Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[mredman]

you compare horseback riding and boat trips to blu ray. That was because it took more time. Blu ray do not take more time to load in fact streaming and downloads does take more time. So that is just beyond stupid to compare evolution in transportation with physical media.

Fact is if there would only be digital or streaming then most people will just obtain them illegally there is noway people are gonna pay for a movie they can only stream or download for 10-20$ when they can get it for free illegally.

That is billions of dollars lost to the movie industri if there is no physical media anymore. Therefore i don't see it happening when the studios make millions from blu rays. Even the article i posted predicted in 2017 the sales for blu ray will increase NOT decrease.

[KRW1]

Actually, in London, UK we often take the boat to meetings and to commute to work. The River Bus is very popular.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by mredman

you compare horseback riding and boat trips to blu ray. That was because it took more time. Blu ray do not take more time to load in fact streaming and downloads does take more time. So that is just beyond stupid to compare evolution in transportation with physical media.

Fact is if there would only be digital or streaming then most people will just obtain them illegally there is noway people are gonna pay for a movie they can only stream or download for 10-20$ when they can get it for free illegally.

That is billions of dollars lost to the movie industri if there is no physical media anymore. Therefore i don't see it happening when the studios make millions from blu rays. Even the article i posted predicted in 2017 the sales for blu ray will increase NOT decrease.

While expected, I see the point flew right by you. Did I say now, or even soon? So you expect our children's children to spin some BDs?

And while at it, why do you feel you need to defend your point so vehemently, I would really love to understand?

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by KRW1

Actually, in London, UK we often take the boat to meetings and to commute to work. The River Bus is very popular.

Funny chap

[mredman]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

While expected, I see the point flew right by you. Did I say now, or even soon? So you expect our children's children to spin some BDs?

And while at it, why do you feel you need to defend your point so vehemently, I would really love to understand?

i could ask the same to you.Why do you want to defend your moot point so vehemently

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by mredman

i could ask the same to you.Why do you want to defend your moot point so vehemently

For the simple point that while they make $ with BDs or anything else on disc for that matter, imagine how much more they'd make if they implemented a secure encrypted dd system. Oh yeah, you don't want to hear about DRM also I guess? And that my friend is the problem.

Now what's your answer?

Edit: and one post is not defending vehemently, now it is.
Edit 2: By the way, why did you feel pointed out?

[mredman]

If you really think people are gonna buy things with DRM then you got another thing coming. So it works on only some devices or the file can only be seen or opened a handful of times then it can't be seen anymore the only thing you can do is throw it away.
Yeah people would certainly love such a restriction over a blu ray you can watch everywhere or see as many times you want

And there will also always be people that crack a Code so they can be downloaded illegally on the internet. It has always been that way and that will not change.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

While expected, I see the point flew right by you. Did I say now, or even soon? So you expect our children's children to spin some BDs?

BD's maybe not but there is a good chance it would be some physical media if they choose to use it.

I am sure someone of my parents age could have said 40 years ago when tapes and 8-track were relatively new "do you expect your children's children to be spinning records", and records still exist today and a few weeks ago my nephew (on record day) bought his first one and took one of our record player.

[bobbydrugar]

If you buy Blu-ray disks then you have bought something with DRM My friend. What do you think things like HDCP are for?

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[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

For the simple point that while they make $ with BDs or anything else on disc for that matter, imagine how much more they'd make if they implemented a secure encrypted dd system. Oh yeah, you don't want to hear about DRM also I guess? And that my friend is the problem.

Now what's your answer?

Edit: and one post is not defending vehemently, now it is.
Edit 2: By the way, why did you feel pointed out?

they would make a lot less

1) DRM is mostly useless. Haven't you ever heard of films appearing on torrent sites before they even make it on screen on theatres? How do you think that happens? do you think the guy had a time machine, went to the future got the BD/DVD and brought the copy back?

2) digital DRM is always easier to crack then physical DRM, using packet sniffers and stuff

3) You are forgetting the obvious. A collector paying 70$ for a limited edition BD of a film (or even 50 or 30 or 20 or 10 or even 5) brings in a lot of money someone renting a film (for example Netflix) does not.

To make it simple , if someone spends 1000$ a year (and that is very little for a collector- I would guess I spend over 4K a year on films and I don't have no where near the collection as some do) because they buy the physical media but he changes to 100$ a year (12*8$) since he does not own digital media so might as well rent they need to stop a lot more than 10 people from pirating.

So if anyone is not stupid the cost is not worth the result even if you could stop all pirated copies.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just curious, why are the streaming enthusiast here trying to convince people they should switch to streaming and it is the way of the future.

Im not a streaming enthusiast. I acknowlege that physical media is declining in popularity whether I like it or not. That makes me a realist.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vargo

Im not a streaming enthusiast. I acknowlege that physical media is declining in popularity whether I like it or not. That makes me a realist.

Blu-ray Disc is not declining. Dvd yes.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Blu-ray Disc is not declining. Dvd yes.

Correct. Overall the increase in Bluray does not offset the decline in DVD. So total physical media revenue goes down every year.

Also I refer to all physical media. CDs, movies, games, books. They are all moving towards digital delivery accounting for the vast majority of revenue (or any other relevant metric), albeit each one at different speeds and stages. It is an inevitable and irreversible trend.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vargo

Correct. Overall the increase in Bluray does not offset the decline in DVD. So total physical media revenue goes down every year.

Also I refer to all physical media. CDs, movies, games, books. They are all moving towards digital delivery accounting for the vast majority of revenue (or any other relevant metric), albeit each one at different speeds and stages. It is an inevitable and irreversible trend.

Books? Never! games? Long time.

Books will always exist In hard copy.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Total revenue from home entertainment has been in a slide for several years. Highly doubtful non physical revenue + physical revenue will be what the total was '04.

[Elandyll]

At one point I seriously thought we would see for a while Blu-Ray completely replace (or even only "mostly" replace) the DVD format.
But since about 2 years back, the publisher support has wanned (TV series in particular), and, worse, what I thought would be a given, hardware makers are -still- making HDMI DVD players which means that there are still many people buying a HDMI up-convert DVD playback $30 pos.

Sony -and- Panasonic, main backers of the Bu-Ray format are even guilty of that! (but someone else would sell those players if they didn't I guess, as long as they can't ALL agree that there's no reason to sell HDMI DVD players anymore. Damned if you do ...).

Lastly, the place where I have bought most of my retail (as opposed to Amazon) Blu-Rays has compeltely shifted their poitn of sell.

Blu-Ray used to increase in size, and DVD shrinking. They just re-did the shelves, and it now is a mess. In order to make place for Phones and Tablets (The gaming section, though a new gen is coming, is not growing, they are just shifting things around and it basically remains the same size), and now the place is a complete mess. Bu-Rays and DVDs are mixed for the most part, and new releases aren't always in if they are not familly / AAA types (Couldn't find the latest J. Carpenter releases for example). The overall DVD/ BR shelf size has shrunk by about a 1/3rd, if not more.

At this point it looks ike Blu-Ray will continue to live alongside DVD, perhaps stabilizing at 50% or so, and they will eventually shrink down together until they are both for die hard fans of physical media only.
I expect that eventually only online retailers like Amazon will carry these, while Taget and co will sell gift cards, and the latest high tech stuff in mobile.

It's making me quite sad in a way

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Total revenue from home entertainment has been in a slide for several years. Highly doubtful non physical revenue + physical revenue will be what the total was '04.

Good point. The thing I think people forget is that DVD was the first format where the product was priced to entice people to purchase over renting.

A lot of consumers started buying titles they wouldn't normally buy. Like any other industries there are peaks and valleys. The home video industry got caught up in the idea that the business could keep growing. The reality is no industry can sustain like year after year.

So yes, physical media is down but it still generates a lot of revenue for the studios that count on it.

I don't see consumers getting over excited about having a title in their digital lockers. Studios are starting to realize that selling these are not going make up the difference and most consumers don't put that much value in them. I think the most they can ever charge for them is $14.99 and that is pushing it even for hotly demanded new releases. The reality is that most consumers won't pay over $10 and for old catalog titles I highly doubt these are selling at all especially considering the limited market for catalog releases.

[camper]

People still buy CD's. My local Super Walmart even sells records. Yes, records.

I do not anticipate physical media will go away. Yes, I stream----big-time--but mainly TV shows and movies I never intended to purchase ever.

Could streaming & downloading eventually replace physical media? Of course, because in the future anything is possible. However, remember that the kindle never replaced books and likely never will, nor have MP3s replaced CD's.

Certain things are consumed in a disposable manner, some things are not. Some things are better suited to a more 'instant gratification' method of distribution (music for example) others not.

And even if streaming/downloading becomes the norm, there will always be physical media to cater to those who are willing to own it.

For example, Season 1 of House of Cards--a Netflix original series--can be purchased on Blu Ray disc from Amazon, right now.

If those who streamed didn't want physical media, why would it be produced?

An electronic distribution method will never fully replace a physical one, unless companies decide they're tired of money and want less of it.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Books? Never! games? Long time.

Books will always exist In hard copy.

I never said they would cease to exist (within our lifetimes). It is impossible to make such definitive statements. Horse-drawn carriages still exist. So of course you cannot say such things. I said they will account for the vast majority of revenue, or units, or transactions or any other metric you care to use. It will become 'the norm'.

Regarding books, Amazon already sell more ebooks than physical books and e-readers are a relatively new product.

In the PC games industry digital delivery has already overtaken discs in unit sales about 3 years ago.

Staying with games, EA made the majority of their revenue from digital sales in Q1 2013 ($378 out of total $495 million).

Pretty much every CD store near me has shut down, and movie stores are following.

How can you look at these trends and not see what is happening?

[bruceames]

The decline is even worse when you account for inflation and the fact that streaming (SVOD) is a questionable category to include in the total home entertainment revenue pie. I think streaming cannibalizes as much or more so from premium cable channels, as it does from optical disc catalog movies and TV shows.

It's going to be tough for the DEG to continue to count streaming as HE revenue, as sports and news programs become available via that medium and it encroaches further on traditional cable viewing.