Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

This shows the industry that price will move this market. Set aside all ps3 owners for a sec, how does blu match up then? Sony's strat is to market this $399 player as a blu player then a game machine, which means I still have to spend $30 for a "real" remote, not a controller.

Look at the price drops/model changes Sony has had to do to stimulate ps3 sales in general?

DvD players didn't sell until they hit the $199 mark

I purchased a DVD player when it was $600 so that's not necessarly correct. By the way that is the one thing most of the doom and gloom crowd is forgetting.....PS3. I know you want to just remove it from the equation but it's not going away.

The key is not giving away highdef players (which is what Toshiba is trying to do), it's to sell more software. Do you personally think selling these cheap highdef players is going to equate to more software sales (enough to put a dent in BR signficant average weekly lead). My opinion is no but I'm intrested in what you personally feel is going to happen. I don't know, maybe they can convince Paramount to GIVE software away too....maybe sell their titles for $5?

We all know cheap stuff sales.....the important part is does it = highdef software sales. Warner is going to judge it off of software, not hardware sales.

[Xerious]

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

You dumb homer. Totally non-objective. Calling people trolls because they point out that HD-DVD players are actually selling. A friend of mine at Best Buy says that HD-DVD is now suddenly outperforming Blu at his store and it's not just because of Transformer. Totally blind homerism. These $199 players are a threat to our format. PERIOD.... u watch and see.

what's with you and the homer comments? homer was a very intelligent man, he did write the illiad you know...

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by theNothingComes

I started my film collecting with Super 8mm (yes I'm that old). So I know grain.

Went from film to the RCA dics, LDs, VHS (hated it), DVD loved it - Blu-Ray (can't and hopefully won't have to live with out it)

I will be trying a number of things suggested and I will be very carefull from now on as to how I word my postings.

After my apologies I hope that everyone will not view me as a troll, turd or jackass but really a true and devoted blu lover.

You are Welcome as an additional Blu-ray Fans around the world ,and my best wishes experiencing BD

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Do what you got to do. If you look at some of my old posts, I have never ripped on anybody for being purple. I rip on my brother for having an HD DVD player, but he is my brother and that is allowed by rule. It is your choice to own whatever you want and I hope you're happy with it. I won't ever say anything against a reason to supplement YOUR hometheater. I just don't think that "HD DVD is better because it is cheaper." is a good argument and it typically is used by HD DVD fanboys to make themselves feel better.

Have fun with you HD DVD player, I hope you enjoy.

LMFAO!!!!! Your just tooooo sweet

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

HD-DVD is cheaper, so it will win the war.

Ok, not at 800$ it's not winning, wait until 600$.

Ok, sorry. At 600$ it's not winning, wait until 500$. In the meantime we have these 200$ Xbox add-ons which will help!

Doh, our bad. At 500$ we are still losing. But we have this new player coming out at 350$. That one will do it.

Whoops. Uhh. Here, take these 250$ players, please.

Guess that didn't do it either. Here's a 200$ out of print model.

What in the world convinces people that suddenly, now, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that HD-DVD is suddenly going to have a massive turnaround, with the same selling point they have had from day 1?

One popular definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result...

The "suddenly" or "all of a sudden" is that now the market has matured a bit and there are more titles to be had on both formats. A sub-$200 piece of crap from Toshiba will cause problems for BD. Each consumer that unknowingly buys one of these pieces of junk is one less Blu-ray consumer. The more of these being dumped on the market, the more potential HD-DVD customers you have out there and the less for Blu-ray. Then the studios start to release more on HD DVD becuase of these crp players selling so well (or in this case, being given away in an effective manner). My question to the BDA is why take that chance? Lower your price just a little (not down to Toshiba's price level, no way should we go that low), but just $50-$75 would do the trick, along with the $399 PS3. Also bundle BD players with HDTV's and really lower the price on older Profile 1.0 players (1st gen's). By doing all of this, they can reduce the numbers of customers picking up the cheap junk, stay competitive with the cheaper option and most importantly grow their own Blu market.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by BigB88

But the BDA can say and do a lot, they simply choose not to. From strictly a business perspective, they are eliminating at least 60% of their potential market for the sake of a couple of bucks. Not logical. They need to lower prices, it is as simple as that.

Another arrogant post. We have so many geniuses on this board. I'm pleased to be a part of it. If only these multi-billion dollar companies would listen to our message board. We know what they should be doing, not them. Ugh. Ignored.

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by BluOgre

I purchased a DVD player when it was $600 so that's not necessarly correct.

You are not an avg consumer. Anyone who posts on this forum or owns a high def player currently is in that 5% who's taken the leap already.

The REAL $$ is in the other 95% who haven't jumped yet. Early adopters always appreciate new technology and jump asap, but they make up a relatively small number of the pie.

This is a stretch, but one could say that the war is just starting this xmas now with the $199 player. Prior to this, it was just a scrimmage!!

[StilettoViper]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

You are not an avg consumer. Anyone who posts on this forum or owns a high def player currently is in that 5% who's taken the leap already.

The REAL $$ is in the other 95% who haven't jumped yet. Early adopters always appreciate new technology and jump asap, but they make up a relatively small number of the pie.

This is a stretch, but one could say that the war is just starting this xmas now with the $199 player. Prior to this, it was just a scrimmage!!

Bingo! We have a winner! Some of these Homers have no clue. They are early adopters and that's it. They have no idea what mass adoption means. They believe the 5% decides the war. MORONS! LOL

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

This shows the industry that price will move this market. Set aside all ps3 owners for a sec, how does blu match up then?

This is impossible to say, because a whole lot of people bought PS3s because they wanted Blu-Ray players. If the PS3 did not exist, they would have bought a standalone player instead.

How many people bought PS3s as a Blu-Ray player? Any number you throw out would be pure speculation.

[cawgijoe]

9 posts....new member......having his chuckles......please close and delete this FUD.

If it's just a newbie not knowing what he is doing, then I apologize....

[The Don]

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

You dumb homer. Totally non-objective. Calling people trolls because they point out that HD-DVD players are actually selling. A friend of mine at Best Buy says that HD-DVD is now suddenly outperforming Blu at his store and it's not just because of Transformer. Totally blind homerism. These $199 players are a threat to our format. PERIOD.... u watch and see.

maybe some people forget what the actual URL to this site says

and Blu-ray is continuing to dominate....HD DVD is pushing the panic button once again and with the news today, I'd almost expect the BDA to come with something strong in the near future....

especially when a couple of these players do sell...

it has nothing to do with blind homerism....it's the fact that this is....blu-ray.com and we are pretty much showing why our format is better...by not acknowledging the inferior format...

that 199 price tag is what it is and people are getting what they pay for...

if someone can "just get Disney movies on DVD"...then why purchase a HD DVD player in the first place?....

plain and simple..

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

This is impossible to say, because a whole lot of people bought PS3s because they wanted Blu-Ray players. If the PS3 did not exist, they would have bought a standalone player instead.

How many people bought PS3s as a Blu-Ray player? Any number you throw out would be pure speculation.

I personally wanted a PS3 now because of Blu-ray....I play games here and there but wanted it for my movies...

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by StilettoViper

Bingo! We have a winner! Some of these Homers have no clue. They are early adopters and that's it. They have no idea what mass adoption means. They believe the 5% decides the war. MORONS! LOL

The 5% DO decide the war, because regardless of price point the masses will not buy either product until the war is over.

You are completely clueless if you do not understand this.

Hell, Toshiba is clueless because they don't understand this.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by BigB88

The "suddenly" or "all of a sudden" is that now the market has matured a bit and there are more titles to be had on both formats. A sub-$200 piece of crap from Toshiba will cause problems for BD. Each consumer that unknowingly buys one of these pieces of junk is one less Blu-ray consumer. The more of these being dumped on the market, the more potential HD-DVD customers you have out there and the less for Blu-ray. Then the studios start to release more on HD DVD becuase of these crp players selling so well (or in this case, being given away in an effective manner). My question to the BDA is why take that chance? Lower your price just a little (not down to Toshiba's price level, no way should we go that low), but just $50-$75 would do the trick, along with the $399 PS3. Also bundle BD players with HDTV's and really lower the price on older Profile 1.0 players (1st gen's). By doing all of this, they can reduce the numbers of customers picking up the cheap junk, stay competitive with the cheaper option and most importantly grow their own Blu market.

I think the PS3 price is fine...but the standalone's should be 299...and higher depending on the features...

299 for a BD player right now is just fine..

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by BigB88

The "suddenly" or "all of a sudden" is that now the market has matured a bit and there are more titles to be had on both formats. A sub-$200 piece of crap from Toshiba will cause problems for BD. Each consumer that unknowingly buys one of these pieces of junk is one less Blu-ray consumer. The more of these being dumped on the market, the more potential HD-DVD customers you have out there and the less for Blu-ray. Then the studios start to release more on HD DVD becuase of these crp players selling so well (or in this case, being given away in an effective manner). My question to the BDA is why take that chance? Lower your price just a little (not down to Toshiba's price level, no way should we go that low), but just $50-$75 would do the trick, along with the $399 PS3. Also bundle BD players with HDTV's and really lower the price on older Profile 1.0 players (1st gen's). By doing all of this, they can reduce the numbers of customers picking up the cheap junk, stay competitive with the cheaper option and most importantly grow their own Blu market.

They will take it back anyway cause it wont hardly play anything rite out of the box & the first thing they have todo is a few filmware upgrades & pray & boil & pray & boil & pray & boil & then do that some more , you get my point. J6P wont no what to do when they get it home & all the crap you have to do to maybe get it to work RETURNED

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by The Don

I personally wanted a PS3 now because of Blu-ray....I play games here and there but wanted it for my movies...

Same here.

[k20king]

Originally Posted by Xerious

what's with you and the homer comments? homer was a very intelligent man, he did write the illiad you know...

i think HD-DUD fan boys don't read, especially classic literature like the illiad, but it only shows that us Blu supporters do.

Go Blu!

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Sonny

They will take it back anyway cause it wont hardly play anything rite out of the box & the first thing they have todo is a few filmware upgrades & pray & boil & pray & boil & pray & boil & then do that some more , you get my point. J6P wont no what to do when they get it home & all the crap you have to do to maybe get it to work RETURNED

YA WHAT HE SAID^^^^^^^

[k20king]

Originally Posted by The Don

I personally wanted a PS3 now because of Blu-ray....I play games here and there but wanted it for my movies...

same here too.

blu brought back the love of movies for me...

Wow I have never watcher Robocop uncut, i guess cus i watch it on brouadcast...WOW Great Movie!!! Nice Gore and everything!!!

Blu-ray Robocop Rocks!!!

[cawgijoe]

Originally Posted by theNothingComes

I was afraid I was going to be kicked of before I'd hardly begun and I understand why. I was came off very negative my first time out of the gate. Thanks for the message. I think they'll me stay.

Please see the review on this very site.