Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by True Detective

number 2 is the reason why i am glad physical media is dying because i want convenience these days even though i love my steelbooks.

Do you sit under a bridge waiting for billy-goats to come along in between watching your downloads!!!!!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

Do you sit under a bridge waiting for billy-goats to come along in between watching your downloads!!!!!

I don't think he will answer to be honest (just my opinion)

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In my opinion, this seems to be a trend. Maybe it's wrong of me but I'm always suspicious of people who have joined this year despite bluray being around for many years now. I know there are many who have Just started to collect for whatever reason but many I feel have an agenda (in my opinion)

They do.

This will fill you with hope. New guy started with us at work this week. Chatting today about Netflix stuff and shows we both watched etc and he started banging on about his bluray collection. He's only 18. There you go. That's the kidz.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by KRW1

They do.

This will fill you with hope. New guy started with us at work this week. Chatting today about Netflix stuff and shows we both watched etc and he started banging on about his bluray collection. He's only 18. There you go. That's the kidz.

Yes, because what one person does represents the entire market.

That would be like finding an 18-year-old who loves classical music and extrapolating that to the entire market and saying, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz love classical music!" or finding an 18-year-old who only eats in restaurants that have locally sourced and fair-trade organic, gluten-free, low-fat and low-carb food and stating, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz are eating healthy!" Or, to add one more example, finding an 18-year-old who has decided not to have sex until marriage and stating, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz are returning to conservative morals."

If you want to analyze the market, you have to look at the overall numbers, not an anecdote.

I was looking at music industry numbers a few days ago and there's a direct and consistent relationship between one's age and how they consume music. The youngest people stream more than everyone else, slightly older people download tracks more and the oldest people buy physical media more. That should be no surprise, but if I happened to find some 16-year-old who only buys vinyl LPs, that doesn't mean the other data isn't the true picture of the industry.

There are clear trends that are easy to see and like it or not, unless a cultural backlash happens in the future, younger people not only don't care about owning physical media, they don't even care about owning their downloads - streaming is where they're headed. Even the mighty Apple had year-over-year declines in revenue from the iTunes store because of the alternative streaming sites available, which is one of the reasons they wanted Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre via the Beats acquisition - to find a new strategy for selling music and video. It's a bigger trend in music than it is in video, but it's clear to anyone who truly analyzes the market from a business perspective where it's all headed.

That's not to say that Blu-ray is going away, but it's not going to be a mass-market medium - it's going to be for the niche that appreciates quality and will never choose a lesser medium when a better one is available. There's nothing wrong with that (although it might raise prices). If the mass market likes something, it's usually crap anyway.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In my opinion, this seems to be a trend. Maybe it's wrong of me but I'm always suspicious of people who have joined this year despite bluray being around for many years now. I know there are many who have Just started to collect for whatever reason but many I feel have an agenda (in my opinion)

While you might be right in this case, we shouldn't be suspicious of people who have just "found" Blu-ray, but encourage them. The market needs more Blu-ray buyers. Everyone who is still stuck in the DVD world should be encouraged to find the benefits of Blu-ray before they become a streaming addict instead and they're "lost" forever.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yes, because what one person does represents the entire market.

That clearly wasn't directed at you, was it? I only posted it for Steedeel as he has it in his head that all young people do the same thing. I found the one that didn't. I fear I might have ruined the subtlety of it by spelling that out.

Your last paragraph, again, is exactly what I said a few pages back.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yes, because what one person does represents the entire market.

That would be like finding an 18-year-old who loves classical music and extrapolating that to the entire market and saying, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz love classical music!" or finding an 18-year-old who only eats in restaurants that have locally sourced and fair-trade organic, gluten-free, low-fat and low-carb food and stating, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz are eating healthy!" Or, to add one more example, finding an 18-year-old who has decided not to have sex until marriage and stating, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz are returning to conservative morals."

If you want to analyze the market, you have to look at the overall numbers, not an anecdote.

I was looking at music industry numbers a few days ago and there's a direct and consistent relationship between one's age and how they consume music. The youngest people stream more than everyone else, slightly older people download tracks more and the oldest people buy physical media more. That should be no surprise, but if I happened to find some 16-year-old who only buys vinyl LPs, that doesn't mean the other data isn't the true picture of the industry.

There are clear trends that are easy to see and like it or not, unless a cultural backlash happens in the future, younger people not only don't care about owning physical media, they don't even care about owning their downloads - streaming is where they're headed. Even the mighty Apple had year-over-year declines in revenue from the iTunes store because of the alternative streaming sites available, which is one of the reasons they wanted Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre via the Beats acquisition - to find a new strategy for selling music and video. It's a bigger trend in music than it is in video, but it's clear to anyone who truly analyzes the market from a business perspective where it's all headed.

That's not to say that Blu-ray is going away, but it's not going to be a mass-market medium - it's going to be for the niche that appreciates quality and will never choose a lesser medium when a better one is available. There's nothing wrong with that (although it might raise prices). If the mass market likes something, it's usually crap anyway.

Bluray is mass market. Tens of million bluray players in homes would suggest mass market to me.

Oh by the way, bluray is going to have a record breaking year next year.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yes, because what one person does represents the entire market.

That would be like finding an 18-year-old who loves classical music and extrapolating that to the entire market and saying, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz love classical music!" or finding an 18-year-old who only eats in restaurants that have locally sourced and fair-trade organic, gluten-free, low-fat and low-carb food and stating, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz are eating healthy!" Or, to add one more example, finding an 18-year-old who has decided not to have sex until marriage and stating, "this will fill you with hope - the kidz are returning to conservative morals."

If you want to analyze the market, you have to look at the overall numbers, not an anecdote.

I was looking at music industry numbers a few days ago and there's a direct and consistent relationship between one's age and how they consume music. The youngest people stream more than everyone else, slightly older people download tracks more and the oldest people buy physical media more. That should be no surprise, but if I happened to find some 16-year-old who only buys vinyl LPs, that doesn't mean the other data isn't the true picture of the industry.

There are clear trends that are easy to see and like it or not, unless a cultural backlash happens in the future, younger people not only don't care about owning physical media, they don't even care about owning their downloads - streaming is where they're headed. Even the mighty Apple had year-over-year declines in revenue from the iTunes store because of the alternative streaming sites available, which is one of the reasons they wanted Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre via the Beats acquisition - to find a new strategy for selling music and video. It's a bigger trend in music than it is in video, but it's clear to anyone who truly analyzes the market from a business perspective where it's all headed.

That's not to say that Blu-ray is going away, but it's not going to be a mass-market medium - it's going to be for the niche that appreciates quality and will never choose a lesser medium when a better one is available. There's nothing wrong with that (although it might raise prices). If the mass market likes something, it's usually crap anyway.

A watch once scenario would leave a lot of archive material on the table? That sounds bleak. Are you predicting a subscription only model in the future and if so let's have a time span prediction. Downloads to streaming ratio if we are analysing?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yes, because what one person does represents the entire market.

Can you tell me exactly which person represents the entire market?

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Can you tell me exactly which person represents the entire market?

Joe Six-Pack. He's the one that connects his DVD player to his television with a co-axial cable because it's "just as good".


He's out there, and he doesn't care who calls him stupid. He's been hearing that for his entire life, and he's treated that way by the industry.

[Penton-Man]

teh sky is not falling

People, Deci was being sarcastic….BUT there is a Supermoon coming tomorrow - http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...n_of_year.html

Looking forward to any *lunar lunacy* stories in the press.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Joe Six-Pack. He's the one that connects his DVD player to his television with a co-axial cable because it's "just as good".


He's out there, and he doesn't care who calls him stupid. He's been hearing that for his entire life, and he's treated that way by the industry.

that makes no sense

1) I asked "exactly which person " how is J6P a person? He is a fictional character meant to represent the masses

2) the question was "represents the entire market." according to you he only represents the guy that knows he is stupid and does not mind being called that way. How about the stupid people that feel insulted when it is pointed out or the people that are not stupid? or the guy that has his DVD connected with coax to the TV? That is still just a part of the market.

[ouflak]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Bluray is mass market. Tens of million bluray players in homes would suggest mass market to me.

Oh by the way, bluray is going to have a record breaking year next year.

Now *that* is a prediction to bet one's life saving on! But it would seem to go against a rather obvious annual trend at the moment. Still blu-ray might be able to maintain a final vestige of growth next year (I think it will be slightly positive this year), so technically, even if it's only 1% growth, you could be correct.

Just curious, do you think that Blu-ray has a chance to reverse the growth trend?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ouflak

Now *that* is a prediction to bet one's life saving on! But it would seem to go against a rather obvious annual trend at the moment. Still blu-ray might be able to maintain a final vestige of growth next year (I think it will be slightly positive this year), so technically, even if it's only 1% growth, you could be correct.

Just curious, do you think that Blu-ray has a chance to reverse the growth trend?

Have you seen the releases for next year? It's going to be a bumper year. To answer your question, no, I don't think there is going to be a huge reversal but I do think things are going to steady and 2015 will be a good year. I think at least two releases will break records for sales.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

that makes no sense

Having hundreds of Blu-Ray discs doesn't make sense. Sense is not a requirement.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

1) I asked "exactly which person " how is J6P a person? He is a fictional character meant to represent the masses

How about John Doe, then? No point in throwing darts at a page in the phone book. Bean counters don't do it that way.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

2) the question was "represents the entire market." according to you he only represents the guy that knows he is stupid and does not mind being called that way. How about the stupid people that feel insulted when it is pointed out or the people that are not stupid? or the guy that has his DVD connected with coax to the TV? That is still just a part of the market.

If you are looking for the individual that represents the entire market, you are in the same boat as Diogenes. Or Sisyphus. Or that weird guy that swore his polls in the last US presidential election were right, but he picked the loser to win in a landslide...who was that guy...Dick Morris, yeah, him.


There is no "typical person". If you're looking for him, bring a lunch. It's like looking for the prettiest woman in the country, or the dumbest guy in the stands at the game, or the best hamburger in the world. You're looking for something to argue about, that doesn't have an answer.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Bluray is mass market. Tens of million bluray players in homes would suggest mass market to me.

Oh by the way, bluray is going to have a record breaking year next year.

Half the TVs in the US are connected to the internet and streaming media. And that is up from 28% two years ago. That's a mass market, and a great two years.

http://www.webpronews.com/half-of-us...on-tvs-2014-06

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by kimg1453

Convenience!!!! More like lazy than anything else reference to #2. By the way, Physical media is far from dying. Yesterday's article indicated a 10% increase in Blu-ray sales second quarter. Screw streaming/downloads!

You don't get it. Streaming has replaced or at least augmented broadcast TV, satellite and cable. And the quality of the two is compatible. People don't need or want in many cases, to own or wait for a physical copy of every single program they watch, that's ridiculous. That's like making fun of people that get Blu-rays instead of watching every movie at the theater. Streaming for many replaces watching cable TV, pure and simple. You get to watch what you want, when you want and you can watch an entire series or run over a short period of time. And if you like it, buy it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You don't get it. Streaming has replaced or at least augmented broadcast TV, satellite and cable. And the quality of the two is compatible. People don't need or want in many cases, to own or wait for a physical copy of every single program they watch, that's ridiculous. That's like making fun of people that get Blu-rays instead of watching every movie at the theater. Streaming for many replaces watching cable TV, pure and simple. You get to watch what you want, when you want and you can watch an entire series or run over a short period of time. And if you like it, buy it.

It has not replaced those things at all. Nowhere near.

Unless you believe fantasy blogs by trendy 'I'm with it' people. (My opinion)

[krazeyeyez]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It has not replaced those things at all. Nowhere near.

It has for me and most people I know. The lifeline cable has at the moment is sports but its a solid lifeline at the moment. I do love my Netflix and amazon.... its a great addition to my home theatre. However it will never replace my bluray collection at least not anytime soon. But for me not being a sports fan it does offer a higher value at lower cost then cable.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by krazeyeyez

It has for me and most people I know. The lifeline cable has at the moment is sports but its a solid lifeline at the moment. I do love my Netflix and amazon.... its a great addition to my home theatre. However it will never replace my bluray collection at least not anytime soon. But for me not being a sports fan it does offer a higher value at lower cost then cable.

Most people you know? Most people I know love soccer and every last one of them has a cable package. I believe some of them have a Netflix account AND a cable subscription. Will that change? Only when Netflix buys sports rights. By that point, netflix will be as expensive as cable anyway.