Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[koover]

Originally Posted by ry35an

I prefer physical media, but streaming can be acceptable to me also. It depends on what I'm watching. This is blu-ray.com, but not everyone here is as fanatical as others. You don't have to be a person obsessed with owning a "library" (sorry that always makes me chuckle) to enjoy this forum.

Well a library is just a term. It can be a group of films of 100 or 2000. Why so literal?
As for anyone can be on here and enjoy this site, of course they can. But some people on here are just pointing out (like me) that if you like streaming so much and prefer it to BD, why the interest? Anyone can do what they want to do. It's just a little odd to be here if streaming is your thing. That's all man!

[ChipmunksDad]

Originally Posted by CReaper210

The very fact that no digital download or streaming looks as good as blu ray should be enough.

Also, I love being able to just look and see every movie that I own. Especially when it comes to tv shows, a lot of which have very nice and unique packaging which is just special in itself. And knowing that whether some random service over the internet shuts down or not, all my movies will still work, regardless, that is nice.

Problem is, they didn't care when the same thing happened to music.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Living room tvs are getting bigger not smaller. If you walk into a living room twenty years from now and don't see a tv that's probably because there's a short-throw laser projector hidden somewhere.

TVs aren't going anywhere.

Did you read my post in full? The dangers I believe exist and the patterns that could develop?

[ChipmunksDad]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

My Blu-ray player completely broke, SO what did we do all day without any BD player? Streamed movies online...'nuff said.


argument = can go both ways

Go to store. Pick up a new one. Done.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I take it people don't see the same threat I do?

Nope.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Did you read my post in full? The dangers I believe exist and the patterns that could develop?

I've read it in full every time you've posted it.

TV aren't going anywhere.

It's just ain't gonna happen.

When I was a kid a 25 inch display had to be built into dresser sized consoles. I've got a monitor almost that size on my desk right now.

It wasn't that many years ago that anything over 36 inches required huge appliance-sized rear projection. Now 40some inches is the median screen size in the US.

Do my nephews and nieces watch a lot of stuff on 17 inch laptop screens? Sure but so what. When I was their age I used to watch a lot of stuff on a 12 inch black-and-white portable with no ill effects that I can see.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

I've read it in full every time you've posted it.

TV aren't going anywhere.

It's just ain't gonna happen.

When I was a kid a 25 inch display had to be built into dresser sized consoles. I've got a monitor almost that size on my desk right now.

It wasn't that many years ago that anything over 36 inches required huge appliance-sized rear projection. Now 40some inches is the median screen size in the US.

Do my nephews and nieces watch a lot of stuff on 17 inch laptop screens? Sure but so what. When I was their age I used to watch a lot of stuff on a 12 inch black-and-white portable with no ill effects that I can see.

Yes but youngsters are transfixed by these portable devices. They guard them with their lives. That type of attachment isn't going away. Back in the day portable TVs were all they had. Now these devices are very much a part of their lives. I have even talked to a young guy (19 or 20, not sure) who told me he sleeps with phone next to him on his pillow lol.

[grape_jelly]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It's cake, not pie.

I've never cared for cake, far too sweet for my tastes.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by grape_jelly

I've never cared for cake, far too sweet for my tastes.

But pie isnt

Also:

[HarcourtMudd]

Originally Posted by willard0118

Hi,
Just curious. Do you have any problems watching you blu rays without an internet connection? There have been a lot of updates in the past and many had issues with movies not playing.
Thanks.

No problems whatsoever, here. My player is not (and never will be) hooked up to the internet...

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by octagon

I've read it in full every time you've posted it.

TV aren't going anywhere.

It's just ain't gonna happen.

When I was a kid a 25 inch display had to be built into dresser sized consoles. I've got a monitor almost that size on my desk right now.

Last time I was at the local neighborhood Apple store, I saw the new 27" iMac--which literally wouldn't fit on my desk at home--and said "I remember when COLOR TV'S were 27"!...The expensive ones! "

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I take it people don't see the same threat I do?

Umnnnn, not really, uh-uh ...I still don't for the life of me know WHY you, or the rest of the industry, still, stubbornly and to the last standing man, insists on applying the music/MP3 model as a pattern to "what's going to happen" to movies and TV, unless they've ever walked down Main Street with their eyes glued to a Game of Thrones rerun. I've never done that, have you? Stand up and tell the class the last time you did.
Music is portable and movies aren't (unlike audio, you generally have to be sitting down in one place, even a portable place, and not looking at anything else to enjoy them), and that's been the one rather fundamental "Why boys and girls are different" niggling fact about trying to apply one industry sales model to the other: You can argue theory all you like, but when it comes down to real-world scenarios...

[#Darren]

Can you imagine in the future your politicians dream of, getting access to great films of yesteryear?

Taken - quietly removed from circulation - shows muslims in a bad light. A similar film, "Spartan," already seems to be a no no for US release.

Any films about the American revolution - hard to get - don't want to encourage dissent.

1984 - that's gotta go - don't want people making the comparison....

ALL gay slurs censored from films.

etc etc.

MAYBE a good idea to keep physical copies...

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Last time I was at the local neighborhood Apple store, I saw the new 27" iMac--which literally wouldn't fit on my desk at home--and said "I remember when COLOR TV'S were 27"!...The expensive ones! "



Umnnnn, not really, uh-uh ...I still don't for the life of me know WHY you, or the rest of the industry, still, stubbornly and to the last standing man, insists on applying the music/MP3 model as a pattern to "what's going to happen" to movies and TV, unless they've ever walked down Main Street with their eyes glued to a Game of Thrones rerun. I've never done that, have you? Stand up and tell the class the last time you did.
Music is portable and movies aren't (unlike audio, you generally have to be sitting down in one place, even a portable place, and not looking at anything else to enjoy them), and that's been the one rather fundamental "Why boys and girls are different" nigglin fact about trying to apply one industry sales model to the other: You can argue theory all you like, but when it comes down to real-world scenarios...

That's besides the point. I am talking about use of mobiles in ALL case scenarios. In bed, on sofa, outside, in bathroom, in car etc..

[koover]

Originally Posted by #Darren

Can you imagine in the future your politicians dream of, getting access to great films of yesteryear?

Taken - quietly removed from circulation - shows muslims in a bad light. A similar film, "Spartan," already seems to be a no no for US release.

Any films about the American revolution - hard to get - don't want to encourage dissent.

1984 - that's gotta go - don't want people making the comparison....

ALL gay slurs censored from films.

etc etc.



MAYBE a good idea to keep physical copies...

Interesting theory that could happen.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by HarcourtMudd

My 19 year old CLD-95 is still running strong (never needed service), as is my HD805 (XA2). For me, the difference between streaming and physical media is where the ownership of the movie actually lies. Streaming is much like the old DIVX (the Circuit City one), in that even if a film is purchased (I think CC called it "Silver"), ultimately the ability to access it resided on a remote server. Anything from a downed server to overzealous PC censorship could then potentially curb "ownership." In the case of physical media, there is absolutely no question as to who owns the content (none of this "you are leasing the right to watch the movie, not the movie itself" stuff), and the studio is completely removed from the equation. Aside from copyright violations (i.e. illegal distribution), once I hand over my credit card the physical disc is mine... plastic, aluminum, AND CONTENT. All of this "leasing" nonsense implies that the content owner could potentially show up at my doorstep and require me to return the disc... which I would give real money to see them try. That being said, IMO streaming is a great way to rent content, but a poor way to build a library for collectors. When (if) physical media is completely displaced is the end of the line for me (I will redirect my funds to other aspects of this hobby).

Very nicely said, and the part I highlighted perfectly sums it all up nicely. Streaming is a great replacement for "renting", but a very poor substitute for building a library.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by OneWayFilms

No offense, but the name of this site is BLURAY.com That is a PHYSICAL form of media.

Why do we need a single thread devoted to PHYSICAL MEDIA when this whole FORUM is devoted to physical media, with only a thread or two allowed for streaming?

I'm not a hater, but the purpose of this thread escapes me.

It's called discussion. There's plenty of times blu-rays lately have dropped extras that are then only available through itunes, so it's perfectly reasonable that streaming is brought up fairly regularly on this site. So what's wrong with having a discussion about streaming, especially when it is threatening to hurt blu-ray, or affect the extras we are used to getting?

[Jett Rink]

Originally Posted by koover

Interesting theory that could happen.

Netflix is already doing it. A show I was watching the other day had a song switched out for another song. Was it because of censorship or a licensing agreement? Who knows.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by koover

Interesting theory that could happen.

Already happened to some degree.

Minder - a cult UK TV Series - original AUS dvd release uncensored - later UK releases censored for PC issues.

I'm sure there are other examples too.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by HarcourtMudd

My 19 year old CLD-95 is still running strong (never needed service), as is my HD805 (XA2). For me, the difference between streaming and physical media is where the ownership of the movie actually lies. Streaming is much like the old DIVX (the Circuit City one), in that even if a film is purchased (I think CC called it "Silver"), ultimately the ability to access it resided on a remote server. Anything from a downed server to overzealous PC censorship could then potentially curb "ownership." In the case of physical media, there is absolutely no question as to who owns the content (none of this "you are leasing the right to watch the movie, not the movie itself" stuff), and the studio is completely removed from the equation. Aside from copyright violations (i.e. illegal distribution), once I hand over my credit card the physical disc is mine... plastic, aluminum, AND CONTENT. All of this "leasing" nonsense implies that the content owner could potentially show up at my doorstep and require me to return the disc... which I would give real money to see them try. That being said, IMO streaming is a great way to rent content, but a poor way to build a library for collectors. When (if) physical media is completely displaced is the end of the line for me (I will redirect my funds to other aspects of this hobby).

HarcourtMudd, you good-for-no....well, actually, you do make the key point (and besides the one about being better for ephemeral rentals):
Studios don't WANT to be "removed" from the equation--Up until the invention of the VCR, in the days of theaters, broadcast-TV and HBO, they were the equation, and even then, they tried to kill the upstart that would, quote, "steal" their business. In every format war, the one option that has had the studio's blessing--DiVX, HDDVD, 24-hr. disks, PPV cable--still has the movie tied to the studio's apron strings, and requiring audiences to come to mommy for it...Usually at a pay-per-rental rate.
Why are studios selling you streaming? Because it's easier! Because it's less work than a messy old disk collection! Because it's more innovative, with your tablet and cellphone! Because you want the latest hits (and not a well-stocked classic catalogue)! Because you probably WORRY that you can't take your collection with you!
Uh, they sure seem to know a lot about how I "think". But it also sounds like they still don't want to lose a good thing for their own licensing department.as

(But let's be honest: There's one reason why the whole "Streaming will kill disks!" argument is evil. It's the same reason as always for ANYTHING evil: It's Microsoft's fault.
If Toshiba and HDDVD had won the Format War, Microsoft would have gotten the monopoly not only on all disk coding, but also on streaming coding, ie. pretty much all commercial movie coding everywhere. And when Blu-ray won, MS was determined that just because Blu-disks had won the battle didn't mean that they would win the war...The disk industry could still suffer an unfortunate accident with the fans.)

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by octagon

Living room tvs are getting bigger not smaller. If you walk into a living room twenty years from now and don't see a tv that's probably because there's a short-throw laser projector hidden somewhere.

TVs aren't going anywhere.

Agreed. People are too hooked on their tv shows to give up tv. True, many young people these days watch films and clips and junk on their tablets/phones, but I think most moms/dads still try to incorporate "family time" in the evenings, meaning bringing the family together, and watching tv is a great way to do that. As teens get older they may hate the idea of "family time" as they want to get more independent, but I think most families with younger kids expect them to spend some time with them during the week, and there are tons of people who have favorite tv shows they follow weekly. I don't see the family tv going anywhere.