Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Blu Titan]

Right now the number of Blu-ray playing devices in the US has grown to 75 million. How many millions have with the huge bandwidth, technical inclination and preference for storing movies in the cloud and/or on their hard drive?

Music and movies are totally different experiences and the related preferences for owning and storing also differ. Studios will respond to the market. Now they want something "sexy" to present to investors...a segment with high growth, but remember that on the total picture the amount of revenue generated is not all that great.

Once the growth diminishes and they note that by promoting streaming all they are doing is diminishing their return (as more people will just rent and not buy) they will literally "take their foot of the pedal".

Studios are notorious for focusing on the short term in order to reach revenue goals and get their bonuses aka save their jobs. This, we have seen the make "bad" deals in which they have given away the right for content really cheap. At the end, they will always need a dependable "cash cow".

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Right now the number of Blu-ray playing devices in the US has grown to 75 million. How many millions have with the huge bandwidth, technical inclination and preference for storing movies in the cloud and/or on their hard drive?

Music and movies are totally different experiences and the related preferences for owning and storing also differ. Studios will respond to the market. Now they want something "sexy" to present to investors...a segment with high growth, but remember that on the total picture the amount of revenue generated is not all that great.

Once the growth diminishes and they note that by promoting streaming all they are doing is diminishing their return (as more people will just rent and not buy) they will literally "take their foot of the pedal".

Studios are notorious for focusing on the short term in order to reach revenue goals and get their bonuses aka save their jobs. This, we have seen the make "bad" deals in which they have given away the right for content really cheap. At the end, they will always need a dependable "cash cow".

and that cashcow is physical media incl Blu Ray

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

At the end, they will always need a dependable "cash cow".

Yep

Originally Posted by mredman

and that cashcow is physical media incl Blu Ray

That cashcow will be whatever the consumers want it to be unfortunately, and if somehow physical just isn't making money it will go. But the industry is not stupid, you don't sh*t in your own backyard, we (us huge fans) are their best ambassadors and the ones who will spend the insane big bucks to help make technology always better.

Even before PQ and AQ were actually something people talked about you had people like us using LD, or pushing the use of Beta as we knew it was a much better design and also much better over all. They need us if they want to move forward, the day us techies stop caring for an improvement will really be THAT sad day.

[Tok]

One so so article and you p@ssies are ready to just give up. If Hollywood wants my cash I better have physical option for my collection.


It's the new releases that drive the industry. The industry will abandon DVD first before they abandon Blu-ray.

[Blu Titan]

I use. Netflix to watch stuff...nothing wrong with that. The physical media movie industry represents billions of dollars in revenue. The growth is physical media comes after a very deliberate push by the studios. Including the release of the highest profile movies weeks before on their preferred streaming sources, including some of the reports that people read on some of the blogs out there which at the minimum distort the facts to further an agenda. Each studios has their own deal, their own platform that they want to promote.

At the end of the day, a very large part of the home movie market will want a physical movie product. There are many who want to have their physical movie library, who do not want to be controlled and restricted by the studios.

[CHEЯNOБLY!]

Originally Posted by Agent Zero

Actually....NO

You never really own any of it, but it is and will be easier to track and keep track of your library. For them it will cut down on piracy, but on the plus side, you will always have a digital receipt. I say you have a better chance of your residence getting robbed than WB up and leaving with your Cloud of Movies. Think about it. I used to not embrace the cloud stuff like you. But what are they gonna do? I say Universal/Comcast will be easier to get a hold of for a new copy than my local best Buy if something happens.

People are just uncomfortable in this transition to digital media storage. If a company can decrease labor by getting rid of manufacturing they will. It is simple business math.

Again I do not like it. I am uncomfortable also trusting Apple being in charge of my library. If I am allowed to store EVERY movie I want on my own hard rive or server then I will have ZERO problems with any of this.

Might as well embrace the inevitable....

No, offense but you are a fool to trust them.

I have had Apple music videos/music "disappear" from my cloud. Can't get them back because Apple no longer sells them. Apple buys the rights to distribute these movies. What happens when it is no longer profitable to retain the right due to piracy, or if the public looses interest in Apple as they have in the past? Do you really think any movie studio will care about you? There is no digital receipt. Clouds are a joke.

This will not save the movie industry from piracy, just like digital content stores didn't save the music industry from piracy.

What can we do about? Oh well you say? How about not buying into this crap. It worked with X-box One. I will make a transition when I no longer have an option, and only then. Until then...no thanks, I like to actually OWN what I pay for.

[Agent Zero]

Originally Posted by mredman

and that cashcow is physical media incl Blu Ray

Not sure about that yet...



http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...06440621142958
Digital movie purchases surged 47% last year to $1.19 billion, according to data released by Digital Entertainment Group, an industry trade group. It was the fastest-growing category as total home-entertainment revenue inched up 0.7% to $18.22 billion.

[Agent Zero]

Originally Posted by CHEЯNOБLY!

No, offense but you are a fool to trust them.

I have had Apple music videos/music "disappear" from my cloud. Can't get them back because Apple no longer sells them. Apple buys the rights to distribute these movies. What happens when it is no longer profitable to retain the right due to piracy, or if the public looses interest in Apple as they have in the past? Do you really think any movie studio will care about you? There is no digital receipt. Clouds are a joke.

This will not save the movie industry from piracy, just like digital content stores didn't save the music industry from piracy.

What can we do about? Oh well you say? How about not buying into this crap. It worked with X-box One. I will make a transition when I no longer have an option, and only then. Until then...no thanks, I like to actually OWN what I pay for.

No offense taken. This is an odd venue to say this but my attachment to things has gone down in older age. I could lose stuff in a fire, stolen lost in a cloud, a company rips me off. Nothing is forever and I know there are odds we can play with, but there is not much of a fight I can put up except to continue to buy Blu's as long as they make them. Im just not gonna get all but hurt if and when the day comes where discs go away...until then I'm true blu

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Agent Zero

Not sure about that yet...



http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...06440621142958
Digital movie purchases surged 47% last year to $1.19 billion, according to data released by Digital Entertainment Group, an industry trade group. It was the fastest-growing category as total home-entertainment revenue inched up 0.7% to $18.22 billion.

what does this graph tell you

[CHEЯNOБLY!]

Originally Posted by Agent Zero

No offense taken. This is an odd venue to say this but my attachment to things has gone down in older age. I could lose stuff in a fire, stolen lost in a cloud, a company rips me off. Nothing is forever and I know there are odds we can play with, but there is not much of a fight I can put up except to continue to buy Blu's as long as they make them. Im just not gonna get all but hurt if and when the day comes where discs go away...until then I'm true blu

Sure, s**t happens. Discs don't last forever either, but I have never had one fail. I have DVDs that are nearly 20yrs old...work fine.

Is anyone here counting on their Apple or VUDU movies being still in available in your cloud 20yrs from now? Lol, don't bet the farm on it.

I have taken graduate courses in information and library science, and these are big issues in digital content. In fact, I wrote a 17 page research paper on it. In addition to storage issues with digital content (as of 2007 there is more content floating out there then there are discs, empty hard drives, and USB drives on the entire earth to store them on, resulting in the chances of complete information black outs), there are rights issues. Scholarly journals are almost an entirely digital medium now, and academic libraries have to combat data loss issues. Digital journal publishers/distributors go belly up, or stop publishing titles/issues when it is no longer profitable. Academic libraries can loose this content they paid for since in reality you are paying for access, not ownership. Happens all the time. People assume that once digital content is out there, it's forever. Couldn't be further from the truth. Rights issues are an even bigger pain in the ass with movies.

I am not a complete Luddite, and I think there are obvious benefits to digital content. In the academic world, it allows for access to content you would never get your hands on otherwise. However, digital content provides far more issues/challenges than it does solutions.

[Agent Zero]

Originally Posted by CHEЯNOБLY!

Sure, s**t happens. Discs don't last forever either, but I have never had one fail. I have DVDs that are nearly 20yrs old...work fine.

Is anyone here counting on their Apple or VUDU movies being still in available in your cloud 20yrs from now? Lol, don't bet the farm on it.

I have taken graduate courses in information and library science, and these are big issues in digital content. In fact, I wrote a 17 page research paper on it. In addition to storage issues with digital content (as of 2007 there is more content floating out there then there are discs, empty hard drives, and USB drives on the entire earth to store them on, resulting in the chances of complete information black outs), there are rights issues. Scholarly journals are almost an entirely digital medium now, and academic libraries have to combat data loss issues. Digital journal publishers/distributors go belly up, or stop publishing titles/issues when it is no longer profitable. Academic libraries can loose this content they paid for since in reality you are paying for access, not ownership. Happens all the time. People assume that once digital content is out there, it's forever. Couldn't be further from the truth. Rights issues are an even bigger pain in the ass with movies.

I am not a complete Luddite, and I think there are obvious benefits to digital content. In the academic world, it allows for access to content you would never get your hands on otherwise. However, digital content provides far more issues/challenges than it does solutions.

Great post and great points....thank you

[Agent Zero]

DVD/Blu ray still almost double second place streaming. We will have to see how long the trend lasts.

[CHEЯNOБLY!]

Originally Posted by Agent Zero

Great post and great points....thank you

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Agent Zero

[Show spoiler]

DVD/Blu ray still almost double second place streaming. We will have to see how long the trend lasts.

No denying the growth, but look at the numbers. Digital purchases are still tiny. The far bigger numbers are in digital rentals and streaming. That's actually more hopeful than some may lead people to believe. I see digital as the replacement of the rental market more than the purchase market right now.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Wow. This thread is full of LOCO!

[Agent Zero]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Wow. This thread is full of LOCO!

Please elaborate. Posting this shortly after mine is reasonable for me to ask.

[#Darren]

Why are they (the studios) talking about releasing true 4k disks?

[The Fallen Deity]

That's not true Sony have done well with Blu-Ray.

There's just as many people buying Blu-Ray as there's people who don't.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

That's not true Sony have done well with Blu-Ray.

There's just as many people buying Blu-Ray as there's people who don't.

Sony's in a 'bag of hurt' because of Blu-ray

Sony cuts earnings estimates as disc market shrinks faster than expected

http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/1/567...irment-charges

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by #Darren

http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/1/567...irment-charges

That story is lopsided and appears to be written by an Apple fanboy. The 'bag of hurt' reference is related to a comment made by Steve Jobs and the article is skewed towards Apple. The reason why Apple never integrated Blu-ray drives into it's products is because Jobs wanted to solely push his proprietary iTunes format. It had nothing to do with Blu-ray itself. As we can see, today, Apple is starting to eliminate all disc drives from it's products in an effort to herd Apple consumers into a single choice, which is iTunes.

The disc market is shrinking, no doubt, but the major shrinkage is coming from DVD rather than Blu-ray so I'm not sure why the author is trying to put the blame on Blu-ray.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

That story is lopsided and appears to be written by an Apple fanboy. The 'bag of hurt' reference is related to a comment made by Steve Jobs and the article is skewed towards Apple.

The disc market is shrinking, no doubt, but the major shrinkage is coming from DVD rather than Blu-ray so I'm not sure why the author is trying to put the blame on Blu-ray.

I low how it says that Blu-Ray is dying faster than expected.

The author does realise that the format's been around since 2006 right? lol