Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Mad, no. I would be interested in his definition of good (since the word is very vague). It would also be a matter of what experience one is after (if someone is just interested in wasting some time while sitting on a their couch there is definitely nothing wrong with a 30" TV, but if someone wants to experience a movie, it will never happen watching that 30" TV from their couch in the living room)

If the content of a movie is engaging to the viewer why is watching it on a 30" TV a waste of time?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

If we assume that Anthony is not only a smart guy (which we know as fact), but also a good engineer?

I am not an engineer, don't know where you got that idea from.

Then, from there to saying that contrary to many of us here, his personal life training is one of logic, not only first, but only logic, emotions have no place in engineering where human lives could be at stake.

lol, I am not a Vulcan, there is a lot of room in life for emotions, There is just a time and place for emotions. You pick the song you want to listen to or what film to watch on emotions. there is just no need to bring them in a discussion of PQ (for example) since it can better be determined without them and a better job can be done since then it is relevant to everyone.
for example
would you agree it would be nuts to call this house that sold for 120M$ affordable? but according to your relativistic point of view it would make sense for the guy that bought it to come here and say it is an affordable house since he could afford it.

According to you it would also make sense (if that guy decides to say so) that there is no difference in price between that house and a house that costs 120K$ because he could have afforded any of them.

This I also know as fact, at least among my engineer friends that I made while studying Elect Eng at McGill, (program I didn't finish exactly for this reason, I need emotion in everything I do) in their professional lives, and also very very present in their day to day lives.

yes and no, I know a few engineers as well, yes if the guy is designing the brakes on your car you don't want him to have a dark sense of humour and decide "wouldn't it be fun if they stop working when the car is inclined at 30 degrees". But most engineers do have a semi artistic sides to them (maybe not as much in electrical and not in the early classes). Don't you think aesthetics would be a big part for the engineer designing the body of the car? How about a civil engineer, do you think every building desgn aspect is purely functional?...

Now I will agree that for Anthony, what he believes as important really is important, for the same reasons others are to us.

it is not a matter of importance, but factual and wrong.

The only thing I do deplore is intransigence when clearly the other party doesn't have the expertise in certain aspects of a field he/she knows a lot. There might, and I say might, be only 1 entity that has that unique Divine Power.

but that makes no sense. If someone does not know math and says 2+2=5 (like Orwell wrote in 1984 to show the idiocy and evilness of big brother) is it intransigence to point out that 2+2 actually equals 4 and not 5? One is obviously wrong and the other is obviously right (unless the first post was meant as a quote of the book or film based on the book) you don't need a divine power to know it.

Personally if a guy that knows a lot on a subject corrects a mistake I made on that subject, I would I see that as a good thing since I can learn from it instead of continuing to make that mistake in the future. I consider it a good day when I go to bed less stupid then when I got up that morning.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vinyl

If the content of a movie is engaging to the viewer why is watching it on a 30" TV a waste of time?

simple

1) it is not that 30" is a magic number, it was just a number that was used in the example and any ration seat distance to screen size that does not make sense would work

2) a movie is created with a movie screen in mind and that means that everyone involved in making the film assume that the person will be within a certain size/distance ratio. When you are watching a screen that is too small and too far away and well outside that ration you end up missing out on a lot of stuff purposefully captured by the camera and meant to be part of the experience of the film and so you drastically hurt the experience you have.

3) if you have a better term for such cheapening of the experience share it, but so far I have not heard or came up with one. The time the movie played has passed but the person did not get to properly enjoy it and missed a lot in experiencing it and to me that means the time was wasted. Now if it was about sitting with the kids and eating popcorn, then it might not be wasted time in that respect but we are talking about watching the movie and in that respect the time is wasted.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

simple

1) it is not that 30" is a magic number, it was just a number that was used in the example and any ration seat distance to screen size that does not make sense would work

2) a movie is created with a movie screen in mind and that means that everyone involved in making the film assume that the person will be within a certain size/distance ratio. When you are watching a screen that is too small and too far away and well outside that ration you end up missing out on a lot of stuff purposefully captured by the camera and meant to be part of the experience of the film and so you drastically hurt the experience you have.

3) if you have a better term for such cheapening of the experience share it, but so far I have not heard or came up with one. The time the movie played has passed but the person did not get to properly enjoy it and missed a lot in experiencing it and to me that means the time was wasted. Now if it was about sitting with the kids and eating popcorn, then it might not be wasted time in that respect but we are talking about watching the movie and in that respect the time is wasted.

I don't have kids and I don't care for popcorn, so am I still wasting my time because I watch a movie on a small screen? I will agree that viewing a movie on a larger screen is more enjoyable, but if that is not a viable option do I now stop watching them?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vinyl

I don't have kids and I don't care for popcorn, so am I still wasting my time because I watch a movie on a small screen? I will agree that viewing a movie on a larger screen is more enjoyable, but if that is not a viable option do I now stop watching them?

Depends on the size of the screen. For example, IMO, it's utterly pointless watching Avatar or The dark knight on a phone screen. It lessens the experience to such a degree, the fun has gone out of the experience. For something like stand by me or the green mile, a smaller screen may be doable IF no other options exist. A near ten inch tablet is the smallest I will go.
I feel though, that all this 'watch anywhere' crap is detrimental to the experience of movies. Having said that, maybe that is dead in the eyes of this generation. Everything seems to be disposable now, even movies.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Depends on the size of the screen. For example, IMO, it's utterly pointless watching Avatar or The dark knight on a phone screen. It lessens the experience to such a degree, the fun has gone out of the experience. For something like stand by me or the green mile, a smaller screen may be doable IF no other options exist. A near ten inch tablet is the smallest I will go.
I feel though, that all this 'watch anywhere' crap is detrimental to the experience of movies. Having said that, maybe that is dead in the eyes of this generation. Everything seems to be disposable now, even movies.

I was playing a little bit of devil's advocate with my posts, but you brought up something interesting.

I think that people who enjoy movies such as TDK, Transformers and the other blockbuster-type movies are more likely to want to buy a larger screen and possibly a nice audio setup as well. If that were my choice of movie I'd do the same. However, in my case I much prefer dramas and the like over those cinematic extravanganzas and a small 24"-42" TV is more than acceptable for a good experience.

Note: I used to have a 42" Panny Plasma and a full HT setup, but sold it to focus more on my music system. I watch movies on my PC with a 24" Acer Monitor and 60wpc active monitors for sound. Although I will one day have another HT setup I am not in any rush to get there.

[ouflak]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vinyl

If the content of a movie is engaging to the viewer why is watching it on a 30" TV a waste of time?

Heck, why is even watching it on a phone a problem? A good movie is still a good movie, even if it's on phone screen.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

... For example, IMO, it's utterly pointless watching Avatar or The Dark Knight on a phone screen...

There are some who would argue that watching either of these movies on any size screen is a waste of time.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by ouflak

Heck, why is even watching it on a phone a problem? A good movie is still a good movie, even if it's on phone screen.

I'm sorry, but I have to draw the line somewhere. Anything that can be held in your hands for 2 hours is too small to watch films on.

Originally Posted by ouflak

There are some who would argue that watching either of these movies on any size screen is a waste of time.

I disagree... but, still made me .

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

I'm sorry, but I have to draw the line somewhere. Anything that can be held in your hands for 2 hours is too small to watch films on.

Agreed.

I disagree... but, still made me .

It did me too.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ouflak

Heck, why is even watching it on a phone a problem? A good movie is still a good movie, even if it's on phone screen.



There are some who would argue that watching either of these movies on any size screen is a waste of time.

Love the Dark Knight!

Personally, I can't watch movies on a phone. I have tried and I gave up.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vinyl

I was playing a little bit of devil's advocate with my posts, but you brought up something interesting.

I think that people who enjoy movies such as TDK, Transformers and the other blockbuster-type movies are more likely to want to buy a larger screen and possibly a nice audio setup as well. If that were my choice of movie I'd do the same. However, in my case I much prefer dramas and the like over those cinematic extravanganzas and a small 24"-42" TV is more than acceptable for a good experience.

Note: I used to have a 42" Panny Plasma and a full HT setup, but sold it to focus more on my music system. I watch movies on my PC with a 24" Acer Monitor and 60wpc active monitors for sound. Although I will one day have another HT setup I am not in any rush to get there.

I love most genres so that wouldn't work for me. What about films like The White Ribbon, Winters bone etc..? Most dramas benefit from the bluray treatment. Small screens are a waste of time for me. I like it big! (No cheeky comments please!)

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I love most genres so that wouldn't work for me. What about films like The White Ribbon, Winters bone etc..? Most dramas benefit from the bluray treatment. Small screens are a waste of time for me. I like it big! (No cheeky comments please!)

There's no doubt that a BD on a large screen is a more satisfying experience, but my priorities are different. I'm perfectly satisfied for now.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vinyl

There's no doubt that a BD on a large screen is a more satisfying experience, but my priorities are different. I'm perfectly satisfied for now.

Your first love is music obviously. I love both but If I had to make a choice it would always be films!

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Your first love is music obviously. I love both but If I had to make a choice it would always be films!

Yeah...music is my primary interest and I must say I do miss not being able to watch the 50+ concert BD's I have. But I've made a commitment to have my music setup to where I want it, and then focusing on bringing back the HT for movies. It shouldn't be too much longer (I hope).

When you guys watch/listen to Concert BD's do you always listen to them in MCH or do you find that 2CH offers a better experience?

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

If we assume that Anthony is not only a smart guy (which we know as fact), but also a good engineer

A tiny piece of friendly advice: while patronizing somebody in an argument might make for a nice distraction and temporary reset, the advantage is very short-lived, and not worth the cost of whatever concessions it makes.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Personally if a guy that knows a lot on a subject corrects a mistake I made on that subject, I would I see that as a good thing since I can learn from it instead of continuing to make that mistake in the future. I consider it a good day when I go to bed less stupid then when I got up that morning.

...... ...

... dude, since when have you ever accepted the possibility that anybody knows more than you about anything?

The idea of you claiming that you are capable of admitting that you were ever wrong in an argument is easily the funniest joke I have heard in a long time.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

A tiny piece of friendly advice: while patronizing somebody in an argument might make for a nice distraction and temporary reset, the advantage is very short-lived, and not worth the cost of whatever concessions it makes.

I agree, and apologize but guess sometimes I let some people get under my skin, and in this case obviously made an incorrect assumption, though I remember exchanging PMs with Anthony a while ago and could swear he mentioned engineering.

But I believe others have taken upon themselves to offer their different views here so will leave it at that. This thread has been going around the same vicious circle for what seems like ever and seems to want to perpetuate itself through history and quite frankly, some just do not want to let others do their thing, at least without first stating how ridiculous that position is and how it just doesn't stand scrutiny.

I find that way too "1984" for my tastes is all. Seriously, who wants their choices dictated to them by others who make it a point to try and prove that they are the only ones right, hence, everybody else, wrong. If for some this is the way their lives should be lived, well, good for them, but it is one of the rare things in life I will never abide by.

Elitism and class generalization, upper standings based on, well money, as if you are one who doesn't have much, all this is so totally insignificant and trivial, and seeing anything more into it means you just have way too much time and money and have possibly lost touch with the really important things in life.

If this Forum intends to go the Elite formula I will then have to reconsider my being here as frankly I can't afford to follow.

If this sounds somewhat far fetched I have a PM here that would tend to demonstrate this fear. It is something I never really ran through the stages with but can state without any hesitation that Elitism is here, though just not pushed by b-r.com, but sometimes that very fine line can be crossed by even the most well intentioned human being.

I'm looking at you blu-ray.com

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Mad, no. I would be interested in his definition of good (since the word is very vague).

Good is a very vague word indeed. A good movie watching experience or properly enjoying a movie can mean different things and be judged in different ways depending on who one might ask. Which is precisely these kinds of things don't easily lend themselves to strident black-and-white, right and wrong analysis.

Some people might think a three foot screen is more than big enough for a good movie watching experience. Somebody else might think a five or six foot screen is enough to properly enjoy a movie. Another person might think ten feet is just right.

And a fourth person might think all of those other people are nuts. That person might argue that any movie screen you can paint on your wall is a piss poor approximation of something that should by all rights be several stories tall. That person might laugh out loud at charts that say one can fully capture the magic of cinema by pinning up a bedsheet at home provided one sits close enough to said bedsheet.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

It would also be a matter of what experience one is after (if someone is just interested in wasting some time while sitting on a their couch there is definitely nothing wrong with a 30" TV, but if someone wants to experience a movie, it will never happen watching that 30" TV from their couch in the living room)

Nonsense. Millions of people have experienced millions of movies in their living rooms. Millions of people have fallen in love with movies they've only experienced at home.

Now, if you want to argue that these people didn't fully experience these movies that's fine. But to dismiss all of those experiences entirely is more than a little silly.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vinyl

Yeah...music is my primary interest and I must say I do miss not being able to watch the 50+ concert BD's I have. But I've made a commitment to have my music setup to where I want it, and then focusing on bringing back the HT for movies. It shouldn't be too much longer (I hope).

When you guys watch/listen to Concert BD's do you always listen to them in MCH or do you find that 2CH offers a better experience?

Fair enough,your passion takes priority. Good luck getting back into the groove with your HT.

[mredman]

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mredman

We need more of the same. Weekly sales have been on a downward slope for six or seven weeks up until two weeks ago I believe. Some big hitters to come so we should have a good second half of the year.