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Old 10-10-2014, 03:55 PM   #7081
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Overall DVD continues to outsell Blu-ray by a 4 to 1 margin.
WOW. Damn, that's a sad figure.
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Old 10-10-2014, 03:57 PM   #7082
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No it isn't dying.
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:00 PM   #7083
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Amazon is planning on entering the UV digital cloud for movies. Streaming or downloading is obviously more practical than physical media since you could have literally every movie ever made at your fingertips but the bandwidth problem is horrible
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:02 PM   #7084
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No it isn't dying.
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:05 PM   #7085
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I'm still surprised how many movies I have on DVD are still not available on blu ray. 200? 300? More.
I'm glad I still see many of the DVDs I still watch as great quality. I'm still wowed by PQ of DVD cause I'm VHS generation, long before having 50" plasma TV and HD, up scaling DVD/Blu players etc.

A lot I can understand if the cost to produce a blu ray and then press 10k is expensive.
I watched Bodysnachers this afternoon with Gabriel Anwar. I like it, but I don't believe it's very popular. I get why maybe this isn't on blu. How many would pay $20 to have it? if they have it on DVD or could buy the DVD for say $5 or less. Now that I've just watched it (again) I wouldn't rush to buy it either, if it were announced for November, maybe a year down the line for less then $10.
There are plenty of names and faces in this, a cult director, but I'd still think it'll be tough to market a 1993 average movie.
It's great there are niche companies like Arrow/Scream/88 or there would be loads of cult 80s/90s sci-fi or horror that wouldn't be out on blu.

But on the other hand, I can't understand why the Jaws sequels aren't out or a Phantasm box set cause I'm sure they're sell well. Because of these and others I don't think the format is dead....there's still plenty to come. I don't think blu ray is dead.
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:06 PM   #7086
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Amazon is planning on entering the UV digital cloud for movies. Streaming or downloading is obviously more practical than physical media since you could have literally every movie ever made at your fingertips but the bandwidth problem is horrible
Amazon has had Instant Video for years, what do you mean they are planning on entering the UV digital cloud for movies?
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:10 PM   #7087
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Because Blu-ray looks better than DVD an older film needs work before it can be released on Blu-ray - otherwise it will look pretty bad. If a DCP has been made of an older film it usually is released on Blu-ray - but it takes time for a DCP to be made which is why the output has been so slow.

B&M stores have reduced their stock on Blu-rays (Barnes and Noble has the best stock) Best Buy has gone down hill and may soon close a large amount of stores or go out of business completely. The Studios are trying to convince people that discs are dead so they will download - but this hasn't worked.

Amazon is doing very well - but has little competition.
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:18 PM   #7088
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It's not a good sign when studios cannot be bothered to start a TV series from the beginning (The Office, 24), or finish them, and instead complete them on DVD (Modern Family).
Why are you pointing out the shows that are partially on Blu-ray as a problem rather than the shows that aren't on Blu-ray at all?
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:21 PM   #7089
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Amazon has had Instant Video for years, what do you mean they are planning on entering the UV digital cloud for movies?
Amazon doesn't use the UltraViolet Common File Format. I just read this article this morning...

Amazon in Talks to Join Digital Locker for Movies
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:23 PM   #7090
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Amazon doesn't use the UltraViolet Common File Format. I just read this article this morning...

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Old 10-10-2014, 04:33 PM   #7091
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You have to be a subscriber to read the article.
Sorry, man, it let me read it a few times Here's another...

Amazon may finally put its weight behind UltraViolet digital movies
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:39 PM   #7092
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Why are you pointing out the shows that are partially on Blu-ray as a problem rather than the shows that aren't on Blu-ray at all?
Because I believe the original poster believes it is not a good sign for shows to be partially on blu and stop future seasons from being released. Granted it is just FOX with Modern Family, Sunny Philadelphia, White Collar, etc... But it shows FOX doesn't care about releasing shows on blu-ray and they give up on them due to cost or whatever. It is a negative message/sign FOX is doing for the format.
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:49 PM   #7093
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I don't believe blu-ray is dying. Sales are up on a whole like 10% vs last year or something close to that from what I've read. Sony should be out marketing it these days now that almost everyone has an HDTV.
Nope. In the U.S., through 9/27, revenue is down 1.89% and unit sales are up just 1.2%. BD has a 30.7% revenue share and a 21% unit share of the physical media market. Which means that 79% of the physical units sold are still DVDs (which itself are in severe decline).

I've said for the last several years that if BD doesn't show better growth, studios would cut back on releases, restorations, bonus features, deluxe packaging, etc. And that's exactly what's happening.

It doesn't mean they're going to stop making BDs. But they are going to focus on areas of growth. Unfortunately, the job of every CEO today in every public company is to increase "shareholder value". They can only do that via growth. If BD can't do that, they'll invest elsewhere.

Unfortunately, we live in an era of so many media choices and distribution methods and there are so many titles being released that few movies today seem "important". Because of that, everything (and this is true for music and books as well) seems disposable. When everything seems disposable, there's no psychological impetus to own it. And those factors, combined with a world of smartphones and pads have caused younger people to not feel the need to own media.

The main thing holding back streaming from becoming even more popular is bandwidth restrictions on portable devices, since the major carriers' monthly data fees in the U.S. have become quite expensive with severe penalties for going over and the fact that most cable companies can't consistently offer enough bandwidth. I almost always have a problem watching a movie on VUDU - it always tests fine and starts off fine, but a half hour into the film it starts having caching problems. I might be paranoid, but I think my ISP is detecting my large data use and throttling the speed.

One of the nice things about 4K is that it's going to make this situation even worse and therefore force consumers to continue to use physical media, which could be the saving grace for BD. Some better movies wouldn't hurt either.

One of the things that's happened in the BD market is similar to what happened in the CD market. From 1984 to 2000, consumers replaced their cassette and vinyl collections with CDs and the growth in the music market was tremendous. But once consumers finished with catalog titles and the music industry had to rely mostly upon sales of new music, the market declined. And once downloading (both legal and illegal) came along, that finished the music market off and if you include inflation, the U.S. music market is now around 30% of its peak.

I think the same thing has happened in the BD market. The collectors have bought all the classics that they want and there aren't enough "must have" new films to provide substantial growth in the market. And VOD, streaming services and downloading are having an effect. And so, we have substantial declines in DVD (down 47% in dollars since 2009) and BD revenues only replacing half of that.

In the music market, there's a revival of vinyl. It's still very niche in spite of the hype - it's only about 4% of the total music market, but its cultural impact is far greater than its sales. (And the sales don't reflect the huge used vinyl market). What I'm hoping is that the rise of vinyl changes the culture back to a collecting culture where physical media dominates which would, in turn, have a positive effect on BD sales.
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:54 PM   #7094
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Best Buy has gone down hill and may soon close a large amount of stores or go out of business completely.
On what do you base this statement? Best Buy is doing quite well financially.
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Old 10-10-2014, 05:15 PM   #7095
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Because I believe the original poster believes it is not a good sign for shows to be partially on blu and stop future seasons from being released. Granted it is just FOX with Modern Family, Sunny Philadelphia, White Collar, etc... But it shows FOX doesn't care about releasing shows on blu-ray and they give up on them due to cost or whatever. It is a negative message/sign FOX is doing for the format.

I think not releasing a show in the first place shows more lack of confidence in the format. Giving up on future releases of a specific show is a decision made with the reasoning that the specific show didn't sell well on Blu-ray (rather than Blu-ray in general not selling well).

FOX hasn't stopped with new Blu-ray releases (The Bridge, Fargo, Sleepy Hollow, The Strain, The Americans, and Legit all started this year), they've just stopped releasing new Blu-ray sets for shows that weren't selling well on Blu-ray.

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Old 10-10-2014, 05:24 PM   #7096
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On what do you base this statement? Best Buy is doing quite well financially.
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Old 10-10-2014, 05:52 PM   #7097
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I think not releasing a show in the first place shows more lack of confidence in the format. Giving up on future releases of a specific show is a decision made with the reasoning that the specific show didn't sell well on Blu-ray (rather than Blu-ray in general not selling well).

FOX hasn't stopped with new Blu-ray releases (The Bridge, Fargo, Sleepy Hollow, The Strain, The Americans, and Legit all started this year), they've just stopped releasing new Blu-ray sets for shows that weren't selling well on Blu-ray.
To each his own. All those releases of this year you mentioned are season one releases. Let's see if they continue to release them.
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Old 10-10-2014, 05:57 PM   #7098
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To each his own. All those releases of this year you mentioned are season one releases. Let's see if they continue to release them.
That's my point. They haven't given up on Blu-ray in general, they've just stopped releasing shows that didn't sell well on Blu-ray.
I intentionally only mentioned season one shows. FOX has also released the following shows on Blu-ray this year:

24
American Horror Story
Archer
Homeland
The Simpsons
Sons of Anarchy

When a studio decides whether or not to continue releasing a show on Blu-ray they have the sales data from the previous seasons to go on. When a studio decides whether or not to release a new show on Blu-ray all they have is the general market trend of whether or not Blu-ray sells well. The fact that FOX continues to release new shows on Blu-ray should make it clear that they still have confidence in the format.

I'd hardly fault FOX for taking risks on types of shows that most studios wouldn't put on Blu-ray (sitcoms and procedural shows) and then stopping when it didn't pay off.

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Old 10-10-2014, 06:47 PM   #7099
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Yes, Best Buy had a bad quarter. However, that is just one quarter. Consider this: Best Buy had sales of over $41 Billion in the most recent 12 months (through their latest reported quarter), income of $959 Million, book value over $3.7 billion, cash over $2 billion. Also, they pay a $0.76 per share dividend ($0.19 quarterly). This hardly sounds like a company that will "go out of business completely" as Musicguy stated.
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Old 10-10-2014, 10:33 PM   #7100
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One of the things that's happened in the BD market is similar to what happened in the CD market. From 1984 to 2000, consumers replaced their cassette and vinyl collections with CDs and the growth in the music market was tremendous. But once consumers finished with catalog titles and the music industry had to rely mostly upon sales of new music, the market declined. And once downloading (both legal and illegal) came along, that finished the music market off and if you include inflation, the U.S. music market is now around 30% of its peak.

I think the same thing has happened in the BD market. The collectors have bought all the classics that they want and there aren't enough "must have" new films to provide substantial growth in the market. And VOD, streaming services and downloading are having an effect. And so, we have substantial declines in DVD (down 47% in dollars since 2009) and BD revenues only replacing half of that.
The catalog portion of revenue from Blu-ray has always been modest (perhaps 20 percent or so at most) compared to new and recent release sales, so the fact that most of the more popular catalogs have already been released will have relatively little effect on overall sales revenue. Any decline in the format will inevitably be mainly due to new release.

There is a lot of catalog out there and people tend to place too much emphasis on its importance to the health of the format, but Blu-ray is and has always been primarily a new release format, sales-wise. That's why you see such huge fluctuations in the weekly revenue.

DVD on the other hand stays strong primarily on the sheer volume of its output (around 10000 releases per year according to the DVD Release report), and is less dependent on new release sales.
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