Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Since your posts are usually insults aimed at me (and now older people), I mostly don't read your threads. BTW, I was alive in 1985, 3 years before I bought my first computer, probably around your current age, which puts me closer to your parents age. Every product, even underwear, doesn't target every demographic. They probably weren't targeting the bush people of Africa when they thought up BD.

I honestly don't think u read anyone's comments. If u don't read my posts then how do u know I insulted anyone? When did I insult anyone who is old? I was talking about my dad no one else, and I didn't insult him either. I only ever have insulted u after u did it to me 1st. It's like I said yesterday, u can dish it out but u can't take it when it's done back to u. BTW I was born in 1981.

[slick1ru2]

Where did I specifically insult you? You have told me I am wrong, incorrect, dishing out crap, etc. in everyone of your posts practically. Did I hurt your feelings or something? Do you need a hug? I'm sorry but I think that digital content will someday mostly replace physical...that day is coming. I am so sorry that offends you.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Where did I specifically insult you? You have told me I am wrong, incorrect, dishing out crap, etc. in everyone of your posts practically. Did I hurt your feelings or something? Do you need a hug? I'm sorry but I think that digital content will someday mostly replace physical...that day is coming. I am so sorry that offends you.

I like how u now try to act all innocent in the matter.

That's all fine and good to have that opinion, I don't agree, but there was no need for u to hijack an entire thread for 3 days (arguing with every member that addressed a post of yours) just to say that, u could have just said it once and left it at that. All u have been doing is arguing about things that u can't possibly know, which are currently not facts but rather opinions, predictions and speculations.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I like how u now try to act all innocent in the matter.

That's all fine and good to have that opinion, I don't agree, but there was no need for u to hijack an entire thread for 3 days (arguing with every member that addressed a post of yours) just to say that, u could have just said it once and left it at that. All u have been doing is arguing about things that u can't possibly know, which are currently not facts but rather opinions, predictions and speculations.

Uh, isn't that point of the thread? I didn't write any of the links or directed any of the movies I posted that were bashed. I point to technology out today and its bashed as not being good enough although we are talking down the road, I bring up technology on the horizon, sales trends, etc. everyone of them is bashed, no matter the source. Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem, UltraViolet, KeyChest etc.. all stuff that is being looked at now to be the possible future. Why bring it up? It will just get bashed. So my advice to anyone who visits this thread. Support BD forever or be prepared.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Uh, isn't that point of the thread? I didn't write any of the links or directed any of the movies I posted that were bashed. I point to technology out today and its bashed as not being good enough although we are talking down the road, I bring up technology on the horizon, sales trends, etc. everyone of them is bashed, no matter the source. Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem, UltraViolet, KeyChest etc.. all stuff that is being looked at now to be the possible future. Why bring it up? It will just get bashed. So my advice to anyone who visits this thread. Support BD forever or be prepared.

U probably thought Y2K was going to happen too, how long did u hide out in your bunker for?

[Steedeel]

Slick1ru2
nobody cares about your degrees or whatever. There is no better qualification than being an av enthusiast. I am 36 and have been into film since the age of five. You really should leave this forum and stop irritating people with your stroppy insults.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Uh, isn't that point of the thread? I didn't write any of the links or directed any of the movies I posted that were bashed. I point to technology out today and its bashed as not being good enough although we are talking down the road, I bring up technology on the horizon, sales trends, etc. everyone of them is bashed, no matter the source. Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem, UltraViolet, KeyChest etc.. all stuff that is being looked at now to be the possible future. Why bring it up? It will just get bashed. So my advice to anyone who visits this thread. Support BD forever or be prepared.

You brought up a plan that may one day bring 1080p films into homes. You mention that you get all these films for $9.99 a month. After 5 minutes on the website I discover it's not a Netflix type plan, but nothing more than a VOD system where they pick forty or so films for you to pay $5 each to watch. And after a two plus year delay of their launch, the only studio they have onboard is Lionsgate. And now supposedly Ultraviolet is the next big thing. It's coming... later. Later this year, then a complete rollout in 2012. What resolution will your downloads/streams be in? Anything official yet? Will your films actually be yous free and clear, or will you be charged a fee after your 12 month rights expire?

Look, I don't doubt we'll have a Buck Rogers future. We are just a decade or more away from any real industry-wide plan with the infrastructure needed for any real amount of people to a) have access and b) any real confidence in the system. And even when/if all the dominos fall, a large number of people will still demand a physical format.

[punkguy03]

Where's the love guys? Everyones mad at each other! Get in your place people.

[SAIRUS]

I got both. Netflix and blu-ray.

The best are blu-ray with digital copies.

[punkguy03]

A ton of us have netflix, I do as well. Mainly cuz king of the hill seasons are all on netflix and they haven't been released on blu-ray or dvd yet.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

What numbers do you want exactly?

I already said it, but

1) how many customers are in the US unlimited stream only plan
2) how many people DL last year
3) what does it cost them in delivering, maintaining and royalties for streaming.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

The 1080p is currently only available then US. It was in that video I just put up. Most likely you saw, if it was maked HD, was most likely 720p. And the offerings in Canada are different then in the U.S., crappier from what I have heard. But...all this is progressing. I think that since you have legal mail order pot up there, it may make up for it, lol.

come on man, you are just trolling aren't you.

http://techblog.netflix.com/2011/01/...-networks.html

to quote Ken Florance, Director of Content Delivery here at Netflix.

Currently, our top HD streams are about 4800 kilobits per second. Clients may switch through a number of bitrates as they ramp up to the highest stream, or shift down from the highest stream if they cannot sustain play at that rate due to throughput constraints. No client would sustain a 4800 stream from start to finish (there would at least be a few smaller streams averaged in for startup) but the higher the sustained average, the greater the throughput the client can achieve, and the greater the image quality over the duration of the play.

and

As you can see, Charter is in the lead for US streams with an impressive 2667 kilobits per second average over the period. Rogers leads in Canada with a whopping 3020 kbps average.

and if you follow the link and look at the charts you will see that the top 3 Canadian ISPs are higher then the top US and the fourth (Telus) is roughly the same (unfortunately due to the gradation I can't compare Telus directly with the US and it is too hard to say if it would be 1,2 or 3 on the US chart if it was there.)


Like I said before, for someone interested in Netflix Canda has a lot less selection, but if someone is interested in quality then in Canada he will be closer to the best quality Netflix can offer then the US

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

So if I asked you that for the price of 1 BD, per month, you could have access to every movie ever made, all in true 1080p/7.1, streaming to any AV device you own at its maximum display rate, you'd say no and would rather buy and store the physical media?

It depends on
1) what else is available ( if we are so far in the future that I can DL true 1080p and 7.1 lossless then media could have evolved to 16k and 16.2 or something)

2) can I have local copies (after all what use is saying I have access to every mo0vie when in reality I might have access to no movies). How many movies did you have access to through Netflix when they where down for 3 hours a few days ago? And how stupid is “access to every movie ever made”, Song of the South was never released on VHS, DVD or BD in the US because someone at Disney thought that some people might perceive it as racist. Do you think they will make it available on your hypothetical system? Luckily it was released on DVD in Europe and so I have a cop, but I guess that would be a point for hard media vs DL.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

So you don't think its possible to get digital media, 1080p, 7.1 DTS-HD (lossless) other then physical media?

no, one day it will be , but let me ask you this could everyone have had VHS quality when VHS came out? could everyone have had DVD quality when DVD was around? can everyone have BD quality now? by the time you and everyone can have BD quality BD quality would have moved on. Presentation quality has already moved on from when BD launched. Now we have 3D BD

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Let me clarify before the bashing begins. xStreamHD is not out yet, and I don't know when it will be, they initially said 2008. But if it does come, this is the kind of technology that will seriously threaten BD.

LOL you do realize XstreamHD is just none-live PPV and not a real movie system. Yes I know you will point out that they say you can watch it when you want, but that is because they expect you to record it when it is broadcasted and watch it later when ever you want. If you don't record it when it plays and then think "I want to watch X" you are SOL. Yes if it ever launches (like you pointed out they have been asking money for many years now with nothing to show-poor gullible people that pre-ordered) it will possibly be better then any other PPV service, but PPV did not kill DVD so why would you think it will BD?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Rob71

After 5 minutes on the website I discover it's not a Netflix type plan, but nothing more than a VOD system where they pick forty or so films for you to pay $5 each to watch. And after a two plus year delay of their launch, the only studio they have onboard is Lionsgate.

Agree, the guy is talking about bashing, but he links to articles that he himself should realise are complete BS (like his post where he started off talking about the PS3 selling 50M and then later on in the same post linked to a blog that said 24M BD devices world wide as proof of how badly BD is selling) no critical thinking and no research to see if it is right.

As for this being VOD, it is actually closer to PPV. The system is none-real time (at least from my understanding), but in essence you pre-order a movie (like PPV) then at some point it is broadcasted from the Sat (like PPV), as are other movies (like PPV), your box records the film ( just like the rest of people who ordered it), if it is none-live, then any time after it is ended you can watch the film since it is on your PVR. But if you record over it (and with 1TB default storage, chances are that you will need to erase them) or miss it when it is broadcast, then you are out of luck at watching the film until it is broadcasted again (like PPV)

[Dwayne]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I stick by my opinion of Bluray meaning quality and downloads meaning crap.
If i am watching a scene with explosions or lots of action i don't wan't to be watching pixel break up and a ugly mess.
bluray enables me to see detail and a nice clean picture no matter what i am watching. downloads do not.
Bluray enables me to pick up detail in dark scenes (at least with a plasma), downloads do not.
Bluray allows me to watch scenes underwater or involving water without dancing pixels and waves that seem to have froze, downloads do not.
Bluray allows me to watch fog or cloudy scenes with very little problem, downloads do not.
Bluray enables me to watch the film the way the director wants, download does not (impossible with so high compression)
Bluray allows superb surround sound, downloads do not

Therefore my original opinion i think is valid.
By the way threefiftyrocket, i noticed you managed to apologise to another member in your above post. It's a shame you couldn't apologise to me as well, after all, you insulted me in your post by calling me a troll and i offered a truce but you can't seem to admit you are wrong. If you are offended by insults then you should not really dish them out!

I am with you on this one. Streaming is ok but overall it SUCKS because of everything you mentioned. I am spoiled with Blu-ray and as far as I am concerned everything else is just crap. Even DVDs played on my sound system just does not have what it takes since my ears and eyes have got used to Blu-ray. Streaming is ok for people that are not into audio/video quality and thats ok for them, BUT FOR ME PHYSICAL MEDIA/BLU-RAY IS THE STANDARD.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

You are missing the point. In order for CD to be dead it means that no one is buying CDs. Now if a time comes when people still buy music but not on CD (maybe on BD-A maybe DL). If a time comes when no one is buying music then DL and any other form will be just as dead as CD. And if CDs are sold and have just above half the market for as long as music is sold (in no matter how small quantities) then it will still be king and if it ever gets just below then it is still half the market. To talk about CD being dead as a format would mean that CD is gone but music is still sold to consumers but in a different format then CD.

Is the music industry in ruins and crippled? Yes. But that has to do with mismanaging the industry and not the format called CD.

You're arguing semantics. A format is dead when the industry loses interest in it because of declining sales, not when there isn't a single item produced. I think you can still send a telegram, but that doesn't mean that the telegram isn't dead. I think some manufacturer is still making audio cassettes, but I think we would all agree that it's a dead format. In 2009, the CD had an overall unit share of only 15.53%. Digital singles and albums had a unit share of 64.41%. Between 2008 and 2009 alone, the CD lost 20.5% in units and 21.9% in dollars. Although official 2010 numbers still haven't been released, the declines are expected to be even larger. That's not a viable business and the proof of that is that both EMI and Warner Music are for sale. Every major CD chain is gone: Tower Records, HMV, Virgin, etc.

I was in J&R today, by far the largest retail record store left in New York City and about a quarter of their main CD selling floor is being taken away from selling CDs and will be used for selling software instead. (I don't know if it's game software or application software, but my bet is that it will be game software.)

This has nothing to do with whether CDs are a "good" format. I own 600 CDs and I almost never download a song. But I'm the anachronism - that's not where the market is. The music market is now a downloads market and it's becoming more so every day and in becoming a downloads market, it's also become a singles market, which is the main factor in what's killing the industry. CDs will never go away completely, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where they'd be in even greater decline than they already are.

[Steedeel]

I am with the previous poster. Cds are only dead when the last ever disc is obsolete. I have lots of blurays and intend to buy hundreds more, as long as i can have my vast collection and be able to enjoy them at my convenience i wont consider it dead.
As long as there is a market for a product no matter how small it aint dead. By the way i expect bluray to last a long, long time.

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by septic death

will tell alot of whos going to win!! I wonder if Blu Ray wil be dropping there prices?

Wow! First time I've ever checked this thread... seen it for years, but never looked inside. Starting at page one here is like frikken time travel - Awesome!!! *Sigh*, the good ol' days...

Doc