Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dude, if I lived in PNG, personally, rather than the internet, fast or slow, I’d be spending all my free time diving my butt off - http://www.indopacificimages.com/ind...ain-locations/

But I may be somewhat scuba-biased , as I shot the passes at Rangiroa (in the Tuamotus) and captured it on film with a Bolex 16mm. before many Americans had even heard of the place…..much less dove it.

Diving is great (I got my certification in Port Moresby in 2000 and also did some diving and a lot of snorkling in Madang), but you have to live on the coast. I'm usually in the Highlands at 5000-feet and a four-hour drive to the nearest good diving (Madang), that is if the road is passable. Last time I was in Madang for a conference (and way to busy for diving) a truck carrying construction equipment broke a bridge requiring that I helicopter back to where I live rather than going by road.

[thebluemax]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

I truly believe that blu-ray will be the last major physical media format...

all this 4k/ultra HD/etc etc will be download only...and least that's what seems to be trending...

Anyway the human eye cannot perceive a resolution greater than Blu ray, maybe a very, very slight improvement on a giant screen??

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by thebluemax

Anyway the human eye cannot perceive a resolution greater than Blu ray, maybe a very, very slight improvement on a giant screen??

If you assume visual detail limits at 1 arcminute, then I calculated it is possible to go up to about 1400 lines in a 16:9 format before you have to get too close (closer than THX's recommended 40-degree field-of-vision angle). I'm quite happy with 1080p and a 33-degree angle at about 5-feet from my 40". My wife is more than happy watching it with only a 13-degree angle from the far corner of the living room.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by thebluemax

Anyway the human eye cannot perceive a resolution greater than Blu ray, maybe a very, very slight improvement on a giant screen??

Sigh

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

4K Blu-ray will undoubtedly offer the best visual and audio experience…as it does currently for HD content.

Trying to predict the future again? Last time I checked, the BDA has no BD 4K Specification. Two of the founders of the BDA, Sony and Panasonic favor download rather than disc media. It seems the major studios prefer that method and streaming for content provision as well. Buy a BD today, and its bound to include Utraviolet and digital download included. Seems to me the handwriting is on the wall. Time will tell.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Trying to predict the future again? Last time I checked, the BDA has no BD 4K Specification. Two of the founders of the BDA, Sony and Panasonic favor download rather than disc media. It seems the major studios prefer that method and streaming for content provision as well. Buy a BD today, and its bound to include Utraviolet and digital download included. Seems to me the handwriting is on the wall. Time will tell.

There's no BD 4K specification.......yet. The BDA have been working on it for over a year and an announcement will happen sooner rather than later. http://www.techradar.com/news/video/...closer-1180129

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Trying to predict the future again? Last time I checked, the BDA has no BD 4K Specification. Two of the founders of the BDA, Sony and (1) Panasonic favor download rather than disc media. It seems the major studios prefer that method and streaming for content provision as well. Buy a BD today, and its bound to include Utraviolet(2) and digital download included. Seems to me the handwriting is on the wall. Time will tell.

(1) Source?

(2) Show me a Disney title with UV

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There's no BD 4K specification.......yet. The BDA have been working on it for over a year and an announcement will happen sooner rather than later. http://www.techradar.com/news/video/...closer-1180129

Yes, I saw that. Yet, there is no spec. Meanwhile a format war is brewing in the download 4K market between Redray and Sony.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/1/37...order-4k-video

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

(1) Source?

(2) Show me a Disney title with UV

1) Sony CEO says 4K disc format is unlikely

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/385...ly-but-not-out

2) Disney has digital copy plus.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...al-copy-562021

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Trying to predict the future again? Last time I checked, the BDA has no BD 4K Specification. Two of the founders of the BDA, Sony and Panasonic favor download rather than disc media. It seems the major studios prefer that method and streaming for content provision as well. Buy a BD today, and its bound to include Utraviolet and digital download included. Seems to me the handwriting is on the wall. Time will tell.

I don't think the Ultraviolet and digital mean as much as you think. First, I think Ultraviolet is pretty much a US only thing - I don't think it works here in Canada, or at least I know it didn't before. As well, a lot also come with a dvd version. they are simply trying to sell it as a bonus and cover as many bases as possible. it's like all these stores selling movies with their exclusive bonus disc that has 15 minutes of stuff on it - it is an excuse to charge more. until they drop the price of downloads, they are never going to be a major factor - spend $25 on a disc with bonus stuff or $20-25 for just the movie via download

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

1) Sony CEO says 4K disc format is unlikely

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/385...ly-but-not-out

2) Disney has digital copy plus.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...al-copy-562021

That is all BS. Does not prove a thing about your statement regarding Panasonic. And that Sony link is 10 months old

Disney does not have a single title that includes UV, not one.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

I don't think the Ultraviolet and digital mean as much as you think.

When one looks at the number of devices capable of streaming (STBs, smart TVs, iPads, PCs, etc.) the numbers for EST number are pathetic. It is a growing market but the revenue is very small compared to physical on a ratio of capable devices. Last time I checked Apple had the largest chunk of the EST market.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

When one looks at the number of devices capable of streaming (STBs, smart TVs, iPads, PCs, etc.) the numbers for EST number are pathetic. It is a growing market but the revenue is very small compared to physical on a ratio of capable devices. Last time I checked Apple had the largest chunk of the EST market.

for sure. even if a device is capable, it doesn't mean people will use it - if your movie can't run smoothly without having buffereing issues, then what's the use? it is growing but other technologies need to keep up in order to make it work. remember, mp3 were created in the late 1970's but technology wasn't where it needed to be in order to make it useful.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

1) Sony CEO says 4K disc format is unlikely

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/385...ly-but-not-out

Sounds like Hirai was playing dumb to me. If he'd said "Yes, of course there will be a 4K disc format" who in their right mind would've gone out and bought the Sony 4K media player a few months later? He even said "But at this point, before we get into that sort of format, we’re looking for distribution through the network”, so, now that the cake tin is installed in homes and a consumer base has been ensnared, they can start to look at 4K BD which the BDA has been working on for a year.

As for not having the spec yet, do you want it now or do you want it good? Actually, that question doesn't really apply to you specifically because you've made it clear that you'll happily dance on the grave of physical media, you heathen you.

And the Redray sure sounds neat, but let's see if they can get any majors on board instead of the inevitable line-up of few indie movies and some clips.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by thebluemax

Anyway the human eye cannot perceive a resolution greater than Blu ray, maybe a very, very slight improvement on a giant screen??

You show some potential for becoming a cnet video reporter writing articles displaying a superficial knowledge of vision science.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Trying to predict the future again?...

Not really, for that go here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ly#post8208948

I was simply stating a fact as to the inherent practical superiority (video and audio) of consumer physical media over content delivery by streaming, which is applicable to both HD and 4K. As for the future though, I will predict that I will be in heaven sometime in the next 10 – 30 years. The only question in my mind is that along with my parents, relatives, friends, etc., will my dogs be waiting at the pearly gates for me.

[raygendreau]

Get ready for the PS4 4K download capable intro in about a month.

"Even still, Molyneux was bullish about the future of online delivery for 4K — he said that he's personally heading up the download service project, and added that while he was "not discounting" physical 4K distribution on Blu-ray or other media, "the whole world is moving more and more to download." Asked about the potential for 4K on Blu-ray discs, he noted that "there has been some progress" on a new industry standard, "but there's no conclusion, and I have to let that forum do their work."

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/28/40...plus-downloads

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Get ready for the PS4 4K download capable intro in about a month.

"Even still, Molyneux was bullish about the future of online delivery for 4K — he said that he's personally heading up the download service project, and added that while he was "not discounting" physical 4K distribution on Blu-ray or other media, "the whole world is moving more and more to download." Asked about the potential for 4K on Blu-ray discs, he noted that "there has been some progress" on a new industry standard, "but there's no conclusion, and I have to let that forum do their work."

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/28/40...plus-downloads

Fat lot of good that will be to people on poor/intermittently faulty broadband. Let's see those shiny discs.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Not really, for that go here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ly#post8208948

I was simply stating a fact as to the inherent practical superiority (video and audio) of consumer physical media over content delivery by streaming, which is applicable to both HD and 4K. As for the future though, I will predict that I will be in heaven sometime in the next 10 – 30 years. The only question in my mind is that along with my parents, relatives, friends, etc., will my dogs be waiting at the pearly gates for me.

Its all bits and bytes whether it is on an optical disc or downloaded overnight from Sony's 4K site. Are you saying that the quality off the hard drive will be inferior to quality off the disc? The disc that doesn't exist based on the spec that doesn't exist? Some early adopters have reported downloads to the Sony Media Server in a matter of minutes.( He had a 150 Mbps connection speed.) Others have reported downloads of about 2 hours. Gamer's have been dealing with this for years. Buy a BD from Amazon. The fastest your going to get it is next day, so what's the difference. And of course there will be no issues with missing or torn slipcovers, broken cases, loose disks, etc. etc. which some people go on about for hours on some of the threads found on this forum.

I haven't seen 4K streaming yet, so I can't comment on it. The service from Sony is download only, not streaming.

I have seen the Sony 4K demo at Best Buy and I was very impressed with the color palette. I probably wouldn't buy into 4K for increased resolution alone, but I will for the spectacular color.

[cricepng]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Its all bits and bytes whether it is on an optical disc or downloaded overnight from Sony's 4K site. Are you saying that the quality off the hard drive will be inferior to quality off the disc? The disc that doesn't exist based on the spec that doesn't exist? Some early adopters have reported downloads to the Sony Media Server in a matter of minutes.( He had a 150 Mbps connection speed.) Others have reported downloads of about 2 hours. Gamer's have been dealing with this for years. Buy a BD from Amazon. The fastest your going to get it is next day, so what's the difference. And of course there will be no issues with missing or torn slipcovers, broken cases, loose disks, etc. etc. which some people go on about for hours on some of the threads found on this forum.

I haven't seen 4K streaming yet, so I can't comment on it. The service from Sony is download only, not streaming.

I have seen the Sony 4K demo at Best Buy and I was very impressed with the color palette. I probably wouldn't buy into 4K for increased resolution alone, but I will for the spectacular color.

The bits are potentially different in that a physical disc wouldn't require as much data compression. More bits should yield a superior visual product.

Sure if you have a fast enough connection you might be able to download a movie in a couple of hours, but in order to take that movie to a friend's house, you then have to take you player. I can easily grab a few discs and just pop them in a friend's BD player without requiring it be linked to my account or having to download again.