Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by CHEЯNOБLY!

Many releases are dual format now. Even though I could care less about DVDs, more than half of my purchases included a DVD this year.

COULDN'T CARE LESS!

English... Please use it properly.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

I'm having trouble figuring out what this thread is all about? The title makes absolutely no sense. From the first few posts I read, it's about HD DVD, which died off years ago. Seems to me like just closing this thread and creating a new one with whatever the topic is. Because it isn't very clear.

Chicken Little screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING" and causing panic in the farm yard when no panic was necessary = this thread for all topics where someone(s) is/are causing unneccessary panic about any specific topic... hence the title being perfect for this thread.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

COULDN'T CARE LESS!

English... Please use it properly.

'Could care less' sounds better. It's sarcasm

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Chicken Little screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING" and causing panic in the farm yard when no panic was necessary = this thread for all topics where someone(s) is/are causing unneccessary panic about any specific topic... hence the title being perfect for this thread.

It always makes more sense once a person has watched the movie .

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by KRW1

I don't know what this is based on, but I've been reading a variation on it for about the last five years. Most people will go to both. I know people only now just discovering bluray and they've had Netflix and streaming for a while. They still want to buy the odd disc, perhaps a few a year, like Gravity, Frozen and so on but that market isn't going to go away until they stop releasing blockbusters. They've been nurturing it and supplying it for the last 25 years or so, it's deeply ingrained.

I'm not saying BD is dead, damn now that wouldn't be much fun. What I'm saying is that since BD is far from a new thing (I've been enjoying for over 7 years now) I highly doubt we'll all of a sudden see a rush. By now if you're not already on board with the price of players and BDs often even cheaper than the DVD, I just don't see it happening, at least in numbers that would be meaningful. I doubt they'd contribute enough to make a difference, and let's face it, the ones joining now are not worth what we were for the industry, we paid through the nose so that others don't have to (all based on nothing more than what I think makes sense, since everyone seems to have their own vues )

Now if people don't feel the need for BD I can easily see them enjoying 1080 streaming, it still can be much better than DVD and it's not like they feel as if they were losing something.

Originally Posted by rdodolak

I'm not disputing that more total units of DVDs are sold compared to Blu-ray discs. What I'm saying is at face value you can't say that since the total number of units of DVDs sold, during a specific period of time, is greater than the total units of Blu-rays then more people must prefer DVD over Blu-ray and more people purchased DVDs.

That could be the case but we need to know what was sold during that period and if any of those titles were only released in a single format. The number of units sold for any particular release that was released on only one format skew the results; that goes both ways. How do we know the number of people purchasing DVD is greater than those purchasing Blu-ray?

For example, for the week ending 22 Mar 2014 the reported sales numbers for Blu-ray and DVD where 5.21M and 11.43M units, respectively. Is it plausible that 2M people could have purchased a Blu-ray disc during that week and only 1.9M people purchased DVDs? Sure it could, although I doubt those where the numbers. Given DVDs lower price point it's also feasible that any single person picked up more DVDs compared to the number of Blu-rays on any given week. Then again how many of those DVDs didn't have an equivalent Blu-ray release?

Over 10x the number of titles have been released on DVD compared to Blu-ray disc releases. For most people, if a Blu-ray release does not exist they'll just pick up the DVD version. Can you say in that instance that those people prefer DVD over Blu-ray? I don't think so. If 90% of the releases don't have an equivalent Blu-ray release do you think most people will forgo 90% of the content currently available to them?

What you can do is look at the sales trends for titles that were released simultaneously on both formats.

Oh, I do understand, but the reality is what it is. You know, I think BD did great and still does, but maybe it just isn't the "life changer" we expected it to be, and I think the client base is way big enough to expect releases for quite a while, at least until we all have UHDTVs because, well that's all there will be

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Chicken Little screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING" and causing panic in the farm yard when no panic was necessary = this thread for all topics where someone(s) is/are causing unneccessary panic about any specific topic... hence the title being perfect for this thread.

So this thread is like the "junk drawer" in the kitchen? Good to know

By the way, was there any advancements made to the "Red Ray" players made by RED? I think it was mostly to play video content that came directly from a RED 4K camera. But it could be used to play 4K studio films in the future.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

So this thread is like the "junk drawer" in the kitchen? Good to know

Not really an accurate analogy. The junk drawer would be a collection of unwanted and random stuff. This thread is a collection of random stuff, yes. However, the topics in here are definitely worthy of discussion. But, when a bunch of people instantly latch onto a "fear of impending doom" which is not present whatsoever in the source contributed for the initiation of these discussions, THEN it becomes a candidate for relocation to this more appropriate venue. This allows all of those getting involved know ahead of time that there is some extremely far reaching conjecture being made with the topic at hand and that, although it may seem to be (based on the posts being made) that the "end of the world is upon us," that actually couldn't be farther from the truth.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Not really an accurate analogy. The junk drawer would be a collection of unwanted and random stuff. This thread is a collection of random stuff, yes. However, the topics in here are definitely worthy of discussion. But, when a bunch of people instantly latch onto a "fear of impending doom" which is not present whatsoever in the source contributed for the initiation of these discussions, THEN it becomes a candidate for relocation to this more appropriate venue. This allows all of those getting involved know ahead of time that there is some extremely far reaching conjecture being made with the topic at hand and that, although it may seem to be (based on the posts being made) that the "end of the world is upon us," that actually couldn't be farther from the truth.

Well I've seen threads moved and dumped into this one, so that's why my analogy was a junk drawer

[bhampton]

Hey,

I'm bothered by cheap folks who want to pay $11 a month or so to Netflix and only watch stuff they consider to be free.

I know and like some people like that, what can you do? It's ok I guess.

I'm buying blu more than ever and you could argue I have perhaps enough for the rest of my lifetime...however nothing compares to blu. People suggest there are blu ray quality streaming services and mostly this is not true.

Kaliedescape states they have some sort of full blu ray quality option partnered with uv which I don't really understand.

I'd hate to think all future options will be a step backwords... Seems a lot of people want that though. Forget cd quality,...high bit rate mp3 is "good enough"

Dern people with the good enough stuff going to drive technology backwords.

Oh well.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Hey,

I'm bothered by cheap folks who want to pay $11 a month or so to Netflix and only watch stuff they consider to be free.

I know and like some people like that, what can you do? It's ok I guess.

I'm buying blu more than ever and you could argue I have perhaps enough for the rest of my lifetime...however nothing compares to blu. People suggest there are blu ray quality streaming services and mostly this is not true.

Kaliedescape states they have some sort of full blu ray quality option partnered with uv which I don't really understand.

I'd hate to think all future options will be a step backwords... Seems a lot of people want that though. Forget cd quality,...high bit rate mp3 is "good enough"

Dern people with the good enough stuff going to drive technology backwords.

Oh well.

I agree with you b as usual, but we are unfortunately in the minority.

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Hey,

I'm bothered by cheap folks who want to pay $11 a month or so to Netflix and only watch stuff they consider to be free.

I know and like some people like that, what can you do? It's ok I guess.

I'm buying blu more than ever and you could argue I have perhaps enough for the rest of my lifetime...however nothing compares to blu. People suggest there are blu ray quality streaming services and mostly this is not true.

Kaliedescape states they have some sort of full blu ray quality option partnered with uv which I don't really understand.

I'd hate to think all future options will be a step backwords... Seems a lot of people want that though. Forget cd quality,...high bit rate mp3 is "good enough"

Dern people with the good enough stuff going to drive technology backwords.

Oh well.

You hit the proverbial "nail" on the "head" as usual. I agree 110%.

This news is FUD and as a former Sony shareholder, I can assure you that BD isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I think I'm in a better position to know the inner workings of that company than most people.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I agree with you b as usual, but we are unfortunately in the minority.

Actually with 73% of studios income comes from physical and blu ray and only 27% from digital. Its them that i in the minority
I dont see physical going away ever because there will always be a market for many that want to own their favorites over owning "smoke"


and i give you this:

HBO Reports Higher Content Revenue, Credits Strong Packaged Media Sales

According to an earnings report published earlier today by Time Warner, HBO revenue has increased 9 percent, to $1.3 billion. Content revenue, in particular, grew 13% ($24 million), driven by strong packaged media sales of Game of Thrones: The Complete Third Season.

Time Warner's report also highlights the fact that the fourth season premiere of Game of Thrones reached a gross audience of over 17 million viewers, well above last season's average of 14.4 million viewers

According to the same report, revenues at Warner Bros. increased 14% ($385 million) to $3.1 billion, mainly due to a stronger theatrical slate, led by The LEGO Movie and 300: Rise of an Empire.

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13862

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

The transition to 4K is inevitable. Displays at 55"+ or larger will all be 4K in several years similar to how 720p displays at that size all became 1080p.

On the 4K content side, it will take longer but eventually happen.

And 4K Blu-ray is coming and the specs are being finalized. You will see it likely launched next year.

So much for packaged media being dead.

That prediction about paying for content by screen size by some CEO or other (was is dreamworks?) is, in my opinion hinting at 4k as the ultimate home experience. I hope we won't be expected to pay a premium even many years into 4ks lifetime. Watch on a smartphone or smartwatch 1 dollar, tablet 2 dollars, tv 3 dollars and projection screen or cinema 15 dollars.
End result? Forcing people to watch their smartphone for two hours in SD in their living rooms to save the money. My fear of a SD everywhere future is not being eased by this, in my opinion, stupid idea. If people are prepared to save money and buy a dvd rather than bluray, it stands to reason they would do the same by watching a movie on a smartphone rather than big screen tv even in their living room. Streaming is going to destroy film for the home cinema fans and the smart phone only movie experience would be a real threat if Hollywood followed through with some pay by display idea IMO.

It would actually have the opposite affect IMO. Rather than generating huge money it would create a situation similar to the music industry where people are cherry picking movies at 1 dollar a time on their smartphone/watch rather than paying for a crisp hd transfer. Think of the single mp3 download instead of a album like it used to be and you can see my point?

[Vesee1]

Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know there are still late BD adopters coming through.

My wife and I bought a house a couple years ago and now have two toddlers, so our budget was really tight for a time. When baby costs started to go away, we decided to get a HD display for Christmas(first one).

720p 32" Samsung on a post-holiday Amazon deal, along with a Sony Wi-Fi BD player. Got Netflix and saw the huge jump from SD to HD, then started buying Disney BDs for the kids and just started upgrading the disc collection. This mostly consists of Target 5/7.50 movies and Amazon deals.

My parents' SD TV went out a month ago and we persuaded them to get an HD panel with Netflix. They're blown away by the difference and we're getting them a BD player for Mother's Day/Father's Day, as they're big physical media collectors.


People like us with less disposable income may just be starting to jump on board with BD...I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. DVDs have had to drop so low in price just to compete. As BDs continue coming down in price more and more lower-middle class consumers will buy in and sales numbers should continue to inch upward.

It's all about awareness and spreading the word that BD (and whatever may come out of 4K) is a huge leap forward from SD or even DVD upscaling.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

You know, I think BD did great and still does, but maybe it just isn't the "life changer" we expected it to be, and I think the client base is way big enough to expect releases for quite a while, at least until we all have UHDTVs because, well that's all there will be

BD in and of itself wasn't a game changer but if one looks more broadly this generation of home video has been pretty incredible. TVs are bigger, better and cheaper. Multi-tuner DVRs are commonplace, incredibly versatile and very easy to use. And all sorts of content is better. Understandably enough we focus on tv shows and movies here but take something like sports. Hockey is so much more fun to watch at home now. It wasn't that long ago that Fox was putting a little blue blur on the puck so home viewers could maybe kind of figure out where it was. Now we've got wireless HD cameras in the freaking goals

And for all the talk of sheep and idiots, even the much maligned masses like the differences. Sure, we've all got anecdotal horror stories of people with brand new HDTVs displaying SD channels but just plain folk watch good content too.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by mredman

and i give you this:

HBO Reports Higher Content Revenue, Credits Strong Packaged Media Sales



https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=13862

That's a big, bold headline in big, bold letters all right but what does it really mean?

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/tim...13-1201087500/

HBO revenue for Q4 rose 6% to $1.3 billion, due to subscription revenue growth of 8% partially offset by a decrease of 9% in content sales.

A 9% decrease followed by a 13% increase is basically a wash, no?

It's also worth noting that Warner started releasing more detailed revenue info in response to the success of Netflix. There was a lot of 'Is Netflix the new HBO' buzz last year when Netflix revenues almost caught HBO. Warner responded to that - in part to calm investors - by pointing out that the revenues might be similar but HBO's profit margins are a lot higher.

[mredman]

it means that Game Of Thrones season 3 sells like hot cakes in package media as in - physical media

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by octagon

BD in and of itself wasn't a game changer but if one looks more broadly this generation of home video has been pretty incredible. TVs are bigger, better and cheaper. Multi-tuner DVRs are commonplace, incredibly versatile and very easy to use. And all sorts of content is better. Understandably enough we focus on tv shows and movies here but take something like sports. Hockey is so much more fun to watch at home now. It wasn't that long ago that Fox was putting a little blue blur on the puck so home viewers could maybe kind of figure out where it was. Now we've got wireless HD cameras in the freaking goals

And for all the talk of sheep and idiots, even the much maligned masses like the differences. Sure, we've all got anecdotal horror stories of people with brand new HDTVs displaying SD channels but just plain folk watch good content too.

I don't know if your answer is in argument or a follow through, but I agree with it if it seemed I didn't. All I was saying is maybe we expected most, if not all to embrace BD like we did/do and that hasn't happened. But for HD, from other sources, I agree.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

I don't know if your answer is in argument or a follow through, but I agree with it if it seemed I didn't. All I was saying is maybe we expected most, if not all to embrace BD like we did/do and that hasn't happened. But for HD, from other sources, I agree.

Yeah, I was just making conversation. We're pretty much on the same page.

[Vashetti]

Originally Posted by Vesee1

Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know there are still late BD adopters coming through.

My wife and I bought a house a couple years ago and now have two toddlers, so our budget was really tight for a time. When baby costs started to go away, we decided to get a HD display for Christmas(first one).

720p 32" Samsung on a post-holiday Amazon deal, along with a Sony Wi-Fi BD player. Got Netflix and saw the huge jump from SD to HD, then started buying Disney BDs for the kids and just started upgrading the disc collection. This mostly consists of Target 5/7.50 movies and Amazon deals.

My parents' SD TV went out a month ago and we persuaded them to get an HD panel with Netflix. They're blown away by the difference and we're getting them a BD player for Mother's Day/Father's Day, as they're big physical media collectors.


People like us with less disposable income may just be starting to jump on board with BD...I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. DVDs have had to drop so low in price just to compete. As BDs continue coming down in price more and more lower-middle class consumers will buy in and sales numbers should continue to inch upward.

It's all about awareness and spreading the word that BD (and whatever may come out of 4K) is a huge leap forward from SD or even DVD upscaling.

Nice to have you on board.

I would suggest upgrading that 720p TV to a 1080p one when you can. I didn't think it would make much difference a few years ago, but the difference between 720p and 1080p is staggering.

If you think your Blu-rays and HD looks great now, they'll look much, much better on a 1080p set.