analogy, because it doesn't exist! If you could get that for that price, sure maybe I would, but you can't! Bluray has grown and grown. I have had it since hd dvd was around and it will continue to grow. Otherwise all these studios wouldn't be supporting it so much!

If wishes and luck were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas. lol

We're talking in the future, look at the title of the thread. Will Blu-ray survive? I don't think the OP will it survive until later tonight. We couldn't have had this conversation in 2005, there were no Blu-ray discs then. This is a thread about the future. Many seem stuck on today.

And the recurrent theme seems to be one of I want to physically own it vs I want access to it to use it. How many people with 1000 discs in their collection watch all of them? It almost reminds me of that show Hoarders. The mentality isn't I can watch any movie I want when I want. Its, I have to own it so no one can take it away, lol.

[Rebelwithoutacause]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I remember when I had over 1000 DVDs and felt the same way about DVD technology. But again, you are talking today, not down the road. And digital continues to grow too.

So if I asked you that for the price of 1 BD, per month, you could have access to every movie ever made, all in true 1080p/7.1, streaming to any AV device you own at its maximum display rate, you'd say no and would rather buy and store the physical media? Oh, and some of the titles of course would't be available as physical media or if they were, not in HD yet. I ask that because in the day of VHS with RCA cables, what we have today in BD would have sounded just as fantastic.

What's the point of asking that one-sided hypothetical question if only to reinforce your argument?

The flaw with your question is that it assumes that no problems would occur with the streaming service to any AV device in the home. And why wouldn't some titles be available in physical media? That's quite the big assumption. What happens if the streaming service goes down for x-amount of time? Will the content provider reimburse me for that?

By the way, just as DL continues to grow as you say so does the BD market. So, people aren't talking about just today with physical media, but also about the future.

[frogmort]

Obviously at some point in time, something else will come along, but for now, I'm lovin' me some blu-ray!

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Rebelwithoutacause

What's the point of asking that one-sided hypothetical question if only to reimforce your argument?

The flaw with your question is that it assumes that no problems would occur with the streaming service to any AV device in the home. What happens if the streaming service goes down for x-amount of time? Will the content provider reimburse me for that?

By the way, just as DL continues to grow as you say so does the BD market. So, people aren't talking about just today with physical media, but also about the future.

Why wouldn't you get reimbursed?

Anyway, unfortunately, I fear people will be talking in the future about more important things then BD. Things like Peak Oil. Google that and read the scary scenarios the experts are predicting in the next few decades. I don't know how much growing an industry that makes a billion units a year, packages and ships them worldwide will be doing when fuel prices will be $10-20+/gallon.

And I agree with frogmont, I am enjoying BD today, I have 3 BD players. But I think that factors that never effected the AV industry may influence the future more then ever before and that goes along with ISPs and bandwidth caps and whatever happens to the economy or fuel crisis, etc..

[punkguy03]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

We're talking in the future, look at the title of the thread. Will Blu-ray survive? I don't think the OP will it survive until later tonight. We couldn't have had this conversation in 2005, there were no Blu-ray discs then. This is a thread about the future. Many seem stuck on today.

And the recurrent theme seems to be one of I want to physically own it vs I want access to it to use it. How many people with 1000 discs in their collection watch all of them? It almost reminds me of that show Hoarders. The mentality isn't I can watch any movie I want when I want. Its, I have to own it so no one can take it away, lol.

Let me reword my post. Bluray will survive, but not for forever obviously. I mean VHS died, but it takes a while. I don't think Downloads will take over, as long as the quality is affected, plus the internet can crash which makes it harder for mass adoption of it. It will have an impact on sales of Bd and dvds too, but that always happens when there are multiple formats.

What is your definition of survive? 2 years, 5 years? I mean I don't think it will go anywhere soon.

[Rebelwithoutacause]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

We're talking in the future, look at the title of the thread. Will Blu-ray survive? I don't think the OP will it survive until later tonight. We couldn't have had this conversation in 2005, there were no Blu-ray discs then. This is a thread about the future. Many seem stuck on today.

And the recurrent theme seems to be one of I want to physically own it vs I want access to it to use it. How many people with 1000 discs in their collection watch all of them? It almost reminds me of that show Hoarders. The mentality isn't I can watch any movie I want when I want. Its, I have to own it so no one can take it away, lol.

You can translate the hoarding mentality to anything that anyone owns, especially if they own too much of it.

THere's no need to be condescending when trying to express your point of view.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I remember when I had over 1000 DVDs and felt the same way about DVD technology. But again, you are talking today, not down the road. And digital continues to grow too.

Actually, I made it very clear, or so I thought, that I am talking about "down the road".

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

So if I asked you that for the price of 1 BD, per month, you could have access to every movie ever made, all in true 1080p/7.1, streaming to any AV device you own at its maximum display rate, you'd say no and would rather buy and store the physical media? Oh, and some of the titles of course would't be available as physical media or if they were, not in HD yet. I ask that because in the day of VHS with RCA cables, what we have today in BD would have sounded just as fantastic.

Long answer: I have a pretty good experience in the field of film distribution. Clearly, you don't. Also, your post above clearly shows to me that a) you are very young 2) you have a very basic, and flawed, grasp of 'film distribution' and how the market operates.

Short answer: No.

Pro-B