Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[dib2]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

The will always be a market for collectors who actually like to own movies and not "rights".

You never own the movie. Read the fine print. You have only purchased a license to view the movie but you do not own it.

[dib2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It isn't ridiculous, it is a real threat. Retail stores are stocking less and less optical discs IMO and just last week a major UK store announced it would no longer sell blurays and dvd online. Pretty soon, we will only have Amazon as an option, what happens if they stop selling bluray? I also believe, the rental market will be all streaming in less than five years. Blurays will survive, I hope. The collectors need to stop embracing streaming though, in my opinion. At the moment it is a best of both worlds situation, but what will not be the case in the future.

No. Consider 'Net Neutrality' This will come to an end one day and if your only option is to stream/download then you will be paying a premium for that service. Not just the content provider but also to your ISP (internet service provider) Also keep in mind that there are two real problems with streaming and downloading: 1) The server can get bogged down or crash, 2) You network connection can go down anytime during the movie or download. Why would anyone want to pay tens of thousands of dollars (or more) to have a nice home theater only to have the movie crash during some climatic scene or maybe during a music video. Its kind of like having sex but you suddenly realize you forgot to lock your car so you just get up and leave. No one will enjoy the experience.

I could not care less about collectable packaging and all I want is a blu-ray. I don't want to pay for a limited time viewing of some so called digital download or something. Its a waste of packaging.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by krazeyeyez

I agree optical isn't going anywhere and I'm happy about that. But I have seen the bolded mentioned on here and don't understand where that comes from. Why wod streaming effect illegal piracy in any way?

because see how it has affected the porn business it would be the same way for movies if there were only download and streaming not many would get their movies legally when they can get the same thing illegally.

Blu Rays is different because you OWN the movie and can put it on the shelf not to mention the extras that comes with it. If collectors want to own that movie they buy it on bu ray.

If there was only streaming and download why would even collectors get those movies legally when they can get them illegally.

I say again this thread is just ridiculous. How many threads have you now started on steedel. It almost seem like you want to find trouble and get the streaming trolls here. I mean why when so many here have told you thousands of times. Blu Rays is here to stay. Because collectors like us here will alsways long for physical media

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mredman

because see how it has affected the porn business it would be the same way for movies if there were only download and streaming not many would get their movies legally when they can get the same thing illegally.

Blu Rays is different because you OWN the movie and can put it on the shelf not to mention the extras that comes with it. If collectors want to own that movie they buy it on bu ray.

If there was only streaming and download why would even collectors get those movies legally when they can get them illegally.

I say again this thread is just ridiculous. How many threads have you now started on steedel. It almost seem like you want to find trouble and get the streaming trolls here. I mean why when so many here have told you thousands of times. Blu Rays is here to stay. Because collectors like us here will alsways long for physical media

Because I don't believe them. People are blindly backing streaming IMO, without looking at the long term consequences. I am betting there are quite a few collectors who have caught the convenience bug and won't go back to collecting.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by dib2

no. Consider 'net neutrality' this will come to an end one day and if your only option is to stream/download then you will be paying a premium for that service. Not just the content provider but also to your isp (internet service provider) also keep in mind that there are two real problems with streaming and downloading: 1) the server can get bogged down or crash, 2) you network connection can go down anytime during the movie or download. Why would anyone want to pay tens of thousands of dollars (or more) to have a nice home theater only to have the movie crash during some climatic scene or maybe during a music video. Its kind of like having sex but you suddenly realize you forgot to lock your car so you just get up and leave. No one will enjoy the experience.

i could not care less about collectable packaging and all i want is a blu-ray. I don't want to pay for a limited time viewing of some so called digital download or something. Its a waste of packaging.

^^^^^ this

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Because I don't believe them. People are blindly backing streaming IMO, without looking at the long term consequences. I am betting there are quite a few collectors who have caught the convenience bug and won't go back to collecting.

Well then we can't help you and all those threads you start here about this was actually for nothing because you don't believe any of us anyway

[David M]

Optical media losing the war?
Television losing the war?
Video on demand losing the war?
Cable TV movie channels losing the war?
Legal ways of watching movies losing the war?

Or maybe just "another way to watch films". Why does the press have to turn everything into a "war"?

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by dib2

You never own the movie. Read the fine print. You have only purchased a license to view the movie but you do not own it.

Well what else am I going to do with it?

It doesn't matter what the fine print says - when I own the disc I can watch what's on it, whenever I want.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by dib2

You never own the movie.

Nothing new here, been that way for a long time with music and movies.

But you do own the physical media the content resides on to do with as you wish, i.e., view as much as you wish, sell, rent, chop-up, etc. There are some restrictions, like no public performance for profit. Same can not be said for licensed content (non physical).

[I KEEL YOU]

Obviously most people here will prefer physical media. Another reason I like physical media (especially with smaller titles) is because you don't have to be worried about it being taken off the servers due to low popularity, etc. Or if a movie switches rights between studios, then it might be taken down for a while before they reach an agreement, stuff like that. With physical media, once you have it, you have it as long as you want, and you can watch it any time you please and as many times as you want, and all you have to do is take care of the disc. And for now at least, because you can watch movies in significantly better quality.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

or how I stopped worrying and learned to love the red bomb.

That image ^ from 2007 on the first page brings back memories and it’s interesting to see how easily people engage in apocalyptic theory (worry/reassurance/worry/reassurance, etc.), year after year, page after page.

[img eL]

4, 5, 6, 7 years after the so called death of optical media I'm seeing a lot of Blu ray commercials on Television

[LegacyCosts]

The other day at the store I work for a young woman was looking for in bruges on dvd. I told her we were out but that we had it on blu ray. Her eyes lit up and she stated that "I am not that fancy I have never even watched one." This came from a woman in her early 20s who was obviously into film (judging from the conversation we had earlier.) People's perceptions of blu rays/the players and what they can do seem to be lost in 2006 still.

Consumers still seem to think they're incredibly expensive and the picture upgrade isn't noticible. At this point I think people are lying to themselves so they don't have to spend money on an upgrade.

Right now Blu Ray is worlds ahead of streaming and DVD but the average consumer chooses to ignore this out of convenience and laziness. It bugs me that people don't care about quality in their products or care about even owning their products.

[KRW1]

People being stuck in 2006 is a common thing. People I work with are now just starting to buy blurays instead of DVD and think they're 'posh' for doing so.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by KRW1

People being stuck in 2006 is a common thing. People I work with are now just starting to buy blurays instead of DVD and think they're 'posh' for doing so.

My dog has more appreciation for quality than most humans lol.

[thecalm_7]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

Right now Blu Ray is worlds ahead of streaming and DVD but the average consumer chooses to ignore this out of convenience and laziness. It bugs me that people don't care about quality in their products or care about even owning their products.

You said it best. I'm 27 and most of the people I work with are older, but the ones that are my age and younger do not have any desire for anything aside from the latest cell phone, clothing, and finally being seen at the "hippest, bombest, coolest, newest, dopest, awsomest club/restaurant/grocery store/market". [there is a emptiness in those adjectives to me, sorry if they are incorrect]

It greatly saddens me that people shove their faces into a cellphone and watch 30 second "hilarious" videos all damn day, but don't know anything of the world. IF they want a car, they don't want power, reliability, or fun, they want it to be super fuel efficient, no maintenance needed and they want it to tweet. Movies streaming over 3g service all blocky looking is cool to them too.

I was told by a male coworker that I was ruining the environment with my physical possessions, namely the plastic that blu-rays are made with. He does not drive a hybrid, but a rickety old cavalier but has 2 iphones a 5c and a 5s.

Videogames on facebook/phone are the only thing the younger worker use. PS3 gaming online with coworkers is me being the youngest. although I do get invites to play games in cell format.

People want the here and now in their phones and nothing more it seems.

Lets try to hang on and support the industries we love, but lets do better than this new breed.

[dobyblue]

Q1/13 statistics from DEG show that over 61 million US homes have at least one Blu-ray playback device, that's around 53% of homes.

Correct me if I'm wrong with press releases, but I'm pretty sure Blu-ray hit the "100,000 sold" and "1,000,000 sold" title marks in less time from format launch than DVD did despite the latter not being embroiled in a format war and despite the million mark for DVD being aided by a 9 week exclusive window launch before the title hit VHS (that was Warner's "The Matrix")

I'd say it took off pretty good?

[mredman]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Q1/13 statistics from DEG show that over 61 million US homes have at least one Blu-ray playback device, that's around 53% of homes.

Correct me if I'm wrong with press releases, but I'm pretty sure Blu-ray hit the "100,000 sold" and "1,000,000 sold" title marks in less time from format launch than DVD did despite the latter not being embroiled in a format war and despite the million mark for DVD being aided by a 9 week exclusive window launch before the title hit VHS (that was Warner's "The Matrix")

I'd say it took off pretty good?

Blu Ray is selling like hot cakes all over the world in NFL commercials they show a ton of new blu ray releases. They don't even say DVD or show the DVD anymore. The announcer says "own it on blu ray today" and show the blu ray case this was for MoS,Pacific Rim

And Jay Leno also only says Blu Ray now he never says DVD anymore either when he want to advertise a new movie release

[LegacyCosts]

I am glad it sells well and blu rays still have commercials, I was just stating how suprising it is to me that the average folk doesn't care about having good quality when viewing a film or show.

One would be suprised how many people I know who don't use their blu ray players which they own outside of a few red box rentals. Quality in the sound industry (My Samsung galaxy's speakers R DA BEST with this low quality stream!), films (netflix OMGZZZZZ so good for blocky breaking bad!) a show with beautiful shots and setting should not be viewed on netflix) or cars as stated earlier (I made 400 dollar payments for a car that looks like a plastic box). I'm 27 and I feel old.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

I am glad it sells well and blu rays still have commercials, I was just stating how suprising it is to me that the average folk doesn't care about having good quality when viewing a film or show.

One would be suprised how many people I know who don't use their blu ray players which they own outside of a few red box rentals. Quality in the sound industry (My Samsung galaxy's speakers R DA BEST with this low quality stream!), films (netflix OMGZZZZZ so good for blocky breaking bad!) a show with beautiful shots and setting should not be viewed on netflix) or cars as stated earlier (I made 400 dollar payments for a car that looks like a plastic box). I'm 27 and I feel old.

I'm not surprised about convenience winning out. I am surprised about how low the bar is for audio though. Considering how music CAN sound, many of the younger generation will never experience that. To me, that is tragic. 128 Kbps is horrific yet the young ones don't seem to notice. My nephew was playing songs on his latest music service on his smartphone. I noticed the sound kept getting louder and then quieter every few seconds. Hideous, but he didn't even realise until I pointed out.

We have lost the battle I'm afraid. The next generation coming through have no appreciation of quality and I fear that the bar will just go lower and lower. Maybe 56 Kbps? The same applies with movies, I have been laughed at for this prediction but I think the future (say fifteen to twenty years from now will be people watching movies on their two inch smartwatches.) tablets, laptops and TVs all long dead as movie/tv watching devices.