Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

It will for sometime here in Australia..

IIRC, Here in the states Google and Verizon have halted all their future plans for fiber.

Most streaming advocates seem to think physical disc is a competitor to streaming, I have long held streaming was a competitor to MCVP. Read Hasting has stated several times that he wanted Netflix to be the next HBO.

Other folks were trying to use the coming X-Box One as an example of what access to UHDTV would most likely be like and UHDTV would never be available on disc. I did not take MS long to realize their wicked ways and axed all those plans. They even said it would ship with a Blu-ray player

And just in case anyone cares, we were streaming our main program channel to the internet in the 90's, signed on WMPN-DT (low power) in November 1998, etc., etc.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Stills or in motion?

Motion. IIRC, it was a panel of folks (made up of M & Fs) placed before two calibrated monitors with synced (close anyway) movies. Most of the panel had no problem picking out the monitor playing the BD

[THXGuru]

Originally Posted by KRW1

I don't think anyone has said that, have they?

From what I have been reading on here and the way some of the comments are, they make it look like that in order for streaming/downloading to be considered a success, it needs to replace blu-ray and blu-ray then needs to no longer be on the market.

Blu-ray will probably be on the market in one way or another for at least the next 15 years, unless a 4K disc is able to make to the market, then blu-ray will be the default for the home enthusiast. DVD will die out as soon as streaming gets to the level of saturation it needs to be at.

Where does streaming go in the next 3-5 years, well streaming will start penetrating more and more homes, the average user will not be using 4K so bandwidth is not going to be factor. Farmers can keep their physical media, but seriously I have never seen a Red Box near farm territory.

The future IMO is as follows:

1. The real kiss of death for blu-ray will be when the studios make a concerted and well timed pitch for streaming before blu-ray release date. Blu rays will emerge on the market a few weeks after the big advertising push of streaming.

2. Netflix will eventually become the de-facto internet streaming channel. We

3. More and more wi-fi will be streamed to Smart TVs. A la cart television will make the cable subscription absolutely useless to home owners.

STREAMING IS THE FUTURE, there is no if, ends, or buts about it.

[The Fallen Deity]

As long as there's people out there that actually the physical products, Blu-Ray won't be going anywhere.

[dib2]

I have had Internet problems for 3 weeks. Every time someone came out to fix the issue they left and the next day I needed to call because I was having more problems. I told them I was going to cancel because I can't keep waiting 6 or 7 days for someone to come out to fix the problem that they never fixed the first time. The last time I called they told me 7 more days before someone could come out. The next day, Saturday, someone was out working on the main box to our neighborhood and they found another problem. It works now. But if I had to rely on an internet connection to watch movies, I can honestly say I would probably rent at best and probably watch my old movies more. I would not adopt 4k at all if it were streaming only.

[punkguy03]

I like owning the media and physical media offers the best quality.

Not to mention if there's a zombie apocalypse we won't have Internet and I'd need my blurays to watch! (I'd have a generator for electricity since I know someone will bring that up lol)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by THXGuru

From what I have been reading on here and the way some of the comments are, they make it look like that in order for streaming/downloading to be considered a success, it needs to replace blu-ray and blu-ray then needs to no longer be on the market.

Blu-ray will probably be on the market in one way or another for at least the next 15 years, unless a 4K disc is able to make to the market, then blu-ray will be the default for the home enthusiast. DVD will die out as soon as streaming gets to the level of saturation it needs to be at.

Where does streaming go in the next 3-5 years, well streaming will start penetrating more and more homes, the average user will not be using 4K so bandwidth is not going to be factor. Farmers can keep their physical media, but seriously I have never seen a Red Box near farm territory.

The future IMO is as follows:

1. The real kiss of death for blu-ray will be when the studios make a concerted and well timed pitch for streaming before blu-ray release date. Blu rays will emerge on the market a few weeks after the big advertising push of streaming.

2. Netflix will eventually become the de-facto internet streaming channel. We

3. More and more wi-fi will be streamed to Smart TVs. A la cart television will make the cable subscription absolutely useless to home owners.

STREAMING IS THE FUTURE, there is no if, ends, or buts about it.

With inflated prices to match. So cable will be replaced by streaming and it's going to be as expensive if not more so.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

I like owning the media and physical media offers the best quality.

Not to mention if there's a zombie apocalypse we won't have Internet and I'd need my blurays to watch! (I'd have a generator for electricity since I know someone will bring that up lol)

You can borrow some of my blurays. If I can borrow your generator occasionally.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by dib2

I have had Internet problems for 3 weeks. Every time someone came out to fix the issue they left and the next day I needed to call because I was having more problems. I told them I was going to cancel because I can't keep waiting 6 or 7 days for someone to come out to fix the problem that they never fixed the first time. The last time I called they told me 7 more days before someone could come out. The next day, Saturday, someone was out working on the main box to our neighborhood and they found another problem. It works now. But if I had to rely on an internet connection to watch movies, I can honestly say I would probably rent at best and probably watch my old movies more. I would not adopt 4k at all if it were streaming only.

Yep, it's so stress free just popping that disc in my playstation. Uninterrupted movie.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Motion. IIRC, it was a panel of folks (made up of M & Fs) placed before two calibrated monitors with synced (close anyway) movies. Most of the panel had no problem picking out the monitor playing the BD

Ok, thanks for that.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by THXGuru

From what I have been reading on here and the way some of the comments are, they make it look like that in order for streaming/downloading to be considered a success, it needs to replace blu-ray and blu-ray then needs to no longer be on the market.

Blu-ray will probably be on the market in one way or another for at least the next 15 years, unless a 4K disc is able to make to the market, then blu-ray will be the default for the home enthusiast. DVD will die out as soon as streaming gets to the level of saturation it needs to be at.

Where does streaming go in the next 3-5 years, well streaming will start penetrating more and more homes, the average user will not be using 4K so bandwidth is not going to be factor. Farmers can keep their physical media, but seriously I have never seen a Red Box near farm territory.

The future IMO is as follows:

1. The real kiss of death for blu-ray will be when the studios make a concerted and well timed pitch for streaming before blu-ray release date. Blu rays will emerge on the market a few weeks after the big advertising push of streaming.

2. Netflix will eventually become the de-facto internet streaming channel. We

3. More and more wi-fi will be streamed to Smart TVs. A la cart television will make the cable subscription absolutely useless to home owners.

STREAMING IS THE FUTURE, there is no if, ends, or buts about it.

It's not the bluray folk saying that, as far as I can see, but those who bang on about the 'death of physical media'. Hence the actual thread title? You say 'the kiss of death for bluray' and then say it'll be around for the next 15 years. You can't have your cake and eat it. You see that on here a lot, for some reason.

As far as I can see, apart from the 'kiss of death' thing, we're in agree on most things.

Streaming is the present and the future. At the moment, it's a bit of a golden age for it. Netflix has the market to itself, more or less, and is making good headway but I think as soon as it becomes big enough to become a serious threat to the cable companies and film companies (and that day is not yet here) you'll see a massive fragmentation of the market.

Why else would Netflix be spending serious money on it's own programming? Because they realise that in order to break through to the next level they can't rely on licencing movies and TV shows from the companies they're competing with who are as alive as we are to this issue and will start their own services. That's when the real battle begins.

It's not between Netflix and bluray. It's between Netflix, Warner, Fox, AMC and HBO. Bluray is a different market entirely.

The window thing is largely irrelevant. It's not the people spending $35 on a new Criterion release spending $20 on Despicable Me 2 on release day*. It's the former that's more resilient.

*I'm sure you could Venn Diagram it to an extent but, hey, people are different not one great mass who do the same thing.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Motion. IIRC, it was a panel of folks (made up of M & Fs) placed before two calibrated monitors with synced (close anyway) movies. Most of the panel had no problem picking out the monitor playing the BD

HDX quality has actually improved from years back, and some movies offer upgraded masters too. But nonetheless, the difference should still be perceptible to a trained eye. The main problem I have with UV/Vudu is the fact that sometimes the Aspect ratio is wrong, or as mentioned, it's using an older scan compared to the BD.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, it's so stress free just popping that disc in my playstation. Uninterrupted movie.

not only that, consider this - with digital media, what is stop the studio from sending an "upgraded" version to your playstation the next time George Lucas decides to enhance Star Wars(okay, it won't happen anymore but you get the idea). with the disc, you have the movie as it - nothing will ever change.

streaming isn't the present. it is an option and probably the future but for it to be the present, it has to be something a majority of the people are using and right now, that is probably still dvd. netflix has less than 30 million streaming users in the States right now. that's what, 10% of the population and it is probably the most popular? bluray is in about 17% - big difference and that doesn't include things like PS3. if you are talking about what they are doing with the media, sure it is pretty much dead as they really are not developing it anymore - most movies don't have the internet options and such that were advertised as a feature. but that does not equal obsolete.

[Steedeel]

[QUOTE=blonde_devil;8100689]not only that, consider this - with digital media, what is stop the studio from sending an "upgraded" version to your playstation the next time George Lucas decides to enhance Star Wars(okay, it won't happen anymore but you get the idea). with the disc, you have the movie as it - nothing will ever change.

streaming isn't the present. it is an option and probably the future but for it to be the present, it has to be something a majority of the people are using and right now, that is probably still dvd. netflix has less than 30 million streaming users in the States right now. that's what, 10% of the population and it is probably the most popular? bluray is in about 17% - big difference and that doesn't include things like PS3. if you are talking about what they are doing with the media, sure it is pretty much dead as they really are not developing it anymore - most movies don't have the internet options and such that were advertised as a feature. but that does not equal obsolete.[/


Too true, and who wants to watch the new Star Wars films any other way than bluray.
Plus, I have the option of buying some cult films this year that I didn't think would be released on bluray, so another huge bonus for me. Several more discs for my Christmas list. All looking the best they can and without any VHS moments interrupting the enjoyment .

[Megalith]

I'm sick of these *******s who are constantly putting convenience ahead of quality. It's the same shit with lossy music.

[punkguy03]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You can borrow some of my blurays. If I can borrow your generator occasionally.

I think we can work something out :-)

[THXGuru]

Originally Posted by Megalith

I'm sick of these *******s who are constantly putting convenience ahead of quality. It's the same shit with lossy music.

It has always been like that.

Remember 70mm? well, what do you get when you go to the cinema today?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

The main problem I have with UV/Vudu is the fact that sometimes the Aspect ratio is wrong, or as mentioned, it's using an older scan compared to the BD.

Yes, that caught me off guard. Right after Walmart started the D2D I took five DVDs in for conversion to HDX because there was no Blu-ray version on the horizon of those titles. Of the five, one was cropped and zoomed (Beyond Thunderdome). Needless to say, I was PO, especially since the DVD is 2.40 (anamorphic). Fortunately, the DVD has now been replaced with a Blu-ray version

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Megalith

I'm sick of these

It's OK, it is a never ending story. When I first started it was Transistor vs Tube, then it was CD vs LP, then LaserDisc vs CED, βeta vs VHS, DVD vs DIVX DVD, Blu-ray vs HD DVD and the beat continues... and that was just the consumer side. On the pro it side it was the same, we had quad vs helical, A wind vs B wind 1", ⅔" vs ½" pickup CCD, 8VSB vs COFDM, 1080i vs 720P....

What most people do not do is follow up on all these folks making predictions. I did some time back and there were MORE wrongs than rights.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

It will for sometime here in Australia, our newly elected Government are not commited to implementing what's known here as the 'national broadband network' that the previous Government was rolling out. This is why these topics are flawed, because threads like this are overrun by American opinions based on what you see is going on around you, without a single thought about the reality where the rest of the world is concerned.

Hey member from Sydney, Australia , here's a single thought for you (not just a free ice cream) from a fellow (me) who remembers how long it was before I had bean to an international soccer match…

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