Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[ussrelativity]

This really is pathetic now.

The HD DVD Promotional group is trying to ride on people's lack of HD knowledge. In the long run, it will be bad for their side, and hasten the end of physical media.

[elwaylite]

It doesnt make a difference. For people like myself that were waiting to pick an A3 up later on are going to buy. I for darn sure am going to buy this tomorrow if I can get one.

For $98, I could care less that it doesnt do 1080p and that only 25% of the movies I want are on it.

SOLD.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by thrlride

I haven't heard of the losses, can you post links to substantiate the claims?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5154

read the Insiders Thread. You will learn a lot of good stuff.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by radagast

Wait until the people who buy these things find out how many studios DON'T make dud discs for them.

Therein lies the rub.

Your typical Wal Mart shopper that decides to take a plunge on one of these (and how many of htese do you really think will?)...how many of these folks can you see coming right back to that store in anger because "the player doesn't work right" or God knows what else after they've bought say, several HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays without knowing the difference?

It's going to be interesting to watch.

[E-Dogg]

Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

Why do people keep starting these threads??? The player is a piece of junk, it's only 1080i!!!!!

EXACTLY!!!!

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

b/c they wern't selling at $198

Seriously, why would wal-mart loss a hundred dollars on each player they sold if they could sell them at 198. They wouldn't. I think its pretty obvious the players werrn't selling well at 198, so corporate said, we gotta move them, mark them down to 98! This is giong to kill HD DVD, because utimitaly the people who pick these things up are simply going to use them as a dvd player, they won't buy any hd dvds, they'll simply watch dvds. after all toshiba has gone out and bragged to consumers numerous times about how "it makes your dvds look better too!" i think most consumers get confused and don't even realize thers hd discs out there.

The same could be said for the ps3. "they are simply going to use them as a game player and not buy any blu-rays"

I don't know why they are selling them at $98, from the many posts I've read here they were having no trouble selling them at $199. Maybe Toshiba struck a deal with them and were hoping they could get the players in the home, just like the people buying a PS3 did.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by scook

Just commenting on how this Player cannot reach the Hi Defs industry standard 1080P and that the HD Discs that are being purchased will not be used to their full advantage. Making this and inferior player.

A Pefect Slogan:

HD Dud - "Low Cost, Low Quality"

Of course its an inferior player!!! God, will you people get a clue, the HD-DVD camp has a strategy that they are employing, its called, "Dump my cheap crap on the market and have hundreds of thousands of uneducated suckers buy them all up, then go to the studios and point out that HD-DVD is truely NOT dead and that HD-DVD has a viable market for their product" We already know from watching Paramount that these studios will go to where the market/$ are. I see no such strategy or even a counter strategy from the BDA, because they have none, just keeping your overpriced player prices overpriced, isn't much of a strategy.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by bdrex28

Wow, if I only had no strategy and it still led me to leading in sales and offerings.

At this rate, not for long.

[Zazou]

Originally Posted by BigB88

Another paniked BD forum user chimes in. Don't you realize if the BDA had a strategy to counteract this garbage, you wouldn't have these threds being opened? The problem is you and the BDA have no clue and no strategy.. That's the real issue here.

I don't think so. Many people see the actions of HD-DVD as a final throw of the dice. BDA are confident in their product and in their supporters and don't see the need for panic measures to counteract what they probably see as desperate measures by their opponents.

Of course nothing is guaranteed, so let's hope their confidence is justified.

Lee

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by ArkGuy

Y'all keep chanting your mantra of "HD-DVD movies cost $30" but if you check out Wal-Mart's web site, you see lots of popular single titles and trilogy's priced for about $20 per disk.

Early adopters may shape the layout of the format war but which format is perceived to win over the masses will decide the format war.

Getting several of the 1.0 BD players down into the $300's before Christmas to entice new purchasers is very important in my opinion. You can't buy a movie, regardless of price, until you buy a player.

Anyone will tell you the key is New Release prices. Above anythign you have to have the New Releases (which HD side doesn't have the big hitters anymore now that Transformers is over with).

On my end retail has always been 80/20 split with New Releases and Catalog.

New Releases are the most important part of the sell thru business and it's something that will NOT be priced $20 per disk. I can't wait to see Spiderman sales and then Ratatouille. The week of Pirates and Superbad are going to give HD a big black eye....everyone buying these cheap HD players are going to suddenly realize they can't buy highdef disks for their player. Of course that's assuming these price concious people are not just buying DVD's anyways. If they love deals where they save money wait till they see things like Bourne 3 for $30 on HD DVD and $15 on DVD lol.

I could be wrong but my guess is you won't see anything change with the numbers. In fact the price reduction of PS3 this week will have a much bigger impact on BR sales than $200 or $100 players for HD.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by sj001

??? Say what ???
I think I was just making a suggestion, I would hardly say that I am panicked. I think the BDA has plenty of strategy, the only strategy HD-DVD has is FUD, and firesales, but has that helped their software numbers? Nope.
I have no strategy, where the hell does that come from?

Fine, tell us all what the BDA strategy is, I would really like to know.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by thrlride

The same could be said for the ps3. "they are simply going to use them as a game player and not buy any blu-rays"

I don't know why they are selling them at $98, from the many posts I've read here they were having no trouble selling them at $199. Maybe Toshiba struck a deal with them and were hoping they could get the players in the home, just like the people buying a PS3 did.

I remember when Nintendo dropped the price of the Virtual Game Boy from $250.00 to $50.00. IIRC it dropped even further. The reason? They WEREN'T SELLING. AND Nintendo stopped making them.

[akristler]

Eliway I thought you were tru-blue, that is a stupid move to purchase this piece of jumk. I work at walmart and I get a discount and even I would not purchase this piece of crap. Blu is the only way to fly, just be patient and quit jumping at the dead meat falling from Toshiba.

[SNAP]

The average consumer only cares about $98.00.

Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

Why do people keep starting these threads??? The player is a piece of junk, it's only 1080i!!!!!

[Terjyn]

This is the same strategy they have employed all year.

It hasn't worked, and it isn't going to start now.

Why should the BDA respond to desperation? Give them a *real* threat, and maybe they'll bother to respond. (Transformers) Give them a firesale? They will laugh there ass off all the way to the bank as Toshiba loses even more money.

The firesale is a good thing for Blu, it makes Toshiba that much closer to spending all the spare cash they have and thus being forced to give up.

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by catterwall

you doubt the PS3 as a gaming machine!? Blasphemy...

It's a gaming machine but Sony definetly gave up their market share to trojan horse the BR technlogy with PS3.

In a time with the X360 being the biggest POS hardware EVER but still outsells PS3 regardless tells you exactly how much Sony has sacraficed. They can still pull off a win but it will not be dominate like it was with PS2.

[iceperson]

Originally Posted by bdrex28

So you'd pick up a couple of $98 players which of course wont play ANY of your 40ish blu-rays? Which of course means you'd be extremely limited.

I'm sorry but absolutely none of your logic makes sense at all.

For a couple of $98 players you can get a new ps3 or a lower cost player (check the sonystyle.com site for their refurbs) and play all your already owned movies.

It seems your not doing the math.

Here's an example: 2 x $98 for extra rooms. NO MOVIES , so you purchase say 5 movies to use on these two players. 5 x $24 = $120. So you're now up to basically $320 , you only have 5 movies and you are basicall stuck with two libraries that only play in certain rooms of your house.

Or you could just get one new blu-ray and play all your already owned movies.

Hmmmm..

For $197 I get 2 players and 10 movies (just have 5 free shipped to my office.) I already own about 14 or so HD-DVD titles, so that brings me up to 24. Even if I only bought HD-DVD dual formats released from now on I'd have a pretty substantial number after the holidays (blade runner, HP boxset, etc...) I'm not too concerned about which format loses the "war" because by the time the war is over I think dual format players will be about as common as DVD-R/DVD+R is now (It's a gamble I know, but I'm willing to risk it.)

Lastly, were you really in the Corps, or do you just use my EGA as your avatar because you think it looks cool?

[thrlride]

Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

Why do people keep starting these threads??? The player is a piece of junk, it's only 1080i!!!!!

1080i does not equal junk.
quality determines junk.

[BigB88]

Originally Posted by JTK

I wonder how many of these panic/doom and gloom threads we're going to see on through the weekend?

Who wants to bet the over or under on that?

The only reality that matters is this: People can buy the cheapest POS all the want but then they're going to be looking for movies to feed it.

They'll be looking at Spideys, Pirates, Pixar, Disney, Die Hards...and therein lies the rub.

I wonder how many of these "denial" posts we will be seeing throughout the weekend. Seems to me we are always going to have the people who just don't know how business or consumer purchasing patterns work around here. Go ahead cut the throats of Blu-ray and stay in denial. You deserve everything you get.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by sj001

I really think to cut down on all this FUD that posters under 20, or maybe even 100 posts cannot start new threads. That way there isn't a "Walmart is selling $98 pieces o' garbage, Blu-ray is dead" threads every time I refresh the site.

I think that I agree with this ^^

people are signing up just to pretty much post an advertisement about this...