Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[tob]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I have only one reservation as to application….https://twitter.com/mattpcarter/stat...743424/photo/1

Armenian Soccer Player Aras Ozbiliz Takes Worst Corner Kick Ever - YouTube

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I have only one reservation as to application….https://twitter.com/mattpcarter/stat...743424/photo/1

Armenian Soccer Player Aras Ozbiliz Takes Worst Corner Kick Ever - YouTube

Very funny

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

In regard to AVS, I’m told indications are that the membership-at-large and the administration is much more ‘pro’ than ‘anti’ 4K, for which I’m happy they’re finally getting it right after choosing the wrong (and technologically inferior) side in the Blu-ray vs. HD DVD format war.

In a way I sort of felt sorry for some of those guys (Alan Gouger and David Bott) because there is no telling what kind of HD DVD carrot was dangled in front of them during that period. They rolled the dice and lost. Alan's post no longer shows him a an administrator and the earlier sales staff members seems to be gone.

For me, AVS did/does have one of the better forums for high end video projectors.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

the thing we all need to remember too is what are we watching - having a clearer picture doesn't always make the movie better. bluray is already pushing the limits of some older shows like Twilight Zone and Star Trek because the make-up, costumes and sets were never meant to be seen this clear and therefore you are starting to see seams, see brushstrokes on matte paintings, etc. scanning these things in a 4k or 8k is going to start taking away from the experince when you watch them as you are now going to see things that you never saw before. Movies are no different. Look at Back to the Future - many of the effects there are looking less than stellar since you now see things much clearer than was planned



doesn't look nearly as convincing now as it did 20 years ago. As "better" formats come along, a lot of these movies and shows are going to start looking worse and worse.

Heh. I saw the transparency in that BTTF shot back in the VHS days. I think the movie would scrub up just fine in 4K.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Interesting….but confusing . So your future forecasts are more accurate than your knowledge of past events?
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post7361454

I would have thought that the crystal ball thing would be much more difficult.

yes 4K looks good but noway am i gonna convert to 4K and use thousands of dollars when blurays already look stunning on a big projector screen

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by mredman

yes 4K looks good but noway am i gonna convert to 4K and use thousands of dollars when blurays already look stunning on a big projector screen

I'll second that & at my age (52) Well lets say I don't need better if it gets here anytime soon. Looks great to me as it is now

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I'll second that & at my age (52) Well lets say I don't need better if it gets here anytime soon. Looks great to me as it is now

I predict you’ll purchase at least one 4K display (and like it ) before you croak.
If I turn out to be wrong, have your estate PM me.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I predict you’ll purchase at least one 4K display (and like it ) before you croak.
If I turn out to be wrong, have your estate PM me.

All though you may not know this ~ For the paste 5+ years I have really enjoyed reading what you have to say & how you say it Penton-Man

You never know with me because your prediction might just come true

[Eddie501]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

Movies are no different. Look at Back to the Future - many of the effects there are looking less than stellar since you now see things much clearer than was planned



doesn't look nearly as convincing now as it did 20 years ago. As "better" formats come along, a lot of these movies and shows are going to start looking worse and worse.

Movies are VERY different. While old TV shows probably never had the expectation of much more detail being seen, movies were shot to be projected on huge screens on 35mm film. So if anything, we're getting less resolution today than when they were shown in theaters.

I think the dated effects have much more to do with the fact that it was 1985.

[Cevolution]

Saying you're never going upgrade or that you don't see the point in 4K etc, essentially puts you in the same category as those who said the same about upgrading from DVD to blu-ray, which many of you would have ridiculed those people for saying such comments at some point

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Saying you're never going upgrade or that you don't see the point in 4K etc, essentially puts you in the same category as those who said the same about upgrading from DVD to blu-ray, which many of you would have ridiculed those people for saying such comments at some point

Agreed.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Eddie501

I think the dated effects have much more to do with the fact that it was 1985.

Looks like a typical green screen overlay (chroma key for video) of the actors.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Saying you're never going upgrade or that you don't see the point in 4K etc, essentially puts you in the same category as those who said the same about upgrading from DVD to blu-ray..

Same can be said for many of the LaserDisc fans. Many said they were not going to replace their LD with DVD.

I remember that I got to see DVD in action at one of the areas where "test sales" had commenced. Took all of about 30 seconds to decide that "I got to have one of these". Paid about $1K for my Sony player right after the national roll out.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Same can be said for many of the LaserDisc fans. Many said they were not going to replace their LD with DVD.

I remember that I got to see DVD in action at one of the areas where "test sales" had commenced. Took all of about 30 seconds to decide that "I got to have one of these". Paid about $1K for my Sony player right after the national roll out.

I think, as soon as some of us see true 4k on disc in our homes, we will be convinced. It will be that childlike wonder followed by the need to have more of the same. That was how I felt with bluray after my first experience (Apocalypto). It looked gorgeous and it still does.
Of course, it then got me thinking that I should upgrade some of my faves. Brave heart, The Shining, Exorcist ( great transfer) and American Werewolf In London (finally those moor scenes didn't break up into a swelling, compressed mess) I imagine I will follow the same route with 4k. However, I will always cherish and re-watch my regular blurays.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Eddie501

Movies are VERY different. While old TV shows probably never had the expectation of much more detail being seen, movies were shot to be projected on huge screens on 35mm film. So if anything, we're getting less resolution today than when they were shown in theaters.

I think the dated effects have much more to do with the fact that it was 1985.

I know what you mean but don't forget, they may have been meant for a big screen but that doesn't mean it was meant to be seen so clearly. seeing a movie from a 35mm projector and seeing a movie from a modern digital projector are 2 different things - the 35mm projectors are not going to be as clear in a lot of cases. as well, not every theatre was state of the art and a lot had older equipment that meant you were not seeing it as clearly as possible. and then there are issues with the prints not being the best quality either. it isn't uncommon today to hear that you are seeing movies in better condition and quality on bluray than when they were in the theatre. a lot of effects were done knowing that while it was going to be on the big screen, people were not going to be able to pick out the details and you could get away with things.

and yes, that shot always looked bad but at least with vhs, it didn't look that bad. now it really stands out.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

I know what you mean but don't forget, they may have been meant for a big screen but that doesn't mean it was meant to be seen so clearly. seeing a movie from a 35mm projector and seeing a movie from a modern digital projector are 2 different things - the 35mm projectors are not going to be as clear in a lot of cases. as well, not every theatre was state of the art and a lot had older equipment that meant you were not seeing it as clearly as possible. and then there are issues with the prints not being the best quality either. it isn't uncommon today to hear that you are seeing movies in better condition and quality on bluray than when they were in the theatre. a lot of effects were done knowing that while it was going to be on the big screen, people were not going to be able to pick out the details and you could get away with things.

and yes, that shot always looked bad but at least with vhs, it didn't look that bad. now it really stands out.

Small price to pay for progress imo

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Small price to pay for progress imo

Progress is fine in-and-of itself. But I do agree that some movies probably were never meant to be seen with the level of clarity available now and will be available in the near future.

A lot of people go on and on about "director intent" when it comes to OAR, but nobody ever seems to take this issue into consideration. I'm sure some filmmakers and even television directors, especially back when special effects technology was more crude than what we have today, did things in certain ways knowing that the typical level of clarity in film projection and television sets at the time would help hide the "warts" or at least make them not-so-obvious.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have HDTVs or even necessarily 4K TVs (despite my hesitation towards the latter), but there are issues inherent with certain content at those levels of resolution, and that shouldn't be ignored.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Progress is fine in-and-of itself. But I do agree that some movies probably were never meant to be seen with the level of clarity available now and will be available in the near future.

A lot of people go on and on about "director intent" when it comes to OAR, but nobody ever seems to take this issue into consideration. I'm sure some filmmakers and even television directors, especially back when special effects technology was more crude than what we have today, did things in certain ways knowing that the typical level of clarity in film projection and television sets at the time would help hide the "warts" or at least make them not-so-obvious.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have HDTVs or even necessarily 4K TVs (despite my hesitation towards the latter), but there are issues inherent with certain content at those levels of resolution, and that shouldn't be ignored.

I will ignore it, thanks anyway!

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I will ignore it, thanks anyway!

That's fine, so long as you aren't one of those people who get upset at others for preferring to watch movies in something other than OAR.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I will ignore it, thanks anyway!

but Dynamo brings up a good point. these movies are a product of their time. how is increasing the clarity different than colorizing a black and white film? you can say "the clarity was always there, technology just didn't let us see it" but that arguement can be used as a reason to colorize film - has color been available, wouldn't most of them have used that? a lot of films were made knowing that the image would only be so clear in the theatre so they could get away with things that would look phony if you saw them live. with the new formats, these things become more and more evident and start to ruin the movie or show because now instead of being pulled into that scary scene, you now see the string pulling the door open(if you really want to respect the filmmaker's work, you won't be going in and removing that string)