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[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

And too many who think they are videophiles buy Monster cables vs a cable of the exact same specs because they think they can see the difference.

As for 100" displays, what % of HDTV owners have 100" displays?

1080p looks like worse the larger the display, its physics. But the majority of people aren't in the market for 100" projectors.


Look at the title of the thread. It implies some time in the future. And in the future digital DL will cut into BD sales just like digital music has with CDs and digital books have to dead tree books. Will it overtake BD next week or next year, no, but if you can't see that it eventually will, then you don't know history and aren't old enough to remember rotary phones, black and white TVs, LPs/45s/78s, cassettes, the time before PCs, the time before the internet, no more then 5 or so channels broadcasting OTA and VHS recorders. The fact that there is a company now offering 1080p/5.1 streaming today most likely means that in the future that technology will only get better. Those that jumped on me about the quality today must have not realized this thread isn't about today.

That's yet another thing u are wrong about. People who have opinions just like yours about such things as compressed downloaded/streamed 1080p files (which are much less GB's compared to the blu-ray counterpart) being equally as good as blu-ray are generally the same people who get sucked into monster cabling, people who are videophiles generally know better. It's the people who are misinformed who make the mistake of buying monster thinking they are going to give them better quality. U fit into the category of being a misinformed individual based on some of the crap u have being saying, and u have a whole bunch of members attacking u over your comments, u may as well quit while u are behind because u just keep making matters worse for yourself. I think u need to remember that u are on a blu-ray forum, and if u don't like blu-ray or think downloading is equally as good, then what are u doing here?

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Actually, I made it very clear, or so I thought, that I am talking about "down the road".




Long answer: I have a pretty good experience in the field of film distribution. Clearly, you don't. Also, your post above clearly shows to me that a) you are very young 2) you have a very basic, and flawed, grasp of 'film distribution' and how the market operates.

Short answer: No.

Pro-B

So if you can be wrong on those accounts, what does that mean about your "clear" vision? You make it sound like you either drive a UPS truck or worked at a Blockbuster. Which is cool.

My age is between 40-80.

I have multiple college degrees, graduated cum laude, did rather well in macro and micro economics along with product distribution modeling.

My hobby is photography so I do have grasp of image quality.

[Show spoiler]

My profession, medical imaging uses higher resolution monitors then 1080p.

I am an electronics early adapter for Amazon and they send me things like flat panel TVs, laptops, software free for review. I am also on Discovery's Advisor Board.

But this is only speculation on what may happen. As events in Japan, The South, etc. show, the future can be drastically changed in a short amount of time for vast numbers of people.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

That's yet another thing u are wrong about. People who have opinions just like yours about such things as compressed downloaded/streaming 1080p being equally as good as blu-ray are generally the same people who get sucked into monster cabling, people who are videophiles generally know better. It's the people who are misinformed who make the mistake of buying monster thinking they are going to give them better quality. U fit into the category of being a misinformed individual based on some of the crap u have being saying, and u have a whole bunch of members attacking u over your comments, u may as well quit while u are behind because u just keep making matters worse for yourself. I think u need to remember that u are on a blu-ray forum, and if u don't like blu-ray or think downloading is equally as good, then what are u doing here?

I guess when I am "attacked" I don't lay down. Do you? Please. I have provided links to the "crap" other people have been saying on other websites. Did you visit them all and attack them? And I own BD. I like BD. I don't think its the future a decade down the road. The people attacking me act like the issue is the second amendment and we are talking about gun control. You know people loved Beta so much they were making Betamax until 2002! Someone may be watching a VHS tape right now or listening to an 8 Track. 7% of Americans are watching movies from one company streaming and its growing by double digits a year. I see that as getting bigger each year. Your country is going to eventually have the best internet system in the world to 93% of the country! Is that to check email? Oh well, its been fun.

EDIT: Looking back at the responses, and taking what you said, I think that the question is a loaded one for this website. Its like having a debate on the if the Patriots suck at Gillette stadium, not much objectivity. This is a question much better suited for a forum with a large percentage of early adapters, like AVS.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I guess when I am "attacked" I don't lay down. Do you? Please. I have provided links to the "crap" other people have been saying on other websites. Did you visit them all and attack them? And I own BD. I like BD. I don't think its the future a decade down the road. The people attacking me act like the issue is the second amendment and we are talking about gun control. You know people loved Beta so much they were making Betamax until 2002! Someone may be watching a VHS tape right now or listening to an 8 Track. 7% of Americans are watching movies from one company streaming and its growing by double digits a year. I see that as getting bigger each year. Your country is going to eventually have the best internet system in the world to 93% of the country! Is that to check email? Oh well, its been fun.

No, but when I'm wrong I will lay down and shut my mouth to save myself further embarrassment, I admit when I am defeated and when I'm wrong which is something that u obviously haven't mastered. Like Anthony P said in 1 of his earlier posts, most of your links are from places that have conducted flawed studies yet u are foolish enough to take them for more than what they are. Your views are speculations about a possible future that may not even happen, back in the 1980's people thought we would have flying cars in in 2010 too, u just sound exactly like 1 of those people, but look how wrong they were.

[octagon]

Forget flying cars, back in the 80s I couldn't wait for the next set of Star Wars movies.

Always changing, the future is...

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

No, but when I'm wrong I will lay down and shut my mouth to save myself further embarrassment, I admit when I am defeated and when I'm wrong which is something that u obviously haven't mastered. Like Anthony P said in 1 of his earlier posts, most of your links are from places that have conducted flawed studies yet u are foolish enough to take them for more than what they are. Your views are speculations about a possible future that may not even happen, back in the 1980's people thought we would have flying cars in in 2010 too, u just sound exactly like 1 of those people, but look how wrong they were.

So you don't think its possible to get digital media, 1080p, 7.1 DTS-HD (lossless) other then physical media? Blu-ray disc or HD DVD is the only way? Today? You think all I have been talking about is BS, will NEVER happen, can't happen? Bunch of crap?

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

And too many who think they are videophiles buy Monster cables vs a cable of the exact same specs because they think they can see the difference.

As for 100" displays, what % of HDTV owners have 100" displays?

1080p looks like worse the larger the display, its physics. But the majority of people aren't in the market for 100" projectors.

What percentage have 60" displays? As I said I can see a difference on mine. Or 50"? Plenty of members here and at AVS have said they can see a difference. I'm not trying to crap on Netflix, but I've sampled a few of their streams vs the Blu-ray version and there is a visable difference.

[slick1ru2]

One last post of "crap" and I will leave the thread to you guys. I think that DL via the web at BD quality will happen, wide spread next 5-10 years. But before that, there is something poised to start, I think this year that is even better. 1080p scanned from the master copy, by the studio with DTS-HD Lossless. Available regardless if you have an internet connection. Its via Satellite and uses media server technology to store and stream though your home to all your TVs and devices. I recall asking Bassoonist about that and I guess, he wants to keep his discs. Anyway, it was announced as far back as 2008 CES, but like I said,this crap economy is hindering the advancement of technology. Talking like $399 to $499 startup, $9.99/month subscription. Not out yet. But basically everything you guys bashed me for in every post as never happening...


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[slick1ru2]

They are taking $25 holding deposits. And it is going to expand to music and video games. They aren't going to the subscription providers like Starz, they are going to the studios themselves, I know Lionsgate is onboard.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

So you don't think its possible to get digital media, 1080p, 7.1 DTS-HD (lossless) other then physical media? Blu-ray disc of HD DVD is the only way? Today? You think all I have been talking about is BS, will NEVER happen, can't happen? Bunch of crap?

That's not what I said, what I'm saying is that most people who download 1080p files are downloading files which might be 10gb's or less for example, when the blu-ray of the same movie might be 32gb's for example, so the downloaded file has been compressed to get it to that size (yes removing audio options etc can help drop gb's but in no way can a 30+ gb blu-ray be cut down to less than 10gb's without further video compression), but their ignorance leads them to believe that they are downloading a file which is exactly identical in quality as the blu-ray when it's not even close.

U can argue all u want that people won't notice the difference until you're black and blue in the face, but that's just your opinion and u being ignorant, u might not be able to see a difference (or even if u can it might not bother u) but others might be able to, people who want the highest quality available do care, they don't want to settle for a smaller file which is inferior. Like other members have already said to u multiple times, not all 1080p files are identical, when a video file is compressed and drops a large amount of gb's from the original source, obviously there will be noticeable differences such as pixelation.

If u don't feel the same way then that's your choice, but coming on to a blu-ray forum ranting about the possibilities of something that is unknown at this point in time is just idiotic, who knows what the future will be bring, and it doesn't take a genius to work out that blu-ray won't be supported forever, just like with beta, vhs etc. Blu-ray is currently the best, quickest and easiest way we have for watching hd content (which I expect u not to agree with).

Further more, most people do not download 20+ gb files, it would take far too long and far too much of that persons monthly download limit (some people don't even subscribed to more than a few gb's a month) all for just 1 movie. What u need to realize is that what u are saying may become possible 1 day, but it's just a wasted of time trying to predict the future, which is what u are doing, just enjoy what we have now.. Btw, have u ever thought about asking the Mods if they can change your name to Nostradamus, I think it would suit u quite well?

[slick1ru2]

Let me clarify before the bashing begins. xStreamHD is not out yet, and I don't know when it will be, they initially said 2008. But if it does come, this is the kind of technology that will seriously threaten BD.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

That's not what I said, what I'm saying is that most people who download 1080p files are downloading files which might be 10gb's or less for example, when the blu-ray of the same movie might be 32gb's for example, so the downloaded file has been compressed to get it to that size (yes removing audio options etc can help drop gb's but in no way can a 30+ gb blu-ray be cut down to less than 10gb's without further video compression), but their ignorance leads them to believe that they are downloading a file which is exactly identical in quality as the blu-ray when it's not even close.

U can argue all u want that people won't notice the difference until you're black and blue in the face, but that's just your opinion and u being ignorant, people who want the highest quality available do care, they don't want to settle for a smaller file which is inferior. Like other members have already said to u multiple times, not all 1080p files are identical, when a video file is compressed and drops a large amount of gb's from the original source, obviously there will be noticeable differences such as pixelation.

If u don't feel the same way then that's your choice, but coming on to a blu-ray forum ranting about the possibilities of something that is unknown at this point in time is just idiotic, who knows what the future will be bring, and it doesn't take a genius to work out that blu-ray won't be supported forever, just like with beta, vhs etc. Blu-ray is currently the best, quickest and easiest way we have for watch hd content (which I expect u not agree with).

Further more, most people do not download 20+ gb files, it would take far too long and far too much of that persons monthly download limit (some people don't even subscribed to more than a few gb's a month) all for just 1 movie. What u need to realize is that what u are saying may become possible 1 day, but it's just a wasted of time trying to predict the future, which is what u are doing, just enjoy what we have now.. Btw, have u ever thought about asking the Mods if they can change your name to Nostradamus, I think it would suit u quite well?

http://www.xstreamhd.com/ via Satellite, not the Internet. Was shown at CES. Same quality, if not better then BD, from the actual Studio master copy. And I have had HDTVs for a decade and know all about MPEG compression codecs. The name of the thread is "Will Blu-ray survive?". Everyone is giving their opinion on the future.

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[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

http://www.xstreamhd.com/ via Satellite, not the Internet. Was shown at CES. Same quality, if not better then BD, from the actual Studio master copy. And I have had HDTVs for a decade and know all about MPEG compression codecs. The name of the thread is "Will Blu-ray survive?". Everyone is giving their opinion on the future.

YouTube - XStreamHD Exhibiting at CES on the Hill

No one cares except u, do u really think most of our parents (or most people for that matter) will want to ever use that crap, I can tell u now that mine won't and neither will I. My dad (who is 56 years old this year) just bought his very 1st computer about a year ago, and it just sits there collecting dust, cause he doesn't care about it or the internet (he runs his own business and he still does all his book work manually on paper). He, just like so many others will ALWAYS prefer a dvd or blu-ray (physical media) until the day he dies. Those reasons are exactly why physical media will never ever go anywhere, we are not just going to wake up 1 day to studios telling us that we can no longer buy physical copies of music, games or movies.

Do u know how much money they would lose by making such a ridiculous decision like that? So many people would just say 'screw it' I'm not going to bother with watching movies, and they will find something else to do, because they are not going to except being controlled and told what to do, especially since most consumers have had access to physical media for most of their lives . All streaming and downloading will ever be is another option for consumer and nothing more, people like having more options not less.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Let me clarify before the bashing begins. xStreamHD is not out yet, and I don't know when it will be, they initially said 2008. But if it does come, this is the kind of technology that will seriously threaten BD.

How so? $4-500 for the box, $10 a month for the service, and you still have to rent the films?

5 free movies($25 vaue) for signing up. So $5 rentals?

https://www.xstreamhd.com/secure_ind...est=getstarted

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

No one cares except u, do u really think most of our parents will want to ever use that crap, I can tell u now the mine won't and neither will I. My dad (who is 56 years old this year) just bought his very 1st computer about a year ago, and it just sits there collecting dust, cause he doesn't care about it or the internet (he runs his own business and he still does all his book work manually on paper). He, just like so many others will ALWAYS prefer a dvd or blu-ray (physical media) until the day he dies. For reasons exactly like, is why physical media will never ever go anywhere, we are not just going to wake up 1 day to studios telling us that we can no longer buy physical copies of music, games or movies.

Do u know how much money they would lose by making such a ridiculous decision like that? So many people would just say 'screw it' I'm not going to bother with watching movies, and they will find something else to do, because they are not going to except being controlled and told what to do, especially since most consumers have had access to physical media for most of their lives . All streaming and downloading will ever be is another option for consumer and nothing more, people like having more options not less.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

That's exactly what everyone is thinking about u.

Yes it is a thread setup to discuss the future, but u have thrown out some pretty outragous claims not just about the future but about the present. U sound like u come from never never land, I think u need to jump in your delorean and travel to back to 1985, so u can hear some of the predictions that were said back then about what some people thought living in 2011 would be like, I'm sure u would have a good laugh.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Rob71

How so? $4-500 for the box, $10 a month for the service, and you still have to rent the films?

5 free movies($25 vaue) for signing up. So $5 rentals?

https://www.xstreamhd.com/secure_ind...est=getstarted

Don't know how it will eventually work out. I have had NetFlix on and off from day 1. Their service constantly changes in what they offer, how much and for what price. Anyway, they, xStreamHD, needs to figure out who they are partnering with, how they will do it, their target market. Point is, BD quality to anywhere in a digital format appears to be viable technology today. What that translates into, we'll have to wait and see. They seem to be on hold at the moment, maybe someone is looking into buying them or they are working on 3D? Wait and see.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

That's exactly what everyone is thinking about u.

Yes it is a thread setup to discuss the future, but u have thrown out some pretty outragous claims not just about the future but about the present. U sound like u come from never never land, I think u need to jump in your delorean and travel to back to 1985, so u can hear some of the predictions that were said back then about what some people thought living in 2011 would be like, I'm sure u would have a good laugh.

And you are starting to sound like you are coming from Always Drunk Land. If you'd like, I can point you to a forum with all kinda "crappy" ideas like glasses free 3D.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

And you are starting to sound like you are coming from Always Drunk Land.

Get your own material, I said that to u a few posts back (my exact words were 'if u believe any different then u are drunk with your own stupidity'), but I deleted that comment, most likely after u read it. Yeah and how far is glasses free 3dtv away from being perfected so it offers exactly the same quality as glasses 3d tech, the answer is quite a few, it might actually never be the same as current glasses tech, but just another option for consumers who want 3d without the glasses where they may have to sacrifice some of the quality for that convenience.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Get your own material, I said that about u a few posts back (my exact words were 'if u believe any different then u are drunk with your own stupidity'), but I deleted that comment, most likely after u read it.

Since your posts are usually insults aimed at me (and now older people), I mostly don't read your threads. BTW, I was alive in 1985, 3 years before I bought my first computer, probably around your current age, which puts me closer to your parents age. Every product, even underwear, doesn't target every demographic. They probably weren't targeting the bush people of Africa when they thought up BD.