Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

The DVDs in combo packs cannot be tracked for actual usage though. Your analogy is one of apples and oranges.

Redeeming a code for a digital copy creates an entry in a database somewhere. That database is sure-as-shit tracking this type of information so that studio/distribution execs can maximize their revenue in the areas that are showing growth and activity. And, that database is not tracking if anybody is actually watching the file. It's just tracking if the code has been redeemed. It is scary how many times I have read comments of the "I just redeem the codes to have them for the future... just in case" variety. Well, guess what?

agree the two are very different. I also had a friend that used to DL before it expires, I think he eventually (mostly?) stopped since he was never using them and they were just taking up space for nothing but a code used perpetuates the myth that the guy that bought the BD is interested in the DL as well.

That mentality is going to make the people who make the decisions think that EVERYONE is USING digital content at an alarmingly fast rate. Therefore, they will start shifting their resources to focus more on that medium while taking away from the physical media resources. All the while, consumers will begin using the codes and relying on digital more in fear of the potential impending death of physical media... supporting a transition that not nearly as many people want as is reflected in the database statistics. This will occur until it just isn't worth it to invest their resources in physical media anymore.

I disagree on this, if the guy was only interested with a DC on his iphone he would have just gone to iTunes and bought the DC there, he would not have bought the BD just for the DC. For me it bugs me since there is so much added crap that comes with films ( the DVD the DC....). All I want is the BD and if people use the DC then it will be included (so more crap being made) and it drives up the cost (the studios sees it as added value to have the DVD and DC in it) and if the code is used it definitely looks that way to the studio.

P.S. I do also believe that this thread deserves to be merged with the "OH NOES! THE SKY IS FALLING!" thread.

agree.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

^^^ No... people who want digital are all over the internet trying to get the cheaper DC versions! Why pay $8+ for a digital copy when so many are selling the same thing for $2 or $3? iTunes probably isn't the first stop for digital content for most people who want it.

Regarding the redemption and studio analysis of thise numbers. You have to think in terms of a progressive set of stages. Sure, I agree that it won't just be "DCs are quite popular. Let's stop making physical media starting tomorrow." However, more and more and more people are selling their DCs, giving them away, or redeeming them "just to have them." And, as a result, it is creating the illusion of digital consumer growth. Therefore, the studios will eventually ac on the growth of said digital growth much sooner than if people would just not bother doing ANYTHING with the codes that they don't want for themselves. Is it really worth getting that extra $2 or $3 from selling a DC when the act will only bring the demise of physical media (those peoples preferred medium) quicker?

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

^^^ No... people who want digital are all over the internet trying to get the cheaper DC versions! Why pay $8+ for a digital copy when so many are selling the same thing for $2 or $3?

A couple of reasons:

1) timing: the digital version comes out 2-3 weeks before physical, so you can't buy $2-3 DC versions until people can get their hands on them to sell

2) convenience: a lot of sales are convenience-driven or spontaneous, especially when there are 2 more people in the room deciding on something. Just click to buy and watch. Shopping for a cheaper version takes a little time and effort to bring that movie to your display.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

^^^ No... people who want digital are all over the internet trying to get the cheaper DC versions! Why pay $8+ for a digital copy when so many are selling the same thing for $2 or $3? iTunes probably isn't the first stop for digital content for most people who want it.

Regarding the redemption and studio analysis of thise numbers. You have to think in terms of a progressive set of stages. Sure, I agree that it won't just be "DCs are quite popular. Let's stop making physical media starting tomorrow." However, more and more and more people are selling their DCs, giving them away, or redeeming them "just to have them." And, as a result, it is creating the illusion of digital consumer growth. Therefore, the studios will eventually ac on the growth of said digital growth much sooner than if people would just not bother doing ANYTHING with the codes that they don't want for themselves. Is it really worth getting that extra $2 or $3 from selling a DC when the act will only bring the demise of physical media (those peoples preferred medium) quicker?

But as soon as bluray ceases to exist, their is no such thing as a digital copy. Digital version of a film on a store yes, but not digital copy. So it would benefit no one. I guess it depends on how you view a digital copy. Some would say its a freebie on a bluray, others would argue that a film from iTunes, ps store, google play is a digital copy. See, already there is mass confusion. Is th digital copy a crappy compression riddled smartphone copy or a suitable for HD TV digital copy? What a mess.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

^^^ No... people who want digital are all over the internet trying to get the cheaper DC versions! Why pay $8+ for a digital copy when so many are selling the same thing for $2 or $3? iTunes probably isn't the first stop for digital content for most people who want it.

I disagree, if it was that simple we would all be watching pirated films.

Regarding the redemption and studio analysis of thise numbers. You have to think in terms of a progressive set of stages. Sure, I agree that it won't just be "DCs are quite popular. Let's stop making physical media starting tomorrow." However, more and more and more people are selling their DCs, giving them away, or redeeming them "just to have them." And, as a result, it is creating the illusion of digital consumer growth. [/quote]
agree and is the reason I don't do any of that.

Therefore, the studios will eventually ac on the growth of said digital growth much sooner than if people would just not bother doing ANYTHING with the codes that they don't want for themselves. Is it really worth getting that extra $2 or $3 from selling a DC when the act will only bring the demise of physical media (those peoples preferred medium) quicker?

but this part does not make sense. When studios decided to kill off VHS in 2006 it was not because DVD sales were big, they were big and growing for years before that and were actualy starting to decline themselves but because by that time VHS sales were just too small and the only people interested were cheap people buying the VHS because it was a couple of bucks less. Let's assume there are three options to consumers, A) BD without DC, B) DC only and C) combo with BD and DVD and let's say 100% of people buy the combo pack and use the DC, do you think it makes sense for studios to say 1)"hey let's drop BD packages, since everyone is willing to watch the DC", 2)"hey let's drop BD combo and DC options, since everyone is willing to watch the BD", 3) "hey let's only keep the BD/DC combo since no one wants the BD or DC only options"? I would pick #3 but for some reason you think it will be #1

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But as soon as bluray ceases to exist, their is no such thing as a digital copy.

not really, it does not matter if the digital copy came free with a BD or was bought from a digital store.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

not really, it does not matter if the digital copy came free with a BD or was bought from a digital store.

A digital HD bought from a store is exactly the same quality as a digital copy free with a bluray?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

A digital HD bought from a store is exactly the same quality as a digital copy free with a bluray?

I would guess. I never used my DC but except for earlier on when the DC was on a disk to help with the "DL" now all you get is a paper with the code and you need to DL it from on-line. I can't see why they would have two "HD" copies on the server for the people that buy it and the people that use the code that came with the BD.

But you missed my point. DC has two words in it. Digital (which IMHO should really be virtual since a BD and DVD and CD are also digital) that is only the digital info without disk DRM and Copy which means a copy of the film. So if someone buys a film on iTunes or Vudu what they are doing is buying a digital copy of the film.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I would guess. I never used my DC but except for earlier on when the DC was on a disk to help with the "DL" now all you get is a paper with the code and you need to DL it from on-line. I can't see why they would have two "HD" copies on the server for the people that buy it and the people that use the code that came with the BD.

But you missed my point. DC has two words in it. Digital (which IMHO should really be virtual since a BD and DVD and CD are also digital) that is only the digital info without disk DRM and Copy which means a copy of the film. So if someone buys a film on iTunes or Vudu what they are doing is buying a digital copy of the film.

But can you see my point about the confusion? Don't forget, there were digital copies on bluray before UV was a thing. When I think digital copy I always think ipod compatible SD copy not a HDX copy that will look better on a large screen.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But can you see my point about the confusion? Don't forget, there were digital copies on bluray before UV was a thing. When I think digital copy I always think ipod compatible SD copy not a HDX copy that will look better on a large screen.

I can see that if someone wants to make something confusing they can do so but who cares if it is confusing or not, that was not the discussion. Even back in the day with the SD DC iTunes copy on a disk in a BD package it was still an SD copy that someone else could have bought on iTunes directly.

[mredman]

this thread is beyond dumb really. Its the same as cable networks have shows on demand before they air. Nothing more. Blu Ray is prefered by all who enjoy the best in PQ,AQ and extras. and wanna "own" their favorite movies and tv shows

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by OI8T12

Why destroy the digital copy? Why not give it away, or sell it and make some money?

I don't know about "destroying", but I know I never bothered with many of my digital copies and probably tossed more than a few in the garbage - or at the very least let them expire.

Lately with the HD UV codes, I've at least been redeeming all of those those (at least they are HD I figure, so I guess there is a chance I could make use of them in the future). Although I have to admit, I haven't actually watched a single one of them yet (why would I?). So I basically have an account accumulating a bunch of UV's of blu-rays I own - but there is really no purpose to it since I would always choose to watch the blu-ray first.

[True Detective]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

A couple of reasons:

1) timing: the digital version comes out 2-3 weeks before physical, so you can't buy $2-3 DC versions until people can get their hands on them to sell

2) convenience: a lot of sales are convenience-driven or spontaneous, especially when there are 2 more people in the room deciding on something. Just click to buy and watch. Shopping for a cheaper version takes a little time and effort to bring that movie to your display.

number 2 is the reason why i am glad physical media is dying because i want convenience these days even though i love my steelbooks.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by True Detective

number 2 is the reason why i am glad physical media is dying because i want convenience these days even though i love my steelbooks.

did you join the forum to tell us that?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

I don't know about "destroying", but I know I never bothered with many of my digital copies and probably tossed more than a few in the garbage - or at the very least let them expire.

Lately with the HD UV codes, I've at least been redeeming all of those those (at least they are HD I figure, so I guess there is a chance I could make use of them in the future). Although I have to admit, I haven't actually watched a single one of them yet (why would I?). So I basically have an account accumulating a bunch of UV's of blu-rays I own - but there is really no purpose to it since I would always choose to watch the blu-ray first.

IMO, every bluray collector should boycott that crap!

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by steedeel

Did you join the forum to tell us that?

+1

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by True Detective

number 2 is the reason why i am glad physical media is dying because i want convenience these days even though i love my steelbooks.

So you're happy to sacrifice image and sound quality for convenience, though you love your steelbooks. You got your priorities right there

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by AlexIlDottore

So you're happy to sacrifice image and sound quality for convenience, though you love your steelbooks. You got your priorities right there

In my opinion, this seems to be a trend. Maybe it's wrong of me but I'm always suspicious of people who have joined this year despite bluray being around for many years now. I know there are many who have Just started to collect for whatever reason but many I feel have an agenda (in my opinion)

[kimg1453]

Convenience!!!! More like lazy than anything else reference to #2. By the way, Physical media is far from dying. Yesterday's article indicated a 10% increase in Blu-ray sales second quarter. Screw streaming/downloads!

[tob]

Originally Posted by True Detective

number 2 is the reason why i am glad physical media is dying because i want convenience these days even though i love my steelbooks.