Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I would trade the fancy menus for blu rays that start off where you stop them when turn off the power button.

I always watch movie from start to finish

[MikeCL]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I always watch movie from start to finish

I try but when you 13 hour days it's hard...

[Abdrewes]

Picked up a DVD today actually

[MikeCL]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

Picked up a DVD today actually

i was going to pick up a few from the dollar store for the Upgrade and save.

[Spicoli]

Originally Posted by nec1912

Why did blu ray not take of like DVD's ? When DVD's came out it was like wow we need to get all these movies and TV shows on DVD ASAP. Not the same with blu ray .

The movies are slowing catching up to blu ray but the TV shows what a disaster. Could this be because of the recession or the people spent so much money and time going from VHS to DVD that they burned out . In other words if blu ray came out in the next 2 or 3 years from now it would been okay DVD been around for long time now that go to blu ray.

Many say Ultra high-definition 4K UHDTV (2160p) or 8K UHDTV 4320p is the next thing of the future . But with blu ray having such hard time I think 4K UHDTV or 8K UHDTV is doomed . May be in 15 or 20 years from now.

So is this public getting tired switching evey 5 or 10 years ?

The switch from VHS to DVD involved a physical media change with new technology.

DVD to Blu-ray was just a technological change. My theory is because it is still just a disk no need to switch. When the actual media changes (Maybe to thumb drive) then we will se another big change.

[MikeCL]

^ I hope not!

I own more blu-ray movies then I did the whole time DVD's came out to market.. My first DVD was Air force One which I still have with it's double side disk.

If I never found this site I bet you I would of still been around 10..

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I find the film without any behind the scenes stuff is better. I don't like to know, why or how etc something was made. But that is just my opinion. There are some movies that do deserve to be bought and stored, but not all.

You don't always get just those 'making of' things though. Some discs come with other short films, and documentaries about events depicted in the films if appropriate. My favourites are the short films, means you can have a short before the main feature which sometimes works brilliantly.

Some packages from Criterion or MOC are like little film school modules in themselves. Depends if you like to learn things or not mind.

[bluearth]

Go to a store. See the numerous music CDs.

If they could survive itunes, streaming, etc, then physical movie media will survive just fine

[Spicoli]

Originally Posted by MikeCL

^ I hope not!

I own more blu-ray movies then I did the whole time DVD's came out to market.. My first DVD was Air force One which I still have with it's double side disk.

If I never found this site I bet you I would of still been around 10..

Everything has planned obsolescence built in( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence ) Some are longer than others. I work at Costco, no DVD players anymore.

Originally Posted by bluearth

Go to a store. See the numerous music CDs.

If they could survive itunes, streaming, etc, then physical movie media will survive just fine

I believe physical will survive only because the HD/Bandwidth issue has not been solved. Even then I will be storing in my house never in the cloud.

I worked in a theater and we loaded very large file movie from flash drives. I see no reason why 4K wont be delivered the same.

[MikeCL]

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I worked in a theater and we loaded very large file movie from flash drives. I see no reason why 4K wont be delivered the same.

I have a question.. I work at ups and every week deluxe digital sends movies or trailers to the movie theater.. what happens say if the drive gets lost? And the movie is showing is 1-2 days away?

I'm amazed they ship the christie projector lamps

[bluearth]

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Everything has planned obsolescence built in( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence ) Some are longer than others. I work at Costco, no DVD players anymore.



I believe physical will survive only because the HD/Bandwidth issue has not been solved. Even then I will be storing in my house never in the cloud.

I worked in a theater and we loaded very large file movie from flash drives. I see no reason why 4K wont be delivered the same.

At the moment flash drives are still very expensive. A 16GB flash drive is on average 5-10x more expensive then a single 25GB bluray-R disc. 4K will require 100GBs+ storage. In 5-7 years when 4K arrives 100GB flash drives will have dropped in price, but I doubt they will be cheap enough to use instead of disc.

[Spicoli]

Originally Posted by MikeCL

I have a question.. I work at ups and every week deluxe digital sends movies or trailers to the movie theater.. what happens say if the drive gets lost? And the movie is showing is 1-2 days away?

I'm amazed they ship the christie projector lamps

Ya know I stand corrected, trailers were on thumb drives. The movies came on a hard drive. You get emailed encryption codes to download for piracy reasons.

When the movie doesn't show up (and they cut it close a lot but most of the time we got them early just waited on the codes, Some studios were way more lenient than others FOX was the worst), you hope someone around has a copy you can borrow. It happened when a movie crashed (never previewed) and had to go across town to borrow a copy from a competitor. It is in everyones best interest to not miss a show.

[Spicoli]

Originally Posted by bluearth

At the moment flash drives are still very expensive. A 16GB flash drive is on average 5-10x more expensive then a single 25GB bluray-R disc. 4K will require 100GBs+ storage. In 5-7 years when 4K arrives 100GB flash drives will have dropped in price, but I doubt they will be cheap enough to use instead of disc.

You are right, I am very curious as to how the next technology will be delivered. Maybe discs that are downloadable (in parts) to the players hard drive.

[MikeCL]

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Ya know I stand corrected, trailers were on thumb drives. The movies came on a hard drive. You get emailed encryption codes to download for piracy reasons.

When the movie doesn't show up (and they cut it close a lot but most of the time we got them early just waited on the codes, Some studios were way more lenient than others FOX was the worst), you hope someone around has a copy you can borrow. It happened when a movie crashed (never previewed) and had to go across town to borrow a copy from a competitor. It is in everyones best interest to not miss a show.

Wow that has to suck if something like that happened before a showing I think it's pretty cool! The only theater now that gets the film canisters is a place that shows mostly older films.

I'm guessing the technicolor orange cases are movies as well?

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by MikeCL

I have a question.. I work at ups and every week deluxe digital sends movies or trailers to the movie theater.. what happens say if the drive gets lost? And the movie is showing is 1-2 days away?

I'm amazed they ship the christie projector lamps

Deluxe and Technicolor have always shipped prints a few days before the movies was to open. If the hard drive gets lost, they well just issue you a new hard drive and they will get it to you.

If it gets lost, it is no big deal to the studio, DCP films cannot be played on non-DCP equipment anyways, plus you require the codes, no way around that.

As for movie prints of film, many of the films are now shipped around via bus, movies still occasionally arrive day of the showing. In my 20 years of working in the exhibition industry, I have never seen a movie not be delivered before the 1st show.

[img eL]

In addition to the equipment already found in a film-based movie theatre a DCI-compliant digital cinema screen requires a digital projector and a computer known as a "server"[14]
Movies are supplied to the theatre as a digital file called a "Digital Cinema Package"(DCP).[15] For a typical feature film this file will be of the order of 200-300GB and may arrive as a physical delivery on a conventional computer hard-drive or via satellite or fibre-optic broadband.[16] Currently (Feb 2013) physical deliveries are most common, but this may well change in the near future. Advertisements and trailers are also supplied as DCPs but, due to their much smaller size, these will normally be supplied on DVD-ROM, USB stick or by internet download.
Regardless of how the DCP arrives it first needs to be copied onto the internal hard-drives of the server, a process known as "ingesting". DCPs can be, and in the case of feature films almost always are, encrypted. The necessary decryption keys are supplied separately, usually as email attachments. Keys are time limited and will expire after the end of the period for which the title has been booked. They are also locked to the hardware (server and projector) that is to screen the film, so if the theatre wishes to move the title to another screen or extend the run a new key must be obtained from the distributor.[17]
The playback of the content is controlled by the server using a "playlist". As the name implies this is a list of all the content that is to be played as part of the performance, the playlist will be created by a member of the theatre's staff using proprietary software that runs on the server. In addition to listing the content to be played the playlist also includes automation cues that allow the playlist to control the projector, the sound system, auditorium lighting, tab curtains and screen masking (if present) etc. The playlist can be started manually, by clicking the "play" button on the server's monitor screen, or automatically at pre-set times.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cinema

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by MikeCL

I try but when you 13 hour days it's hard...

I wouldn't work that many hours. Life is too short. However if people have families I suppose they may have to?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Deluxe and Technicolor have always shipped prints a few days before the movies was to open. If the hard drive gets lost, they well just issue you a new hard drive and they will get it to you.

If it gets lost, it is no big deal to the studio, DCP films cannot be played on non-DCP equipment anyways, plus you require the codes, no way around that.

As for movie prints of film, many of the films are now shipped around via bus, movies still occasionally arrive day of the showing. In my 20 years of working in the exhibition industry, I have never seen a movie not be delivered before the 1st show.

I am sure I read that satellite delivery may be an option soon.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by octagon

Never is still a long time. Hell, ten years can be a long time when it comes to tech.

yeah, but never might still make sense, for example would you argue that any amount of time would be enough for Beta, LD, HD-DVD..... to take over? obviously hindsight is 20-20, but if someone believes a particular format does not not have a bright enough future, then never makes sense.

For example (of what I mean) look at itunes, it never dethroned CD and now it is losing market share to the other digital competition out there. It is very unlikely that it will ever replace CDs, that does not mean that something else might replace CDs or that the market won’t be extremely fractured with no dominant format, but I think the chances that most people will be buying on itunes and listening to itunes is more or less gone at this point.

Now It might be too early to say how badly or well AppleTV will do, but I don’t see it as that farfetched to believe it has no future, as EST goes demand is almost none existent and as rentals go, I can’t see why someone will want to pay a heavy premium. It is far behind most of its competition and it does not have the captive market as it did early on in the music industry.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Dude, I don't have time for this stuff. If not answering these questions makes me a non seasoned home cinema enthusiast, then so be it. Its your call.

it makes you a troll, like all trolls it is whatever BS you can post and get away with: You call yourself a seasoned pro and then talk of your brother calibrating everything but you have no idea how he did it; you talk about how a small TV is OK and no one needs anything bigger and the only big TV you saw was your dads and then you talk about having a big TV; half your rants are how BDs are way overpriced and not worth the money so you will rather watch the itunes version and the other half how BD is doomed because they are too cheap; half the time you try and pretend there is no A/V difference between BD and streaming and the other half