Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[mredman]

horseshit. Blu Ray revenue continues to rise. Look at black friday sales, holiday week days, big blockbuster movies like Hunger Games,Frozen ect.. selling amazingly on blu ray. Then there is this:

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13862

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13868

all disc sales up for the week:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/mar...k-ended-041914

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by mredman

THIS! they have been singing this same song since 2009. Yet Blu Ray has increased just look at the sales on black friday last year and christmas weeks. They were recordbreaking sales

So Sony is all doom and gloom and taking a Y25 billion hit because why? Sales are so great?

[HDTV1080P]

Sony is quoted as saying there is a profitability issue with Blu-ray according to the original article.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by mredman

Are you serious do you really think i own 1. I own ower 1000 i just have not updated my collection. Because i do not got the time right now

Well I went by how many you list. You know what they say when you ass/u/me. So instead of leaving it blank, you added one. And have a vast collection. Like that makes any sense and anyone could figure it out.

[zachnix18]

I'm really tired of people saying that these formats are dying. VHS and Vinyl have a huge following right now. DVD's and Blu Rays sell a ton in comparison to digital as well! Even Laserdisc has a cult following right now too. What I'm saying is who cares if there is a newer format or whatever to defeat the others. All formats will always have followings and have a life span with fans. Look at video games for goodness sakes. So no future item will just get rid of the old ones. No. All of the formats will always exist but they'll just push something new and my preference is physical media all day every day.

[Vashetti]

Sony is warning shareholders to expect poor financial results for its fiscal year ending March 31, 2014. The electronics giant previously expected to pull in an operating income of 80 billion yen ($782 million) over the financial year, but is today adjusting that figure down to just 26 billion yen ($254 million).

The sharp reduction — the new operating income estimates are 68 percent down from a February forecast — can be attributed to a pair of somewhat unexpected events. Roughly 30 billion yen ($293 million) of the drop is due to "additional expenses" from Sony's exit from the PC business. The company announced it's to sell its PC division to a Japanese investment fund earlier this year.

The second charge is due to what Sony calls "demand for physical media contracting faster than anticipated," especially in Europe. Because of this, Sony says it does not believe the business will generate "sufficient cash flow in the future to recover the carrying amount of long-lived assets." It anticipates an impairment charge on those assets, and a second charge on the overall value of its disc manufacturing business, which will amount to 25 billion yen ($245 million).

Blu-ray was officially introduced in 2006, backed by Sony and other manufacturers, and briefly battled against competing "next-generation" format HD-DVD. Buoyed by widespread adoption thanks to integration with the PlayStation 3, the popularity of Sony's format of choice saw HD-DVDs die without trace.

Winning this battle required heavy investment from Sony, an investment that it expected to recoup with years of strong sales. Instead of the market moving from DVD to Blu-ray, consumers began to embrace downloads from Apple's iTunes service and streaming from sites like Netflix and Hulu. Although Blu-ray is integrated with some Windows laptops, it was never offered by Apple — Steve Jobs famously called the format a "bag of hurt." With the rise of movie streaming and downloads, Sony is now accepting that its disc business is not worth as much as it hoped.

Sony will give a full rundown of its financial performance over the past year in two weeks. Its revenues from operations are likely to actually be higher than originally expected — the new forecast adds some 70 billion yen ($685 million) to the previous figure — but the company still expects to book a net loss for the year.

From here:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/1/567...irment-charges

Didn't post because I agree with it or want it to happen, but I think it's an interesting point of discussion.

I for one will never convert to Digital Downloads whilst there's a superior physical option available.

[bhampton]

VHS? Did I read that correctly ?

I think I just threw up a little.

[mredman]

I COUNTER WITH THIS

[mredman]

Originally Posted by bhampton

VHS? Did I read that correctly ?

I think I just threw up a little.

Yeah some of the formats he listed is not even released anymore but i agree Blu Ray Sales is stronger than ever

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by zachnix18

I'm really tired of people saying that these formats are dying. VHS and Vinyl have a huge following right now. DVD's and Blu Rays sell a ton in comparison to digital as well! Even Laserdisc has a cult following right now too. What I'm saying is who cares if there is a newer format or whatever to defeat the others. All formats will always have followings and have a life span with fans. Look at video games for goodness sakes. So no future item will just get rid of the old ones. No. All of the formats will always exist but they'll just push something new and my preference is physical media all day every day.

VHS has a huge following? I must have missed that one. I know that vinyl has a niche/cult following. I wouldn't label it 'huge'. Cult doesn't always mean huge, it means dedicated.


The largest selling vinyl album of 2013, Daft Punk-Random Access Memories, sold 49,000 copies on vinyl all year (released in May 2013). That's a small fraction of the million copies it took to get platinum in February of this year. They actually sold more copies in other formats the first couple days of release than vinyl all year.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by mredman

Yeah some of the formats he listed is not even released anymore but i agree Blu Ray Sales is stronger than ever

What? Why would you throw that graphic up to support your statement? That compares 1 week in 2014 to the same week in 2013. LOL There were 7 titles released this year VS 3 LAST YEAR! That doesn't even take popularity into account.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/mar...k-ended-041914

OMG, what if it was this week when you posted this graph?

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by mredman

horseshit. Blu Ray revenue continues to rise. Look at black friday sales, holiday week days, big blockbuster movies like Hunger Games,Frozen ect.. selling amazingly on blu ray. Then there is this:

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13862

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13868

all disc sales up for the week:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/mar...k-ended-041914

Sigh. That compares 1 week of this year with the same week last. There were only 3 releases that week last year vs 7 this. How about overall being down 13.7% the first quarter, a stat that really counts?

[jblank]

Slick, do you WANT it to fail? Lets just relax and try to use our heads for a moment. The format isn't failing, in fact, it is growing, steadily, and will continue to grow for the foreseeable future. Does that mean we will always see sustained growth? No, but physical media is going to be around for quite a while longer, Blu-Ray has been a success, and nobody is going to be dropping the format anytime soon.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by mredman

I COUNTER WITH THIS

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by jblank

Slick, do you WANT it to fail? Lets just relax and try to use our heads for a moment. The format isn't failing, in fact, it is growing, steadily, and will continue to grow for the foreseeable future. Does that mean we will always see sustained growth? No, but physical media is going to be around for quite a while longer, Blu-Ray has been a success, and nobody is going to be dropping the format anytime soon.

Of course I don't. But when Sony is now posting the most alarming news in years on the format I am not going to sit here with Blu goggles on and say everything is great. If Sony goes under, who steps in?

[jblank]

That is the most alarming format news in years to you? Sony isn't going to go anywhere, you'll be buying their films on Blu-Ray in 2015, 2016, 2017, etc. Things are good, not great, but they'd be better if the studios would cease supporting DVD and abandon it altogether. They should have stopped making DVD's in 2012, 15 years after DVD was widely available to the public, but by continuing to support it, they are continuing to breathe air into a dying format, rather than pulling the plug and letting Blu-Ray be the primary (and thus only) focus.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by jblank

That is the most alarming format news in years to you? Sony isn't going to go anywhere, you'll be buying their films on Blu-Ray in 2015, 2016, 2017, etc. Things are good, not great, but they'd be better if the studios would cease supporting DVD and abandon it altogether. They should have stopped making DVD's in 2012, 15 years after DVD was widely available to the public, but by continuing to support it, they are continuing to breathe air into a dying format, rather than pulling the plug and letting Blu-Ray be the primary (and thus only) focus.

Can you name another serious threat announced about BD since it won the format war?

[jblank]

Brother there have been doom and gloom forecasts and statements about the format for years now.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

This belongs in the "OH NOES! THE SKY IS FALLING" thread.

MODS, please move thread there. Thanks.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by jblank

Brother there have been doom and gloom forecasts and statements about the format for years now.

I am not talking about a blog or projection. I am talking a Y25 billion write off and announcement by Sony. I haven't ever seen anything like this coming directly from Sony.