Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[SidneyFalco]

Originally Posted by mredman

our internet went down every minute a couple of days ago because of a massive storm. We could not see anything on netflix. You know what we did we put on a blu ray

Another one of the big reasons there will never be only streaming/downloading

But digital downloads, where you physically download a copy on a hard drive at home, will become the norm. Blu-ray (or whatever future format) may still exist, but movies will go the way of the music industry, and I for one can't wait.

[Tok]

That's f'd up. I have over 500 BDs. I don't want to store 500 HD movies on a hard drive. Plus if the drive(s) fail you are up shit creek with time and effort to re-access content.

No thanks aka f that noise.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SidneyFalco

But digital downloads, where you physically download a copy on a hard drive at home, will become the norm. Blu-ray (or whatever future format) may still exist, but movies will go the way of the music industry, and I for one can't wait.

Movies will indeed go the way of the music industry. A few good years of decent download sales,then sales starting to drop. Digital sales are down for the first time I understand. I need my discs in my cabinets. No disc no sell. Bye bye collecting.
I am stunned that somebody with over 1,000 discs can't see the danger in streaming winning out. Streaming does not represent high quality, it represents convenience. Smartphones, tablets etc..
Things will, IMO, go rapidly downhill when we can't collect 1080p (genuine) quality.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tok

That's f'd up. I have over 500 BDs. I don't want to store 500 HD movies on a hard drive. Plus if the drive(s) fail you are up shit creek with time and effort to re-access content.

No thanks aka f that noise.

Agreed. I want them discs on display. Yeah baby

[mredman]

Originally Posted by SidneyFalco

But digital downloads, where you physically download a copy on a hard drive at home, will become the norm. Blu-ray (or whatever future format) may still exist, but movies will go the way of the music industry, and I for one can't wait.

You can't wait for your harddrive to go down and lose every movie on it. Is it that what you are saying

Oh and if its going that way blu ray and physical media will exist because there is always people that want physical media to collect. ALL labels still release CD's for all their artists. What makes you think that will not be the case with movies to.

Bottomline the studios can not charge 15-20 dollars for a download that they now can with a blu ray and physical media. And they can say goodbye to big sales up to 127 million dollars on black friday weekend and big sales up to 153 million on the christmas shopping weeks.

Oh and then you can say goodbye to all the big blockbusters like Avengers, Batman, Superman ect.. Then it will be "Coming this summer don't miss this years biggest even "The Courthouse" ROTFL because that the only kind of movies they will have the money to make. Because without the income from physical media like blu rays. Hollywood might as well close shop

[bruceames]

Many people who have servers have the movies stored on two drives. Chances of both drives failing at the same time are pretty remote.

But I agree physical media isn't going anywhere and will coexist with digital just like CD and mp3 coexist. There will always be a market for both.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Many people who have servers have the movies stored on two drives. Chances of both drives failing at the same time are pretty remote.

But I agree physical media isn't going anywhere and will coexist with digital just like CD and mp3 coexist. There will always be a market for both.

and your average collector will have redundant backups?

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Many people who have servers have the movies stored on two drives. Chances of both drives failing at the same time are pretty remote.

But I agree physical media isn't going anywhere and will coexist with digital just like CD and mp3 coexist. There will always be a market for both.

The thing to remember is that there is an age factor to all of this. There are a ton of people out there who still don't like computers and downloads so for them, physical media is all there is. We are starting to develop a generation who know pretty much only the digital style but until those older people are no longer a factor, physical media will need to remain so we are looking anywhere from 20-50 years.

My biggest complaint about downloads and streaming is still the lack of extras for the price. For $8 a month, you don't care if you get the commentary or extras but when the price of a digital download is the same as the price for a physical copy of the movie but there is no commentary or extras on the download, why would I want to spend my money there? To me, that is a big thing that is keeping people away from downloads as they can't use the excuse of packaging, shipping, etc to justify the cost.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I never implied there will only be streaming/downloading. These technologies will co-exist, just as cable/satellite and OTA TV co-exist, but something like 80% of U.S. households get their TV reception from satellite/cable.

Giving an example of where a technology fails or has disadvantages means nothing. That's like saying that they'll never get rid of elevator operators because sometimes the electrical controls short out or they'll never get rid of the telegraph because wireless communications sometimes fails.

Generally, consumers do not choose the best technology, they choose the most convenient technology. VHS was more convenient than the superior Beta, but VHS was available from more manufacturers and had more pre-recorded material. Many would contend that analog vinyl has many advantages over CDs, but CDs are definitely more convenient to use and take up less space. Digital downloads are mostly inferior to CDs, due to compression (although high-end downloads can be superior), but many people, especially young people, find digital downloading more convenient that purchasing a CD at retail.

People eat crappy frozen food not because it's better or cheaper, but because it's easier. Etc.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner! This is completely true.

[unsivilaudio]

Originally Posted by Tok

That's f'd up. I have over 500 BDs. I don't want to store 500 HD movies on a hard drive. Plus if the drive(s) fail you are up shit creek with time and effort to re-access content.

No thanks aka f that noise.

You shun it because you haven't experienced it. Hell yes you do want it, you just don't know it yet. On a properly set up media center, it owns anything Netflix or Amazon VOD has to offer (interface-wise; personally I use Plex). Hopefully in the future [the cost of] hard drive space will allow me to rerip all my BD's in uncompressed format (MKV). I can't wait till I have over 500+ BD's ripped to my computer.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by unsivilaudio

You shun it because you haven't experienced it. Hell yes you do want it, you just don't know it yet. On a properly set up media center, it owns anything Netflix or Amazon VOD has to offer (interface-wise; personally I use Plex). Hopefully in the future [the cost of] hard drive space will allow me to rerip all my BD's in uncompressed format (MKV). I can't wait till I have over 500+ BD's ripped to my computer.

A good media center (I'm a MediaPortal fan) really is very liberating.

They're not without their issues but the concept is fantastic. I love cases and digibooks and Criterion's artwork as much as anybody but I eventually got to the point with DVD where I couldn't (and didn't really want to) display everything. Important or particularly cool discs stayed out on the shelves but everything else went into binders and then onto hard drives.

I'm not quite there with BDs but I'm getting awfully close.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by unsivilaudio

You shun it because you haven't experienced it. Hell yes you do want it, you just don't know it yet. On a properly set up media center, it owns anything Netflix or Amazon VOD has to offer (interface-wise; personally I use Plex). Hopefully in the future [the cost of] hard drive space will allow me to rerip all my BD's in uncompressed format (MKV). I can't wait till I have over 500+ BD's ripped to my computer.

No I don't want it. I have a HTPC with a Ceton CableCARD and stream to the rest of the TVs in the house from that setup. It's fine for TV but I am not too worried about the HDD with time shifted TV shows. There is no way I want to maintain network storage to accommodate all my movies.

NO I DON"T WANT IT. IF THEY TAKE MY DISCS AWAY THEN SAY GOODBYE TO ME AS A CUSTOMER.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by unsivilaudio

You shun it because you haven't experienced it. Hell yes you do want it, you just don't know it yet. On a properly set up media center, it owns anything Netflix or Amazon VOD has to offer (interface-wise; personally I use Plex). Hopefully in the future [the cost of] hard drive space will allow me to rerip all my BD's in uncompressed format (MKV). I can't wait till I have over 500+ BD's ripped to my computer.

First of all discussing pirating movies and illegal activity is not allowed on the site.

Second MKV is an envelope so if the MKV file is smaller then tan original file, then you are recompressing it and it is not lossless on the other hand if it is lossless the file size will be roughly the same and it does not add anything.


lastly I am with TOK on this (and it is not because I have not experienced it)

- Maybe with the meager excuse of a collection you are discussing it is not much of an issue (especially if it is not lossless as you stated in your post) but I have over 12x the movies you have on BD and so we would be discussing a whole new magnitude of drive space needed.

- I watch my films either in my HT (that is why I built it) or at friends homes neither of which would be helped by a media server, I don't need to stream it to my FR or BR or kitchen or office... or anywhere else in my home, those displays are either for gaming or watching TV not for movies.

- lastly I have had disk based media servers and I have used SW to keep my BD collection and in my experience digital movie selection just can't beat a well organized physical library when it comes to deciding what to watch. What I mean is that if I know what film I want I can get it off the shelf before my projector even has time to warm up, if there are a few people and we decide to watch a film they don't all need to go through the same titles which tends to bring up stupid and useless conversations about films no one is interested in watching but they can all be looking at different parts of the wall and if one of them sees a film they are interested in they will say "what about ____" and the other films hat person went through are immaterial since this guy would have vetoed it so who cares if someone else would have been interested in it.

[Prince Junior]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

- Maybe with the meager excuse of a collection you are discussing it is not much of an issue (especially if it is not lossless as you stated in your post) but I have over 12x the movies you have on BD and so we would be discussing a whole new magnitude of drive space needed.

Woah, woah, woah. It's not the size of your collection, but what you do with it.

[JeffTheMovieGuy]

My friend said my HDTV "Will just be standard for a long time" when I told him I don't really care to bother about 4k, its too expensive for my tastes. Do you really think people are going to really buy into 4k? Especially with 8k on the horizon. All the 4k tv's I have seen have been well over 3,000 and would be an expensive upgrade just to bother with a little more picture clarity.

Blu-rays have done that for me. For some classic movies that I love it almost makes the film seem like it was filmed only yesterday. I don't need to keep up with the Joneses especially when it comes to technology.

I'm keeping my blu-rays and my standard 1080p HDTV. You can keep your digital streaming media and your 4k.

[I KEEL YOU]

Not sure how much of a noob question this is, but will you be able to watch 4K blu rays on an ordinary HD TV? I don't mean as in watch 4K blu rays on ordinary blu ray players on a 1080p TV, but watch 4K blu rays on 4K blu rays on new 4K blu ray players on a 1080p TV - Essentially, will you be able to connect 4K blu ray players via ordinary HDMI to a normal HD TV?

If not, then I'll probably stick to normal blu rays for a while as well because I am sure that the price for 4K TVs won't fall as quickly and drastically as it will for 4K blu ray players.. I remember not long after the blu ray format was released, you could get a blu ray player extremely cheap. However, if this will be possible then I would get a 4K blu ray player just so that I could watch upgrades of blu rays with poor picture quality (mainly Universal and early low bit rate VC-1 HD-DVD Warner movies).

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JeffTheMovieGuy

My friend said my HDTV "Will just be standard for a long time" when I told him I don't really care to bother about 4k, its too expensive for my tastes. Do you really think people are going to really buy into 4k? Especially with 8k on the horizon. All the 4k tv's I have seen have been well over 3,000 and would be an expensive upgrade just to bother with a little more picture clarity.

Blu-rays have done that for me. For some classic movies that I love it almost makes the film seem like it was filmed only yesterday. I don't need to keep up with the Joneses especially when it comes to technology.

I'm keeping my blu-rays and my standard 1080p HDTV. You can keep your digital streaming media and your 4k.

Yes, because those prices will stay the same over the next few years! Come on man, all new tech gets cheaper eventually. I think what is happening generally (not saying this is you) is people can't afford it so try and justify that by offering up negativity. If it's too expensive, fair enough but I bet at least a good percentage of those people would jump at the chance if they had the money.

[Tok]

I can afford it, but it's pretty stupid to spend on it now with no true broadcast support and no physical format.

HDTV sales really took off because SD was being phased out and people flocking to the new flat panel tech. I think a lot of you are overestimating the demand for UHD.

[AmishParadise]

Originally Posted by Tok

I can afford it, but it's pretty stupid to spend on it now with no true broadcast support and no physical format.

HDTV sales really took off because SD was being phased out and people flocking to the new flat panel tech. I think a lot of you are overestimating the demand for UHD.

I concur. I'll say this as well, I don't care if the lastest StupidTV (...oh sorry, SmartTV) upconverts my 1080p content to 16k, not interested. I also only started renting/purchasing Blu-ray's a couple years ago and have invested significant time and money since with respects to the hardware/software I have in place to store, browse and initiate playback and control of a given Blu-ray title. Will be more than content with what the present Blu-ray format can provide for the remainder of this decade at the very least. At most I may at some point purchase a larger primary display in addition to a front projector, but not because it may support 4k, 8k, 3D Blu-ray or whatever else is being pitched to us as consumers. Would be strictly for the larger picture and how well it can natively display 1080p content.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tok

I can afford it, but it's pretty stupid to spend on it now with no true broadcast support and no physical format.

HDTV sales really took off because SD was being phased out and people flocking to the new flat panel tech. I think a lot of you are overestimating the demand for UHD.

4k sets eventually will make current sets obsolete. It's more of a case of people updating their sets in several years rather than everyone rushing out to buy now. Small steps.