Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[disneywildcat]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Most people you know? Most people I know love soccer and every last one of them has a cable package. I believe some of them have a Netflix account AND a cable subscription. Will that change? Only when Netflix buys sports rights. By that point, netflix will be as expensive as cable anyway.

I do wonder how much more will Netflix cost when its deal with Disney fully kicks in and replaces Starz as the US first run pay TV rights holder starting with Disney's films released in 2016 (Captain America 3, etc.)

And Dish is planning to launch a Internet TV service with rights to stream select Disney and A&E channels, including ESPN. However, Disney will only allow one stream per account when it comes to their channels, and Dish is thinking about pricing the Internet TV service at $20-30 a month.

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/dis...ys-1201276765/

[Steedeel]

[QUOTE=disneywildcat;9579466]I do wonder how much more will Netflix cost when its deal with Disney fully kicks in and replaces Starz as the US first run pay TV rights holder starting with Disney's films released in 2016 (Captain America 3, etc.)

And Dish is planning to launch a Internet TV service with rights to stream select Disney and A&E channels, including ESPN. However, Disney will only allow one stream per account when it comes to their channels, and Dish is thinking about pricing the Internet TV service at $20-30 a month.

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/dis...ys-1201276765/[/QUOTE

Yeah, saw that. Isn't it a mobile only service? Sigh.

[disneywildcat]

I don't think Dish's new Internet TV service is mobile only. It doesn't say that anywhere in the article. For the service to work, it will definitely be accessible on TV streaming devices.

[Nick The Slick]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Most people you know? Most people I know love soccer and every last one of them has a cable package. I believe some of them have a Netflix account AND a cable subscription. Will that change? Only when Netflix buys sports rights. By that point, netflix will be as expensive as cable anyway.

This is basically what he said.... If you are NOT a sports fan then there's really no need to have cable because you can get all the other content through Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/whatever etc. etc. You basically supported his point by pointing out that your friends that love Soccer (i.e. a sport) have cable. For people who don't like sports at all, they can pretty much replace cable with streaming services. When the whole "cutting the cord" frenzy started I knew a lot of people that dumped cable for streaming. The ones who liked sports were pretty quick to switch back when they found they couldn't get their fix, others got cable back for sports but kept some of the streaming services, then the ones who didn't care about sports at all are still going strong without cable.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Having hundreds of Blu-Ray discs doesn't make sense.

Obviously it does. For some it is about sitting on their a$$ while for others it is about enjoying a film

How about John Doe, then? No point in throwing darts at a page in the phone book. Bean counters don't do it that way.

I asked for a specific person because that was the discussion. KRW1 talked about a specific person that Zoet decided to dismiss just because Zoet is not happy with the reality that he is full of BS.

If you are looking for the individual that represents the entire market, you are in the same boat as Diogenes. Or Sisyphus. Or that weird guy that swore his polls in the last US presidential election were right, but he picked the loser to win in a landslide...who was that guy...Dick Morris, yeah, him.

There is no "typical person". If you're looking for him, bring a lunch. It's like looking for the prettiest woman in the country, or the dumbest guy in the stands at the game, or the best hamburger in the world. ...that doesn't have an answer.

that was the point, it is not my fault you decided to take up the task and answer the question.

You're looking for something to argue about,

no, that would be you since you decided to give a BS answer to a question that has no answer. I asked the question to highlight how dumb Zoet response was to KRW1.

If someone says "all young people are......" then one that is not ...... is important because it proves the original statement wrong. But he tried to dismiss it with a reply that that person does not represent the whole market. But J6P or JD don't represent the whole market either.

And if you want to know if Ferrari and Lamborghini will do well in the future, would you look at what J6p buys or the guy that is interested in exotic cars?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Half the TVs in the US are connected to the internet and streaming media. And that is up from 28% two years ago. That's a mass market, and a great two years.

http://www.webpronews.com/half-of-us...on-tvs-2014-06

why not highlight the reality

24% of adults, according to a survey from the firm, watch video on the Internet via a connected TV at least weekly

don't you think that it is telling that even though most can a lot more choose not to do it?

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Can you tell me exactly which person represents the entire market?

I was being sarcastic. No wonder you don't understand my posts.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by disneywildcat

I don't think Dish's new Internet TV service is mobile only. It doesn't say that anywhere in the article. For the service to work, it will definitely be accessible on TV streaming devices.

That is the target audience isn't it? Teenagers who watch on smartphones and tablets. I'm sure I read that (maybe saw it in in different article)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Nick The Slick

This is basically what he said.... If you are NOT a sports fan then there's really no need to have cable because you can get all the other content through Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/whatever etc. etc. You basically supported his point by pointing out that your friends that love Soccer (i.e. a sport) have cable. For people who don't like sports at all, they can pretty much replace cable with streaming services. When the whole "cutting the cord" frenzy started I knew a lot of people that dumped cable for streaming. The ones who liked sports were pretty quick to switch back when they found they couldn't get their fix, others got cable back for sports but kept some of the streaming services, then the ones who didn't care about sports at all are still going strong without cable.

Yes, but there are massive amounts of people who love sports. It is like saying many people could become vegetarian but they love their Sunday roast.
The reality, IMO, is that only a small amount of people are cord cutting entirely, regardless of what you might read. Cable/satellite is going nowhere.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Most people you know? Most people I know love soccer and every last one of them has a cable package. I believe some of them have a Netflix account AND a cable subscription. Will that change? Only when Netflix buys sports rights. By that point, netflix will be as expensive as cable anyway.

I put my satellite on pause except during football season. Plus I have access to ESPN3 through my cable provider and can watch games OTA on all the major networks. Feb-Aug, I put my satellte on Pause, you can do it for up to 9 months a year with Dish, its $5 a month. During this time we stream around 700-800GB along with watching OTA. Unlimited business account, available from many ISPs, most are unaware you don't need a business to get it.

I know others that get around it by using friends or neighbors passwords and stream sports or go to the local bar OR GO THE GAME.

And NetFlix is under $10, its less than getting HBO and most other add on premium channels. Your predictions on NetFlix's price increase is laughable.

Just because I say it, you don't need to jump on my back. I mean do you even know there is a growing large group that aren't cord cutters, but never even bought pay TV, 'cord nevers'?

Learn something. Its from that biased blog Bloomberg News.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...or-pay-tv.html

[slick1ru2]

The cheap internet only package coming end of summer, includes sports, ESPN. They saw the light. $20-30.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...v-service.html

For about $30 you can get NFL Rewind for your favorite team and watch every game after its played. Spend double that and get every game for all teams, iPad special coache's angles, telepromter, archive of the best Super Bowls and all the seasons of Best 100 Players of 201X. Or spend $1.99 a month and get NFL Now premium with live updates during games and all kinds of content. ESPN has most college games and MNF and many ISPs include ESPN3 which includes all the ESPN Game Plan games, worth $120/season for FREE.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

why not highlight the reality


don't you think that it is telling that even though most can a lot more choose not to do it?

76% of owners have a life and don't sit on the couch watching movies about it.

Oh and, its not stagnant or retreating:

... in 2015, the majority of US internet users will access the internet through such a device. The connected TV audience will post double-digit growth rates through 2017. - See more at: http://www.emarketer.com/Article/Maj....lqvkiRJN.dpuf

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-n...by-2018-2014-3

There will be more than 759 million televisions connected to the Internet worldwide by 2018, more than double 2013's number, according to Digital TV Research.

Three factors explain growth in the connected TV market: almost ubiquitous access to fast home Internet broadband across developed economies, the proliferation of extremely popular over-the-top (OTT) video streaming services like Netflix, and rapidly falling hardware prices.

[slick1ru2]

http://variety.com/2014/digital/news...ds-1201207708/

Box office and digital revenue will climb steadily over the next five years, but rentals and sales of DVDs and other discs will fall sharply, according to a report released Wednesday by PwC.

In a sign that the future will be streamed and downloaded, the study projects that electronic home video revenue will exceed that of physical home video in 2016. Meanwhile DVDs are looking increasingly imperiled, with PwC estimating that physical home entertainment revenue will fall more than 28% from $12.2 billion last year to $8.7 billion in 2018.

By 2018, electronic home video, which includes subscription video-on-demand services and cable on-demand offerings, will be the main contributor to total filmed entertainment revenue, overtaking the box office by 2017, the study finds. In five years, revenues for the sector will double from $8.5 billion in 2014 to $17 billion by 2018...

[mredman]

Slick- This should be an easy question for you. What the hell are you doing on a blu ray forum if you are the official cheerleader for streaming ?

Nobody want your biased ramblings on streaming/downloading here.

Also funny in your ramblings you neglect that Blu Ray sales is up 10% from last year

Also funny is that variety article is as biased as you are to streaming and its also an "old" article you have posted before or some other posted it. The even funnier part is that ALL the comments on that article ALL support physical media like Blu Ray and say its not going anywhere just like paper, CD's and other things. There is so much uncertainty with streaming/downloadning

So why dont you take your cheerleading for streaming/downloadning to a board more suitable because we are all tired of your ramblings here.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I put my satellite on pause except during football season. Plus I have access to ESPN3 through my cable provider and can watch games OTA on all the major networks. Feb-Aug, I put my satellte on Pause, you can do it for up to 9 months a year with Dish, its $5 a month. During this time we stream around 700-800GB along with watching OTA. Unlimited business account, available from many ISPs, most are unaware you don't need a business to get it.

I know others that get around it by using friends or neighbors passwords and stream sports or go to the local bar OR GO THE GAME.

And NetFlix is under $10, its less than getting HBO and most other add on premium channels. Your predictions on NetFlix's price increase is laughable.

Just because I say it, you don't need to jump on my back. I mean do you even know there is a growing large group that aren't cord cutters, but never even bought pay TV, 'cord nevers'?

Learn something. Its from that biased blog Bloomberg News.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...or-pay-tv.html

Cord nevers are the people that will destroy home entertainment so you should fear them if you value a good entertainment experience.

As for the sport, all the options you mentioned are tied in to cable. By the way, I DO ATTEND LIVE GAMES as I have a season ticket. However, with my sports package, I get to see all of my teams away games as well (extended highlights, same day) which is great. I also get all the best clashes from the weekends fixtures over several live games that weekend. Cable/sat rule the school in the UK and that won't change for the next decade. If netflix have bigger ambitions they need to buy sporting and film rights and that will not come cheap. That was the point I was making. Do you seriously think they will be able to offer that for ten dollars?

Finally, I think the entire forum knows you have a business account, as you mention it every couple of months in my opinion.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by mredman

Slick- This should be an easy question for you. What the hell are you doing on a blu ray forum if you are the official cheerleader for streaming ?

Nobody want your biased ramblings on streaming/downloading here.

Also funny in your ramblings you neglect that Blu Ray sales is up 10% from last year

Also funny is that variety article is as biased as you are to streaming and its also an "old" article you have posted before or some other posted it. The even funnier part is that ALL the comments on that article ALL support physical media like Blu Ray and say its not going anywhere just like paper, CD's and other things. There is so much uncertainty with streaming/downloadning

So why dont you take your cheerleading for streaming/downloadning to a board more suitable because we are all tired of your ramblings here.

No, we're not. You should run a poll if you're going to speak for everyone in this forum.


I don't agree with Stedeel all the time, but I enjoy his posts. They're well written and interesting, and even though he's not part of any cheerleading squad, I welcome his input.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

No, we're not. You should run a poll if you're going to speak for everyone in this forum.


I don't agree with Stedeel all the time, but I enjoy his posts. They're well written and interesting, and even though he's not part of any cheerleading squad, I welcome his input.

Wrong guy Bludog! he (mredman) is referring to Slick not me I understand, but thanks for your support regardless!

To be fair, I am a bluray cheerleader but I do look very good with Pom-poms!

Thanks for having my back.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by mredman

Slick- This should be an easy question for you. What the hell are you doing on a blu ray forum if you are the official cheerleader for streaming ?

Nobody want your biased ramblings on streaming/downloading here.

Also funny in your ramblings you neglect that Blu Ray sales is up 10% from last year

Also funny is that variety article is as biased as you are to streaming and its also an "old" article you have posted before or some other posted it. The even funnier part is that ALL the comments on that article ALL support physical media like Blu Ray and say its not going anywhere just like paper, CD's and other things. There is so much uncertainty with streaming/downloadning

So why dont you take your cheerleading for streaming/downloadning to a board more suitable because we are all tired of your ramblings here.

I buy Blu-rays and stream. Shocking as it may seem. I own 5 BD players now, 7 total. But it appears that Blu-ray is heading for a small niche market. You all act like a kid being told the truth about Santa and sitting there with their fingers in their ears going, "I'm not listening". I'm just trying to prepare you for it. And I don't know where you get your data, but this contradicts it, at least in the U.S.. And comments aren't sales data.

http://www.worldscreen.com/articles/...rtainmentgroup

For the first 6 months of 2014

consumer spending on Blu-ray and DVD purchases in the first six months was down 8.2 percent

I think a lot of it, coming out of the world wide recession is people don't feel they need to own every movie they like, they'd rather have access to 10's of thousands of movies and TV shows for the price of one or two movies and treat it as a replacement for broadcast/cable/satellite.

I bought over 100 Blu-rays last year. This year my wife was laid off and I've bought 3. But we kept NetFlix and Hulu and put Dish on pause and liked it so much, we are going to do it every year outside football season. And we had Blu-rays to watch. That's life. Consumer spending habits change.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Cord nevers are the people that will destroy home entertainment so you should fear them if you value a good entertainment experience.

As for the sport, all the options you mentioned are tied in to cable. By the way, I DO ATTEND LIVE GAMES as I have a season ticket. However, with my sports package, I get to see all of my teams away games as well (extended highlights, same day) which is great. I also get all the best clashes from the weekends fixtures over several live games that weekend. Cable/sat rule the school in the UK and that won't change for the next decade. If netflix have bigger ambitions they need to buy sporting and film rights and that will not come cheap. That was the point I was making. Do you seriously think they will be able to offer that for ten dollars?

Finally, I think the entire forum knows you have a business account, as you mention it every couple of months in my opinion.

Free Over The Air games are not tied to cable. And they have them all the time. Even the Thursday Night Football game that was on the NFL Network, half are now on CBS. Free, OTA, CBS.

Did you miss that the total package Dish is going to have for $20-$30 includes ESPN? So not $10, but not much more.

I keep mentioning my business no cap internet account because when I don't someone, like you, chimes in about data caps.

And why are you worried about Sports on a Blu-ray forum anyway????

[mredman]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I buy Blu-rays and stream. Shocking as it may seem. I own 5 BD players now, 7 total. But it appears that Blu-ray is heading for a small niche market. You all act like a kid being told the truth about Santa and sitting there with their fingers in their ears going, "I'm not listening". I'm just trying to prepare you for it. And I don't know where you get your data, but this contradicts it, at least in the U.S.. And comments aren't sales data.

Its very shocking to hear with all the cheerleading you do for digital on a blu ray site. I got my data here from this site. Are you saying the source they got that Intel from are lying. Maybe its your sites that are lying as i can see they all come from sites that cheerleads for digital. And you say comments are not sales. Of course they are. The comments are from people that BUY and PURCHASE products so to see all the comments cheerleading for physical media and blu ray is money in that bag NOT digital.

Anyway here is the article:

DEG: BLU RAY SALES UP 10% in second quarter

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=14664

According to a new report published by the Digital Entertainment Group (DEG), a Los Angeles-based, industry funded nonprofit corporation that advocates and promotes the many consumer benefits associated with various entertainment products, Blu-ray disc sales rose 10% during the second quarter of 2014.

During the same period, total consumer spending also increased 2% over the same period in 2013. Total consumer spending for 2014 grew to $4.03 billion, up more than $80 million compared to the same quarter in 2013.

During the first six months of 2014, consumer spending on discs (DVD and Blu-ray) was down 8.2% ($3.26 billion from $3.56 billion). But according to market observers the drop in consumer spending is due to the lower prices of discs. Research conducted by Home Media Magazine also found that the total number of discs sold during the period was actually up more than 2%.

And are you really calling billions of dollars 'small niche' i mean really. By the way these statistics is ONLY for US by the way. Imagine the billions more in all other countries across the Globe. Digital is the 'small niche' with right now not even cracking a billion in the US.