Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Slick1ru2, that's old news! You really are becoming tiresome now. You do realise that we won't have a HD source of any kind in the future that you imagine don't you? Looking at your equipment i can't see why you would be happy with that. You really baffle me, you have a decent amount of bluray's so you must love film but you are hoping that we will be all watching awful quality streams on our nice expensive plasmas/lcds. That is not a future that appeals to me and if it is truly what you want, you might as well invest in a old tube 14 inch portable tv as that is the only way future streaming is going to look acceptable. The truth of the matter is you are either bitter at losing the hd format war or you have a warped idea of what is acceptable to consumers. Imagine people getting excited about Avatar 2 on a stream! It isn't going to happen. Now stop scanning Internet for stuff to post here and go over and join other bluray bashers on other forums.

By the way if you want to talk future the talk is of a 4k res format with built in 48/60 frames per second technology to fit in with the way cinema is going in the next ten years. So bluray and then this new tech eventually. I would like to see streaming/cloud/crap whatever you call it keeping up with that.

Well block me then and stop with your childish comments about what I should do.


Streaming quality gets better daily. Its better then the compressed 1080i HD offerings from cable and satellite TV. You do watch Satellite or cable TV don't you? If so, why are you watching that 1080i crap? Are you waiting on the local news and pro sports to come in 4k 48/60fps?

And, lol, that isn't the future, sorry to say, not in 10 years. It will be very niche IF it even goes into any kind of mass production decades from now, maybe. For people with 50 ft screens. But there isn't any reason for it because there isn't much visible difference in 1080p in the average TV size/viewing distance. What you are saying is ridiculous. Because there is advanced technology doesn't mean its the future. The masses can't see the difference, the FCC isn't going to force a format change for decades. Its just absurd to think that in a decade everyone is going to have 4k 48/60 fps.

[Steedeel]

Streaming is not getting better that is a myth. Actually i think sattelite hd is far better than any hd streams i have ever seen. Mind you we have sky hd in uk. It is only films that i care about in true hd. Although sports look great also.
Finally, you have no idea if the 4k thing will happen or not. Although if it was up to you no doubt we would all be watching videos on our 22 inch screens.
You know as well as me the only high quality source of hd is bluray. Stop pretending that streaming is anywhere near it because that is laughable.

[punkguy03]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Streaming is not getting better that is a myth. Actually i think sattelite hd is far better than any hd streams i have ever seen. Mind you we have sky hd in uk. It is only films that i care about in true hd. Although sports look great also.
Finally, you have no idea if the 4k thing will happen or not. Although if it was up to you no doubt we would all be watching videos on our 22 inch screens.
You know as well as me the only high quality source of hd is bluray. Stop pretending that streaming is anywhere near it because that is laughable.

I have a few downloads, of 1080p movies and such and I have blu-rays to compare them too. Blu-rays are better hands down. Are downloads getting better in quality? Probably, but blu-ray is better overall, plus you have a physical disc.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Streaming is not getting better that is a myth. Actually i think sattelite hd is far better than any hd streams i have ever seen. Mind you we have sky hd in uk. It is only films that i care about in true hd. Although sports look great also.
Finally, you have no idea if the 4k thing will happen or not. Although if it was up to you no doubt we would all be watching videos on our 22 inch screens.
You know as well as me the only high quality source of hd is bluray. Stop pretending that streaming is anywhere near it because that is laughable.

Who has 22" inch screens? I am an electronics early adapter. How long have you had HDTV? 7-8 years like me? Were you a Voom subscriber? Did you subscribe to one of the satellite companies when they had only 3 HD channels? I was probably getting rid of Voom before you even had an HDTV. I committed to HDTV before there was any physical media. We were using upresolution DVD players with DVI and RCA cords on our TVs and hoping for more satellite HD content and physical media. When the format wars was going on, I bought a PS3 and a HD DVD player. I am no n00b to HD. I think ahead, some don't.



You have no idea about streaming quality, everything in your post is totally subjective. I already posted a video of a HD Nation show on the rollout of 1080p on NetFlix and they said it looked "at least as good as HD cable TV." They have been saying for years that 4k equipment will start showing up in a couple of years. If it does, its going to be EXTREMELY expensive. And since you need 10 ft screens plus to even appreciate the difference, most aren't going to spring for it.


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YouTube - BACK TO THE FUTURE on BLU-RAY! Netflix 1080p, MKV Files, Fix Audio Lag, Free PS3 Streaming Apps

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

I have a few downloads, of 1080p movies and such and I have blu-rays to compare them too. Blu-rays are better hands down. Are downloads getting better in quality? Probably, but blu-ray is better overall, plus you have a physical disc.

Sure they are...today. There wasn't even 1080p NetFlix last September. Its getting better as we go along. The thread is called Will Blu-ray survuve? Not, is streaming (via internet or satellite) currently better. And the technology to DL basically a ripped Blu-ray via satellite to media servers is almost here, full 1080p, lossless 7.1. You haven't seen that, it isn't being offered yet. But that should be the future. You have your full HD movies on mult-TB servers that can stream movies to every TV in your house. You physically have the movie on an expandable RAID HD media server. And if 4k is the future, it can handle that too because it can currently output 200mb/sec. You can even us a PS3 to stream from it. By the way, that's Scott Greczkowski of SatelliteGuys.US. If you know anything about satellite, that is the website with all the info.

YouTube - XStreamHD at CES

[punkguy03]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Sure they are...today. There wasn't even 1080p NetFlix last September. Its getting better as we go along. The thread is called Will Blu-ray survuve? Not, is streaming (via internet or satellite) currently better. And the technology to DL basically a ripped Blu-ray via satellite to media servers is almost here, full 1080p, lossless 7.1. You haven't seen that, it isn't being offered yet. But that should be the future. You have your full HD movies on mult-TB servers that can stream movies to every TV in your house. You physically have the movie on an expandable RAID HD media server. And if 4k is the future, it can handle that too because it can currently output 200mb/sec. You can even us a PS3 to stream from it. By the way, that's Scott Greczkowski of SatelliteGuys.US. If you know anything about satellite, that is the website with all the info.

YouTube - XStreamHD at CES

Very interesting read! So, it kind of goes back to will people prefer physical discs or downloads? I obviously like my discs, but downloads could be good in certain circumstances. An expandable raid hd server isn't really the same thing as a disc, so that is interesting. I could see some movies being exclusive downloads kind of like itunes exclusives.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

Very interesting read! So, it kind of goes back to will people prefer physical discs or downloads? I obviously like my discs, but downloads could be good in certain circumstances. I could see some movies being exclusive downloads kind of like itunes exclusives.

Some day. For some. I think so. I never got the media server thing. But if you can legally load it with basically ripped Blu-ray some day, stream all over the house in full HD I would be a customer. I have multiple TB of external HDs now filled with HD movies from Dish, many not out on Blu ray yet (Jaws, the Indiana Jones Movies, all the Star Wars movies, Lawrence of Arabia Midway, etc..). Sure, they aren't 1080p. But they look a lot better then an unresolution DVD. You can watch them on any of my receivers by moving the HD which is the size of a book. But since the PS3 can connect and stream movies too from a media player, I have 3 of those and so I don't even need receivers.

[punkguy03]

I could see me doing both, kind of like netflix and blu-ray. I know around here that almost seems taboo sometimes, but I actually like them both.

Kind of odd how you can only support blu-ray or downloads not both.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

I could see me doing both, kind of like netflix and blu-ray. I know around here that almost seems taboo sometimes, but I actually like them both.

Kind of odd how you can only support blu-ray or downloads not both.

Isn't it? I guess when they jump all over me for dare saying that the future is going to see a vast increase in HD via dl they miss that I have pretty sizable and growing BD collection.

[punkguy03]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Isn't it? I guess when they jump all over me for dare saying that the future is going to see a vast increase in HD via dl they miss that I have pretty sizable and growing BD collection.

You and me both! I have tons of dvds as well. I am not going to get rid of my dvds either tho. There is nothing wrong with having multiple formats. My parents still have tons of vhs tapes and records and stuff.
Sometimes you just offend the wrong person, people don't like being wrong on this site really.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

You and me both! I have tons of dvds as well. I am not going to get rid of my dvds either tho. There is nothing wrong with having multiple formats. My parents still have tons of vhs tapes and records and stuff.
Sometimes you just offend the wrong person, people don't like being wrong on this site really.

Yep. Got VHS around here too. I at one point even had a really nice Sharp Super VHS recorder that recorded at 400 lpi (vs 250) lol. I can't even say how many DVDs I have, thousands I guess. *And Sony was making blank Betamax tapes past 2000. Some don't let go easy, lol.

[punkguy03]

I was actually in Japan when vhs players very first came out. My parents were in the military and mom bought an original vhs player, it was metal and I swear it lasted 20 years. It weight a lot and she said it cost over a thousand dollars! On top of that the tapes were like 100 bucks so you couldn't even afford them.
Formats die it happens, but you can still keep them for as long as they last. My parents will never get rid of all those disney vhs tapes.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

I was actually in Japan when vhs players very first came out. My parents were in the military and mom bought an original vhs player, it was metal and I swear it lasted 20 years. It weight a lot and she said it cost over a thousand dollars! On top of that the tapes were like 100 bucks so you couldn't even afford them.
Formats die it happens, but you can still keep them for as long as they last. My parents will never get rid of all those disney vhs tapes.

The old technology lasts longer. I had to call a TV repairman for my Mitsu because the Samsung panel developed a line on it (widespread issue at the time) at just after a year old. He told me he is seeing these new technology TVs lasting 5-7 years and needing repairs. At that point he said the part usually costs as much as the TV or not available. The part alone, the panel, was like $1500 on the invoice. The CRT models, he was saying, last 20-30 years.

The first VCR I bought had a wired remote with like 4 buttons, lol. And I remember watching the Bi Centennial as a kid, in my room on a B&W TV. In comparison my 8 year old has a laptop. My, we have come a long way.

That's cool about your parents though. My uncle when I was a kid was the same way. He had a front projection Mitsubishi, I think, TV in the 70s! And that lasted for probably 15 years. And I think they had the first consumer Amana oven that I think lasted over 30 years.

[punkguy03]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

The old technology lasts longer. I had to call a TV repairman for my Mitsu because the Samsung panel developed a line on it (widespread issue at the time) at just after a year old. He told me he is seeing these new technology TVs lasting 5-7 years and needing repairs. At that point he said the part usually costs as much as the TV or not available. The part alone, the panel, was like $1500 on the invoice. The CRT models, he was saying, last 20-30 years.

The first VCR I bought had a wired remote with like 4 buttons, lol. And I remember watching the Bi Centennial as a kid, in my room on a B&W TV. In comparison my 8 year old has a laptop. My, we have come a long way.

That's cool about your parents though. My uncle when I was a kid was the same way. He had a front projection Mitsubishi, I think, TV in the 70s! And that lasted for probably 15 years. And I think they had the first consumer Amana oven that I think lasted over 30 years.

They need more quality like that now. Maybe more people would be willing to invest money on a new tv or format if they knew it would last longer.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

They need more quality like that now. Maybe more people would be willing to invest money on a new tv or format if they knew it would last longer.

But as technology gets more complex, more chances it has to have a weaker link. In the time frame it would take to come up with a good solution to whatever the problem is, the technology has changed yet again. Be nice if they slowed down a little and made something that is going to last 15 years (my first LCD TV lasted 5 years). But they want to continue to put out new things to get people to buy new TVs. That's why 3D came out recently, flat screen prices had fallen so much, they needed to introduce a new, expensive technology, another cash cow.

[Steedeel]

Streaming is a sorry excuse for technology which normal people will have a problem adapting to. Regular consumers are just starting to understand hd and pvrs. Again you are all in your bubbles. Oh and i too was a early adopter to hd. Difference is i backed the winner, unlike a few people on this forum

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Streaming is a sorry excuse for technology which normal people will have a problem adapting to. Regular consumers are just starting to understand hd and pvrs. Again you are all in your bubbles. Oh and i too was a early adopter to hd. Difference is i backed the winner, unlike a few people on this forum

More people have NetFlix then Comcast, the largest cable company in the U.S. And Comcast has streaming too, On Demand. Dish, Samsung, Amazon, Hulu, YouTube are just some of the companies that are streaming movies or will be streaming soon. 65% of U.S. households have broadband and the President outlined a plan 3 months ago to make that 98% in 5 years. And over 43% of households with TVs in the U.S. have DVRs, up from 27% IN 2008. Anyone who has seen TV with commercials the last 5 years knows what HD TV is. My 8 year old does. Your statement about streaming seems to make you one of the "regular customers" who don't know about technology, facts, or what's coming plain as day.

[LetoAtreides82]

Blu-ray won't be the last physical format, manufacturers are already working on 4k and 8k resolution tv's. By 2020 we should have 4k tv's in the marketplace, and probably holographic discs as the format.

holographic versatile disc can hold 6tb of data:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Blu-ray won't be the last physical format, manufacturers are already working on 4k and 8k resolution tv's. By 2020 we should have 4k tv's in the marketplace, and probably holographic discs as the format.

holographic versatile disc can hold 6tb of data:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

Yes, but not mainstream. There is no reason for super HD TVs in normal sizes, at normal viewing distances. The return doesn't justify the expense nor the FCC changing the rules on broadcast TV which all broadcasters follow. So as a niche, for projectors, for large screens 10 or more feet, I can see that. But at normal viewing distances, on normal sized screens in the 46-60" range, there is no reason for super HD unless its for expensive bragging rights. So maybe, niche, like Laserdisc. I worked in radiology and the radiologists had super hd type displays, uber expensive, like 2000 lines per inch. But they are a couple of feet away looking for tumors and fractures, they have a need.

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Yes, but not mainstream. There is no reason for super HD TVs in normal sizes, at normal viewing distances. The return doesn't justify the expense nor the FCC changing the rules on broadcast TV which all broadcasters follow. So as a niche, for projectors, for large screens 10 or more feet, I can see that. But at normal viewing distances, on normal sized screens in the 46-60" range, there is no reason for super HD unless its for expensive bragging rights. So maybe, niche, like Laserdisc. I worked in radiology and the radiologists had super hd type displays, uber expensive, like 2000 lines per inch. But they are a couple of feet away looking for tumors and fractures, they have a need.

I don't understand, why wouldn't a 4k tv in the 46-60" range be any better than a 1080p tv of the same size? If I'm not mistaken, the higher the resolution, the more detail you can make out from the same distance.