Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[von_Levi]

Originally Posted by #Darren

http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/1/567...irment-charges

Did you read the article?

The issue is that they capitalized start up costs related to BD on their balance sheet and they're adjusting that valuation -- so this is an accounting game they're playing. You'd have to read the footnotes of their 10k report to see what's really going on.

Their 4k push is pretty obvious: they want us to replace our 1080p TVs (and related devices) with 4k ones.

[lilboyblu]

Originally Posted by von_Levi

Did you read the article?

The issue is that they capitalized start up costs related to BD on their balance sheet and they're adjusting that valuation -- so this is an accounting game they're playing. You'd have to read the footnotes of their 10k report to see what's really going on.

Their 4k push is pretty obvious: they want us to replace our 1080p TVs (and related devices) with 4k ones.

Spot on.

Here's the link to their source as attached to the bottom of the article itself. Reading it objectively, without the spin being put on it, tells a slightly different story...

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/fina...ision_sony.pdf

[ultlife2013]

It seems like some people on the actual bluray.com forum want bluray to fail for some odd reason.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by von_Levi

Did you read the article?



Their 4k push is pretty obvious: they want us to replace our 1080p TVs (and related devices) with 4k ones.

Yes I understand that, but not so sure about the strength of actual 4k disks as a money maker.

[#Darren]

Originally Posted by ultlife2013

It seems like some people on the actual bluray.com forum want bluray to fail for some odd reason.

lol do you see how many disks I own?

[HeavyHitter]

There is still anti-Blu-ray fanboys out there. Perhaps they are still angered about HD DVD losing and hence hopped onto the streaming bandwagon.

Anyone remember this?

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/blu...e-s-why-464705

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by #Darren

Why are they (the studios) talking about releasing true 4k disks?

Because talking isn't doing.

It's far from certain that a 4K disc will become reality.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Agent Zero

Please elaborate. Posting this shortly after mine is reasonable for me to ask.

I was not referring to anyone specifically, so please don't feel as though I targeted you. I'm making much more of a blanketed statement.

The extend to which I'll elaborate ends with the following...

Zealots will be zealots.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

That's not true Sony have done well with Blu-Ray.

There's just as many people buying Blu-Ray as there's people who don't.

No...your statement implies that 50% of all people buy Blu-ray. If that were the case, BD would be the most successful media of all time.

Not even 50% of physical media buyers buy Blu. Blu-ray has a 21.9% physical unit share and a 32.5% US $ share, year to date. Blu-ray is only 1.6% ahead of last year in dollars and 5.84% ahead of last year in units.

And Sony has done so poorly with Blu-ray that they're using it as an excuse with Wall Street as to poor earnings.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

There is already a thread for this topic and that sensationalist article...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...=1#post9142231

[atfree]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

There is still anti-Blu-ray fanboys out there. Perhaps they are still angered about HD DVD losing and hence hopped onto the streaming bandwagon.

Anyone remember this?

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/blu...e-s-why-464705

"The plain fact is that few of us are ever likely to swap extensive DVD collections for their Blu-ray equivalents, especially when prices for Blu-ray movies and players are still so high".

Love this quote from the article....wonder if the author has ever checked out members' collections on blu-ray.com?

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by ultlife2013

It seems like some people on the actual bluray.com forum want bluray to fail for some odd reason.

No, but the facts are the facts. I'd say the opposite is true: there are people on this forum so enamored of Blu-ray (which is to be expected on a forum dedicated to the topic) that they refuse to acknowledge the actual state of the business.

Whether or not you love Blu-ray is completely independent of how commercialy successful it is. I love my BDs and I want to see the format be successful, but as a business executive and analyst, I can see that it's grown too slowly and is in danger of becoming a niche format, like laserdisc was. And there's no doubt, regardless of the inferior quality, that streaming is going to have an ever-growing negative impact on BD sales. Even today, and even though I'm a BD fan, if I think I'm only going to want to see a movie once, I stream it unless the BD is under $10 and sometimes even then.

As for 4K, it's being pushed more by the hardware manufacturers than the studios. The hardware manufacturers are trying to start a new buying/replacement cycle for TVs and associated equipment with higher prices and margins, since Sony and Panasonic, among others, have lost their shirts in the TV business, largely thanks to Samsung's relatively inexpensive sets. Sony even threatened to get out of the TV business entirely.

The TV manufacturers thought that 3D would accomplish the goal of starting a cycle of TV replacements, but after some initial excitement, it became a great big yawn. At this year's CES, 3D was barely mentioned, even though almost all the TVs still incorporate it.

Sony sells (or sometimes gives away) a 4K media player with 4K movies on it, but aside from that, no major studio has committed to releasing 4K movies in a physical format, even if a new standard is developed.

What has to be realized is that for at least the next five years, a 4K physical media format would sell even less than Blu-ray does today and that's not enough of a market for any of the big players to be very interested in, especially if there are extra costs involved. Sure, it will sell to the people who have more money than they know what to do with - the kind who buy apartments for $3 million and up, but not to the masses. And the big manufacturers and the big studios are only interested in products that can sell to the masses.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by atfree

"The plain fact is that few of us are ever likely to swap extensive DVD collections for their Blu-ray equivalents, especially when prices for Blu-ray movies and players are still so high".

Love this quote from the article....wonder if the author has ever checked out members' collections on blu-ray.com?

What's also funny is that "prices for Blu-ray movies and players are still so high" comment. Really? Players can be had for $50 - $70 these days and there are thousands of discs available for under $10. And, nowadays, all of the "swapping extensive DVD collections for their Blu-ray equivalents" would actually fall into the "under $10" category anyways since "extensive DVD collections" are made up of DVDs which were released many years ago, which are now mostly catalog titles which hit low prices relatively quickly.

So, that's more sensationalism at work. Anyone who has an "extensive DVD collection" has been in this game long enough to have spent more on most of their DVDs then they would on their Blu-ray equivalents. Pssshhhh...

[lilboyblu]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

What's also funny is that "prices for Blu-ray movies and players are still so high" comment. Really? Players can be had for $50 - $70 these days and there are thousands of discs available for under $10. And, nowadays, all of the "swapping extensive DVD collections for their Blu-ray equivalents" would actually fall into the "under $10" category anyways since "extensive DVD collections" are made up of DVDs which were released many years ago, which are now mostly catalog titles which hit low prices relatively quickly.

So, that's more sensationalism at work! Anyone who has an extensive DVD collection has been in this game long enough to have spend more on most of their DVDs then they would on their Blu-ray equivalents. Pssshhhh...

The article HeavyHitter linked to is from 2008. I think he was using it as an example to say "Blu-ray death" has already been talked about for at least six years.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by lilboyblu

The article HeavyHitter linked to is from 2008. I think he was using it as an example to say "Blu-ray death" has already been talked about for at least six years.

Aaaahhhhh.... well, I guess that makes the statement correct and less "humourous" then. In my hurry to be off to work I did not notice the date on the article.

Still though. this thread belongs with the rest of this sensationalist nonsense in this thread: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...=1#post9142231

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I love my BDs and I want to see the format be successful, but as a business executive and analyst, I can see that it's grown too slowly and is in danger of becoming a niche format, like laserdisc was.

And it sounds like you have a bit of a streaming bias.

How can it become a niche when it's sold well beyond that point and laser disc? Blu-rays are sold at every drug store and grocery store I walk into - this was never close to the case with LD. I know as of 2011, 40 million players had been sold in the U.S. and surely that number is bigger now - maybe someone has the latest numbers.

I agree, the format hasn't grown as fast and large as generally hoped, but it's certainly large enough to carry on for many years and will not be disappearing any time soon.

[Batmon77]

Beating a Dead Horse.....

Both my local Best Buy's BD sections have shrunk and DVD & BD's meshed together.

[TheBlayman]

Originally Posted by #Darren

Why are they (the studios) talking about releasing true 4k disks?

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/me...trollbgsk8.jpg

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

There is still anti-Blu-ray fanboys out there. Perhaps they are still angered about HD DVD losing and hence hopped onto the streaming bandwagon...http://www.techradar.com/us/news/blu...e-s-why-464705

Consider that nail well and truly hit on the head.

[The Fallen Deity]

All the major retail supermarkets and also all the major entertainment stores like HMV are littered with BD's.

So yeah the format's quite popular over here in the U.K.

Just sayin'...