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Originally Posted by chachaseeds

Bluray wasn't a repeat of DVD because:

1.) DVD offered both convenience and much improved PQ/AQ over VHS. Bluray only offers much improved PQ/AQ, and at first bluray players and discs were far more expensive than DVD setups. Bluray also required people to upgrade to HDTVs.

2.) Streaming, although it isn't the choice of movie collectors and other A/V purists, appeals much to the masses (who, as others have said, don't give a crap about the quality differences) because it provides instant gratification. Streaming was not widely used at all when DVD replaced VHS.

DVD also offered a lot of special features that were not generally available on vHS. We also must not forget they VHS was not sold at sell through prices, DVD never got the early "rental" window that the DVD got.

DVD opened the door to the idea of an ownership model, many VHS consumers shifted from the rental user to a buyer. So many new movies were all of sudden being released on DVD.

For most people, laserdisc was too expensive and exclusive to enter into, DVD came along and the right place and right time.

I disagree about your comments that people who like streaming do not like quality.

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Originally Posted by pagemaster

DVD also offered a lot of special features that were not generally available on vHS. We also must not forget they VHS was not sold at sell through prices, DVD never got the early "rental" window that the DVD got.

DVD opened the door to the idea of an ownership model, many VHS consumers shifted from the rental user to a buyer. So many new movies were all of sudden being released on DVD.

For most people, laserdisc was too expensive and exclusive to enter into, DVD came along and the right place and right time.

I disagree about your comments that people who like streaming do not like quality.

You left out VCD (Video Compact Disc)

[Livelong420]

Here's a point nobody has touched on (on this page): the world economy is in horrible shape.

[Steedeel]

However, people still buy iPads and smartphones. I stick to my opinion that most people are just sheep, I am so happy that I am not one. I won't get rid of my piano, I won't get rid of my home cinema, I won't get rid of my record player, I won't get rid of my bluray player, I won't get rid of my separates music system and I won't sell myself out for convenience. Quality, it's all about the quality. In my opinion, kids just don't know what it is.


Long live bluray, long live quality. Bring on 4k!

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

DVD also offered a lot of special features that were not generally available on vHS. We also must not forget they VHS was not sold at sell through prices, DVD never got the early "rental" window that the DVD got.

DVD opened the door to the idea of an ownership model, many VHS consumers shifted from the rental user to a buyer. So many new movies were all of sudden being released on DVD.

For most people, laserdisc was too expensive and exclusive to enter into, DVD came along and the right place and right time.

I disagree about your comments that people who like streaming do not like quality.

I don't know about the states but VHS was sold at sell thru prices in the UK from about 1986 onwards. By the time DVD came out we were used to buying widescreen editions of films with occasional special features.

I like streaming but know for a fact its pretty poor quality (there's no debating that, its just a fact). As I say, it's a threat to the cable networks, not the collectors market, as they and the cable market are competing for the same crowd.

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Originally Posted by KRW1

I don't know about the states but VHS was sold at sell thru prices in the UK from about 1986 onwards. By the time DVD came out we were used to buying widescreen editions of films with occasional special features.

I like streaming but know for a fact its pretty poor quality (there's no debating that, its just a fact). As I say, it's a threat to the cable networks, not the collectors market, as they and the cable market are competing for the same crowd.

agreed, I can see streaming taking a BIG chunk of the cable market due to the fact that it's already catering to that crowd. beside the nice markets like Itunes and Vudu which is basically like PPV, the movie market is very limited streaming wise.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by wormraper

agreed, I can see streaming taking a BIG chunk of the cable market due to the fact that it's already catering to that crowd. beside the nice markets like Itunes and Vudu which is basically like PPV, the movie market is very limited streaming wise.

Yeah, I've never really given it much thought before but the same people subscribing to movie channels are the ones realising Netflix does the same thing but they get to call the shots. It's pretty obvious what's going to happen there down the line. I'll watch with interest while continuing to buy discs.

The market to buy films as downloads is practically non-existant as far as I can tell. The PS3 invites me to, but why would I pay more money for a poorer version of a film I already own? There's just no sense to it. For 4k, all bets are off, but with 100gb downloads being mentioned, they're going to have to come up with some form of disc based format or they'll never push it worldwide. I've got an OK connection, mostly, but there's no way I'd bother downloading 100gb (and the storage issues it involves, one hard drive for 20 movies? Yeah, that's convenient, trying to work it out but I'd need something like 40+ hard drives at the moment for a simliar size library) for one movie.

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Originally Posted by KRW1

Yeah, I've never really given it much thought before but the same people subscribing to movie channels are the ones realising Netflix does the same thing but they get to call the shots. It's pretty obvious what's going to happen there down the line. I'll watch with interest while continuing to buy discs.

agree

The market to buy films as downloads is practically non-existant as far as I can tell.

yup, just check out the DEG report.

The PS3 invites me to, but why would I pay more money for a poorer version of a film I already own? There's just no sense to it.

agree, add to it that there is a bD player everywhere my PS3 is located

For 4k, all bets are off, but with 100gb downloads being mentioned, they're going to have to come up with some form of disc based format or they'll never push it worldwide. I've got an OK connection, mostly, but there's no way I'd bother downloading 100gb (and the storage issues it involves, one hard drive for 20 movies? Yeah, that's convenient, trying to work it out but I'd need something like 40+ hard drives at the moment for a similar size library) for one movie.

agree 100%, plus it is 100GB for an average movie, imagine something like Cleopatra or LOTR, you would need a TB just for those films. And 100GB might not seam that pad, but do you just see/buy one film a month? Thursday I passed in front of HMV so I walked in and came out with three films. Just one of them would hurt my cap at ~300GB just in one purchase it would kill most of the people that have caps out there.

[KRW1]

Yeah, I nabbed up 6 discs this morning in a sale. Thinking about popping out for some more now, could never do that with 100gb size files.

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Originally Posted by KRW1

I don't know about the states but VHS was sold at sell thru prices in the UK from about 1986 onwards. By the time DVD came out we were used to buying widescreen editions of films with occasional special features.

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In North America, DVD offered both widescreen and full screen for a very long time, keep in mind that consumers didn't immediately shift to widescreen dvds...there were both options and until 16x9 televisions became the norm, now it would be very difficult to find a new release full screen feature film on dvd.

As for sell through, DVD is what pushed the whole idea of "buying" for the masses. There was no longer a rental window for DVD like there was on VHS.

There are consumers that clearly do see the benefit of streaming or downloading feature films. The quality is actually there, especially on Apple TV etc.

What is certain is that streaming will become the dominate way consumers watch movies inside their home. Consumers will shift from a "buying" consumer to a "renting" consumer...there will be blu rays for those who want it, but they days of paying a high price for a new release blu ray or dvd will be coming to an end for the masses.

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Originally Posted by pagemaster

In North America, DVD offered both widescreen and full screen for a very long time, keep in mind that consumers didn't immediately shift to widescreen dvds...there were both options and until 16x9 televisions became the norm, now it would be very difficult to find a new release full screen feature film on dvd.

As for sell through, DVD is what pushed the whole idea of "buying" for the masses. There was no longer a rental window for DVD like there was on VHS.



There are consumers that clearly do see the benefit of streaming or downloading feature films. The quality is actually there, especially on Apple TV etc.

What is certain is that streaming will become the dominate way consumers watch movies inside their home. Consumers will shift from a "buying" consumer to a "renting" consumer...

lol, I'd love for you to actually back that up with proof

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Originally Posted by wormraper

lol, I'd love for you to actually back that up with proof

Here is a good article.

http://www.dvdkioskinsider.com/2012/...deo-on-demand/

The biggest gain appears to be at kiosk locations where movies typically cost less than $1.50 per night. Kiosk’s now make up 45 percent of the physical-media rental market, up by five percent since the groups last study of the disc vs. online rental market.

Physical disk rentals witnessed a 17 percent drop since last year while on-demand rentals now account for 38 percent of the overall movie rental market after rising by five percent. The biggest gain in the movie rental market comes in large part because of Netflix’s push towards its Watch Instantly program which accounts for two-thirds of the on-demand streaming market.

Blu ray still dominates, but the shift is coming.

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Originally Posted by pagemaster

Here is a good article.

http://www.dvdkioskinsider.com/2012/...deo-on-demand/

The biggest gain appears to be at kiosk locations where movies typically cost less than $1.50 per night. Kiosk’s now make up 45 percent of the physical-media rental market, up by five percent since the groups last study of the disc vs. online rental market.

Physical disk rentals witnessed a 17 percent drop since last year while on-demand rentals now account for 38 percent of the overall movie rental market after rising by five percent. The biggest gain in the movie rental market comes in large part because of Netflix’s push towards its Watch Instantly program which accounts for two-thirds of the on-demand streaming market.

Blu ray still dominates, but the shift is coming.

yeah, RENTALS. only a PORTION of the viewing industry. this has been estimated for years. The entire rental industry has been a fluctuating market for decades.

Not only that if you notice the article includes places like Netflix, Hulu etc who pretty much have a crap selection of just TV shows and Bollywood/Indie/D grade flicks on there. That's like the places that include the youtube streaming stats into their TOTAL STREAMING stats as "proof" that streaming is taking off. apples to oranges my good friend, apples to oranges

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Originally Posted by wormraper

yeah, RENTALS..

Yeah, rentals will become the way the masses consume their movies at home. And the way they will be doing it WILL be streaming. There will still be blu rays available to buy, so people shouldn't panic. But the majority of people will move to streaming.

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Originally Posted by pagemaster

Yeah, rentals will become the way the masses consume their movies at home. And the way they will be doing it WILL be streaming. There will still be blu rays available to buy, so people shouldn't panic.

lol, read my edit. That article is all sorts of flawed.

+ you make the assumption that people are going to stop buying in masses and go rental only. that's only a supposition by some of the fringe speculators at the moment and would require a paradigm shift in human thinking

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Originally Posted by wormraper

Netflix, Hulu etc who pretty much have a crap selection of just TV shows and Bollywood/Indie/D grade flicks on there.

Don't forget that iTunes has movies that are not currently available on blu ray in the North American market. I just recently watched two of them, Running Scared and Tender Mercies.

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Originally Posted by pagemaster

Don't forget that iTunes has movies that are not currently available on blu ray in the North American market. I just recently watched two of them, Running Scared and Tender Mercies.

correct, but their marketshare is ridiculously low. as I've said before, if it's not the $8 all you can eat buffet of streaming most people don't want it.

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Originally Posted by wormraper

correct, but their marketshare is ridiculously low. as I've said before, if it's not the $8 all you can eat buffet of streaming most people don't want it.

Plus, I cannot rent older blu ray movies at Red Box kiosks.

I can buy them in store or rent them in 1080p from an online source.

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Originally Posted by pagemaster

Plus, I cannot rent older blu ray movies at Red Box kiosks.

I can buy them in store or rent them in 1080p from an online source.

or just rent them from netflix disc bases..

most people who RENT or are of a rental mentality (meaning not people who collect) only care about consumption, meaning the latest and greatest is all they'll get and then never watch it again so catalog titles mean nothing to them after they are watched right after release date.

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Originally Posted by wormraper

or just rent them from netflix disc bases..

What? Then I have to wait? Home many days?